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England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by LondonTiger on Thu 02 Nov 2017, 12:24 pm

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Date: Saturday 11th November
Time: 15:00 GMT
Location: Twickenham Stadium, Twickenham, Surrey
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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:23 am

Ben is probably rated more highly since he was called up first. Injured though.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Poorfour on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:30 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:Ben is probably rated more highly since he was called up first. Injured though.

IIRC, Tom was due to get the first call-up over the summer, but got injured and seems to have dropped off the radar.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 10:47 am

Other way round I think poorfour.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by cascough on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 11:18 am

Yeah they'd only ever been in squads together, Ben was named to play the Barbarians, got injured, Tom Stepped in, never looked back.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Poorfour on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 11:51 am

These twins. They all look the same to me.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 12:20 pm

Laugh totally...im lost now! Erm

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Poorfour on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 1:57 pm

I've been seeing clips of the third Curry brother, Arthur, when I go to the cinema with my kids. He looks pretty handy, but I think he might not have been born in England.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by propdavid_london on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:11 pm

Did I read somewhere that Curry was injured and Simmonds has been called up to the bench?

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by propdavid_london on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:12 pm

Just seen it on BBC - at least we wont be requiring Robshaw to cover no.8 then.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by MichaelT on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:16 pm

Poorfour wrote:I've been seeing clips of the third Curry brother, Arthur, when I go to the cinema with my kids. He looks pretty handy, but I think he might not have been born in England.

Handy in wet weather though I imagine. Would have thought he was more of a league fan though.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by englishborn on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 4:48 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Ah bad news about Curry! I guess his brother isn't rated quite as highly?

At least we'll get to see how Simmonds looks at this level!

I agree I think Lawes should have been rested as well. Lock is the one position that we really can afford to rest players.

Think other Curry is injured himself currently.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by lostinwales on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 4:57 pm

Must be funny when one curry replaces the other - as in 'That guy must have some engine, he's playing like he's only just got on the pitch'

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Poorfour on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 6:03 pm

lostinwales wrote:Must be funny when one curry replaces the other - as in 'That guy must have some engine, he's playing like he's only just got on the pitch'

We've been used to it for a while at Quins with the Robshaw twins...

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by kingelderfield on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 11:43 am

pre match press - the dylan and eddie show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EMx2gJeud4

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by George Carlin on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 12:58 pm

I predict a horsing as the Pumas were more disjointed than usual during the last Rugby Championship. Hope to see some of the young English bucks step up.
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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm

Well Underhill is doing a Haskell from the Australia tour..ie hitting everything that moves ...HARD.

Lawes stripped by Hernandez the fly half . .he won't be happy with that.

Not much else of a game so far.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:28 pm

Oh and Ford ticked off by the ref for taking his time at the kicks .

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:31 pm

Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:33 pm

Get in....Hughes scores.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Scottrf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:33 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh
Agreed and I don't see the logic to yellow? If it's a card it's red surely.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:34 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

I think he's lucky it's not red, he pulled brown downwards by the arm which turned him to land the way he did

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Mr Fishpaste on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:35 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Indeed:
"Not in a realistic position to get the ball"...except that he had his hands on the ball at the same time as Brown

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:35 pm

He challenged for it Scottf. It shouldn't have been a yellow. But your right...if they go by the book should have been a red.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:35 pm

Let's see what Watson can do at 15 then

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:36 pm

So Watson is full back.

Get used to that.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:36 pm

Did the RFU amend the laws again so that only they could compete for the high ball? That yellow was ludicrous, he had his hands on the ball.


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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:36 pm

Mr Fishpaste wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Argetinina fb yellow carded ...Very harsh

Indeed:
"Not in a realistic position to get the ball"...except that he had his hands on the ball at the same time as Brown

He didn't pull downwards on the ball though, he did on browns arm. Would of been fine if it wasn't for that

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Scottrf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:37 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:So Watson is full back.

Get used to that.
I thought it looked like Daly went to FB?

Edit. No perhaps not.


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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by kingelderfield on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:38 pm

Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:40 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:Did the RFU amend the laws again so that only they could compete for the high ball? That yellow was ludicrous, he had his hands on the ball.

Almost agree. It was dangerous though and was perhaps .1 sec too late. 50/50 call on the yellow imo

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Scottrf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:42 pm

How's it a yellow? He landed on his head. Yellow isn't an option.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:42 pm

kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Rory_Gallagher on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:47 pm

Underhill looks like a very powerful option at 7.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:48 pm

Rory_Gallagher wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

He pulled brown down by the arm, am I the only one seeing that clearly

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:51 pm

Underhill has had an effective 40. Not sure on Lawes this half . Hartley has made some carries...I'm shocked.

Slade has had glimpses of what could be.....

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Scottrf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:54 pm

Worst half for Lawes for sometime. Underhill has had some crunching tackles.

Honestly Argentina need to change their selection policy.

This will go to a 30 point win.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 3:56 pm

I await the baby elephant, want to see him carrying. Our scrum is pants at the minute so can only improve

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:00 pm

Yeah the pack looks flat. Vunipola looks ace ball in hand passing but another day to forget in the scrum. The yellow is a bad decision. Only thing it couldn't have been!

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Heaf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:05 pm

nathan wrote:
Rory_Gallagher wrote:
kingelderfield wrote:Chap he landed on his head and could have broken his neck. I suggest you calm down.

Is that a reply to me? Unfortunately in rugby, as you well know, freak injuries can occur. When two players are jumping in the air competing for a ball there is a risk attached even if both players compete fairly. You can't penalise a player for competing fairly. And you can keep your suggestions to yourself, chap.

He pulled brown down by the arm, am I the only one seeing that clearly

Yep saw that - if the ref judged it to be a dangerous challenge it had to be red as he landed on his head.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:06 pm

Still struggling to see this Improved carrying of Lawes....the strip from Hernandez was not something he'll want to remember either. Better needed in the 2nd from quite a few of the senior players.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:11 pm

I think my feelings on Lawes is he always looks physically weaker than the other locks we have (looks like bambi). I may be completely wrong...that's just my perception.

He's been outstanding this season though so maybe just having a bad game.

Watson has taken two good high balls

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Heaf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:17 pm

Not sure Nigel likes us - called in touch when we weren’t in the first half and now a non forward pass .....

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:19 pm

Heaf wrote:Not sure Nigel likes us - called in touch when we weren’t in the first half and now a non forward pass .....

He's Welsh. ..comes with the territory...

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:20 pm

Is Mako playing at 10?

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:22 pm

I also think this has been Hartley best game for England in a long time

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by nathan on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:23 pm

Was that not ripped, should of been an argie lineout

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Duty281 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:26 pm

Boring, tepid stuff.

England need a sizeable improvement for next Saturday.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Mr Fishpaste on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:28 pm

And ARG need someone who can kick for polls.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by Scottrf on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:Boring, tepid stuff.

England need a sizeable improvement for next Saturday.
It has been poor, yes.

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Re: England v Argentina - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 4:33 pm

I'd like to see genge on for mako

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