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Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:21 am

Wales v Australia  - 11th November

Date: Saturday 11th November
Time: 1715 GMT
Location: Kerdiff
TV: BBC 2 Wales S4C

Head to Head

Wales        Aus
40  played  40
10   wins    29
29   loss     10
1     draw    1
58    tries   115
37    cons   73
85    pens   82



Teams

Wales

Backs: Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), J Davies (Scarlets), O Williams (Gloucester), S Evans (Scarlets); Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies (Scarlets).

Forwards: R Evans (Scarlets), Owens (Scarlets), Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Ball (Scarlets), A W Jones (Ospreys, capt), Shingler (Scarlets), Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Faletau (Bath).

Replacements: Smith (Ospreys), Dacey (Cardiff Blues), Brown (Dragons), Cross (Ospreys), Hill (Dragons), A Davies (Scarlets), Watkin (Ospreys), Amos (Dragons).

Australia

Australia: 15 Kurtley Beale, 14 Marika Koroibete, 13 Tevita Kuridrani, 12 Samu Kerevi, 11 Reece Hodge, 10 Bernard Foley, 9 Will Genia, 8 Sean McMahon, 7 Michael Hooper (captain), 6 Ned Hanigan, 5 Adam Coleman, 4 Rob Simmons, 3 Sekope Kepu, 2 Tatafu Polota-Nau, 1 Scott Sio.
Replacements: 16 Stephen Moore, 17 Tom Robertson, 18 Allan Alaalatoa, 19 Matt Philip, 20 Ben McCalman, 21 Nick Phipps, 22 Karmichael Hunt, 23 Henry Speight.


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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:31 am

LAST 3 MATCHES
23/6/17 Samoa 17 - 19 Wal
16/6/17 Tonga 6 - 24 Wal
18/3/17 Fra        20 - 18 Wal

LAST 3 MATCHES against NH opposition
3/12/16 Eng 37 - 21 Aus
26/11/16 Ire 27 - 24 Aus
12/11/16 Sco 22 - 23 Aus

Head to Head

Wales        Aus
40  played  40
10   wins    29
29   loss     10
1     draw    1
58    tries   115
37    cons   73
85    pens   82


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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:32 am

Cheers Munk, here is some more meet on the bone for you OK

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:47 am

Apparently Wales haven't won their opening Autumn international since beating Romania in 2002.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:51 am

LordDowlais wrote:LAST 3 MATCHES
23/6/17 Samoa 17 - 19 Wal
16/6/17 Tonga 6 - 24 Wal
18/3/17 Fra        20 - 18 Wal

LAST 3 MATCHES against NH opposition
3/12/16 Eng 37 - 21 Aus
26/11/16 Ire 27 - 24 Aus
12/11/16 Sco 22 - 23 Aus



Scotland beat them 24 - 19 in June. OK

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LondonTiger on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:52 am

Not sure what the Australia 3 matches is actually showing in OP. After all they have played Scotland and Italy in 2017, and France on 19/11/16.

Some inexperienced names in the Wales lineup will make things interesting.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:52 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:LAST 3 MATCHES
23/6/17 Samoa 17 - 19 Wal
16/6/17 Tonga 6 - 24 Wal
18/3/17 Fra        20 - 18 Wal

LAST 3 MATCHES against NH opposition
3/12/16 Eng 37 - 21 Aus
26/11/16 Ire 27 - 24 Aus
12/11/16 Sco 22 - 23 Aus



Scotland beat them 24 - 19 in June. OK

Bugger I just took it off the WRU website, perhaps it's last 3 AI's matches.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:58 am

LordDowlais wrote:
Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:LAST 3 MATCHES
23/6/17 Samoa 17 - 19 Wal
16/6/17 Tonga 6 - 24 Wal
18/3/17 Fra        20 - 18 Wal

LAST 3 MATCHES against NH opposition
3/12/16 Eng 37 - 21 Aus
26/11/16 Ire 27 - 24 Aus
12/11/16 Sco 22 - 23 Aus



Scotland beat them 24 - 19 in June. OK

Bugger I just took it off the WRU website, perhaps it's last 3 AI's matches.

Makes a change from Walesonline Wink

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 11:59 am

Anyway.

It'll be interesting to watch Navidi at 7 on Saturday, he is a bit bigger that any other 7's we have in my opinion, and his ball carrying could be massive in this game.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:02 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:LAST 3 MATCHES
23/6/17 Samoa 17 - 19 Wal
16/6/17 Tonga 6 - 24 Wal
18/3/17 Fra        20 - 18 Wal

LAST 3 MATCHES against NH opposition
3/12/16 Eng 37 - 21 Aus
26/11/16 Ire 27 - 24 Aus
12/11/16 Sco 22 - 23 Aus



Scotland beat them 24 - 19 in June. OK

I've got rid of the whole lot Very Happy
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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 12:46 pm


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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by RiscaGame on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 1:43 pm

Feel for Dee, with Dacey benching again. Also feel a bit for Seb Davies, who I would’ve chosen over Hill. Team as expect really though. Owen Williams very much a stopgap until Parkes is available v SA.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by munkian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 1:49 pm

RiscaGame wrote:Feel for Dee, with Dacey benching again. Also feel a bit for Seb Davies, who I would’ve chosen over Hill. Team as expect really though. Owen Williams very much a stopgap until Parkes is available v SA.

Dee, Davies, Brown, Cross would be a ridiculously inexperienced bench though.
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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 2:39 pm


FFS.

How many Samoans and Fijian's are in that team ?

Makes a mockery out of international rugby. picard

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 2:47 pm

No Samoans, three Fijians (if you include Samu Kerevi, who moved to Australia as a boy).

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 2:53 pm

Add Speight in as he's on the bench

So 4 including Kerevi

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 4:26 pm

Quite happy and excited about the team we've put out. Our locks are big hitters so Gats has picked the same back-row as I would have, all three are pretty good at everything. Shingler is definitely the in-form blindside I just hope he can replicate it for Wales. I've always rated Navidi pretty highly so I watch him with great interest, slightly underwhelmed about the 7 to come off the bench though. How Aled Davies is even in this squad in the first place I don't know, and if he happens to get on the pitch he'll likely f^*k everything up.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 4:56 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Our locks are big hitters

Goes away to check side

Notices captain

Yahoo

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:04 pm

BamBam wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Our locks are big hitters

Goes away to check side

Notices captain

Yahoo

Yeah the grand old master is back after teaching Itoje everything he knows; a shame he couldn't rub off on Kruis though. I heard him and our new boy Leon Brown battered your boys in training too, seems there's life in the old dog Wink.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:06 pm

Wink

Good luck against the Aussies old chap, worry about the next rung up the rankings after that

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:17 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
BamBam wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Our locks are big hitters

Goes away to check side

Notices captain

Yahoo

Yeah the grand old master is back after teaching Itoje everything he knows; a shame he couldn't rub off on Kruis though.

I didn't know he was into that.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by geoff999rugby on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:20 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

FFS.

How many Samoans and Fijian's are in that team ?

Makes a mockery out of international rugby. picard

Like Wales you mean - both starting teams have 4 players born outside the country
3 of the Welsh players moved to Wales as children, 2 of the Australians moved to Australia

Check you facts before coming on here making a fool of yourself picard

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:39 pm

Yeah I don't get those comments, especially when most international teams have average kiwi club players line up for them.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:40 pm

BamBam wrote:Good luck against the Aussies old chap

Cheers butty.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:57 pm

geoff999rugby wrote:Like Wales you mean - both starting teams have 4 players born outside the country
3 of the Welsh players moved to Wales as children, 2 of the Australians moved to Australia

Check you facts before coming on here making a fool of yourself picard

Don't you have a failed world cup bid to grizzle over, and accuse world rugby of being biased, and scream conspiracy theories left, right and center too worry about? Very Happy

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 5:58 pm

Yea, far be it for anyone to call you out on bluster picard

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 6:01 pm

Anyway, as I said earlier, I am looking forward to see if Navidi can carry as much for Wales as he does for Cardiff Blues, we will need his go forward, and he is good at hitting the correct angles as well.

Secondly I really hope Steff Evans gets a lot of chances with the ball in hand, he is the stand out form player in Wales at the minute. I am really excited to see how he can perform.

It looks like Gatland is going to try and mirror what Scarlets have been doing, and that is punish teams by running at them before they have a chance to organise, with quick offloads, and good kick chases.

This will be a very interesting Autumn.

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 6:02 pm

BamBam wrote:Yea, far be it for anyone to call you out on bluster picard

Oh here he is. Bounty hunting again. Rolling Eyes

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 6:07 pm

With you its more like low hanging fruit than bounty hunting

Geoff points out your obvious bluster, you then deflect knowing you've been caught out

Too easy

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by geoff999rugby on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 6:59 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
geoff999rugby wrote:Like Wales you mean - both starting teams have 4 players born outside the country
3 of the Welsh players moved to Wales as children, 2 of the Australians moved to Australia

Check you facts before coming on here making a fool of yourself picard

Don't you have a failed world cup bid to grizzle over, and accuse world rugby of being biased, and scream conspiracy theories left, right and center too worry about? Very Happy

Just pointing out the error of your ways LD - which are numerous Whistle

By the way I was wrong only 2 of the non Welsh lads move their as kids so the stats are identical for Wales and Australia

Incidently that is twice as many non-native born players in the starting XV as Ireland thumbsup

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 7:22 pm

Anyway, back to Wales V Australia.

I would like to congratulate Alyn Wyn Jones on winning his 111th cap for Wales, Alyn captains Wales again during this latest AI series.

I know he is not rated by many outside Wales, but what he has achieved for both region and country cannot be denied, I for one am glad he is ours, and I would not swap him for any other player, I am sure he will be the player we all know he is again this Autumn, and he will no doubt be massive with the less experienced players we will be seeing around him.

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 09 Nov 2017, 7:23 pm

P.S

Nice one geoff. Very Happy

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by chris_501 on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 2:51 pm

Looking at those big Aussie centres, I do hope that Owen Williams is up to it in regards to his defence. So far at Glos, it hasn't been standout.

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Post by Newsilure on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 3:26 pm

Very pleased to see Navidi getting a chance, I only worry he will find it a stressful experience knowing he has to score at least three tries to keep his place. Am a bit worried that after years of having had large backs we are downsizing when other teams, particularly Australia, are following our lead and picking bigger backs.

Still am very much looking forward to the game Wink

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by BamBam on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 3:32 pm

What's the chances that Kerevi and Kuridrani go mental down the 10-12 channel and Blockhead brings Roberts in for the next game

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Post by geoff999rugby on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 4:03 pm

Have to agree on Owen Williams - he has been poor for Gloucester and in particular has been weak in defence

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 4:04 pm

chris_501 wrote:Looking at those big Aussie centres, I do hope that Owen Williams is up to it in regards to his defence. So far at Glos, it hasn't been standout.

I never had any confidence with him defending the 12 channel for us either. Do hope he goes well though.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Griff on Fri 10 Nov 2017, 6:01 pm

BamBam wrote:What's the chances that Kerevi and Kuridrani go mental down the 10-12 channel and Blockhead brings Roberts in for the next game

This is my big worry. I often get the feeling that Gatland will only make changes to his 'formula' when there has been a big outcry in the media and from ex players and pundits. To appease the masses, if you will. I always sense he's happy to say 'told you so' when it doesn't work and he then has justification to go back to tried and tested game plan. Gatlandball or Warrenball (I forget the difference) is low risk and defence based so it gets us close to teams quite often but is often not enough to gets us a win (see the history v Aus). A more attack focused team will be more high risk and if we don't get a win we could end up getting a hiding, and que 'told you so' and a decision that we could have been closer (but no cigar) playing the old way so we'll go back to that for the 6N.


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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by George Carlin on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 1:03 pm

Jaysus lads - will you all cheer up. 

You might win, you might not. 

However, it's a chance to see some new combinations and so let's have some respect for that. WRU have placed themselves entirely in Gatland's hands so let's not struggle against the puppet strings. Good luck - I hope you snap the streak but if not, don't worry about it.
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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Griff on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 2:25 pm

George, the flak we'll get on here for not beating them again is perhaps what's making us glum. Que the calls from Lions 'fans' that another defeat to Aus proves player 'X' shouldn't have been on the Lions tour; que 'we're better than you because we beat Aus a year ago', etc., etc. You have to take the rough with the smooth on here of course, but it's perhaps what's at the back of our minds. More fire fighting.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 5:25 pm

What's happened to the MS pitch given it has a roof?

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 5:37 pm

The pitch is in a disgraceful condition. Sadly common where the MS is concerned.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 5:42 pm

Jonathan Davies commentating is frustrating at times. Everything is brilliant.

Australia score but both sides were brilliant. Wtf??

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by RiscaGame on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 5:45 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:What's happened to the MS pitch given it has a roof?

Anthony Joshua

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:17 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Jonathan Davies commentating is frustrating at ALL times. Everything is brilliant.

Australia score but both sides were brilliant. Wtf??

Fixed.
Meanwhile, Newcastle 24-0 Cardiff bloos HT.

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Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:22 pm

RiscaGame wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:What's happened to the MS pitch given it has a roof?

Anthony Joshua

Greenkeeper?

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:24 pm

Cardiff Dave wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Jonathan Davies commentating is frustrating at ALL times. Everything is brilliant.

Australia score but both sides were brilliant. Wtf??

Fixed.
Meanwhile, Newcastle 24-0 Cardiff bloos HT.

We put a particularly strong side out mate. I'm assuming you guys put some youngsters out?

I couldn't make the game today unfortunately.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:32 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:What's happened to the MS pitch given it has a roof?

Crop rotation mun. Must be fallow year.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by Cardiff Dave on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:33 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:
Cardiff Dave wrote:
GeordieFalcon wrote:Jonathan Davies commentating is frustrating at ALL times. Everything is brilliant.

Australia score but both sides were brilliant. Wtf??

Fixed.
Meanwhile, Newcastle 24-0 Cardiff bloos HT.

We put a particularly strong side out mate. I'm assuming you guys put some youngsters out?

I couldn't make the game today unfortunately.  

43 nil now. Not a Cardiff priority by the look of it.

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Re: Wales v Australia - 11th November

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat 11 Nov 2017, 6:39 pm

Yeah...we had a huge number of 1st teamers in

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