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Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 9:59 am

SCOTLAND


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NEW ZEALAND


Round 31

Brief History

Scotland 0 wins 2 Draws
New Zealand 28 wins 2 draws

Last time Scotland played NZ in Scotland was the 15th of November 2014 (Score: 16 - 24 to NZ)

Last time Scotland played NZ in NZ was the 1st of July 2000 (Score: 48 - 14 to NZ)

On the 18th of January 1964, Scotland played NZ at Murrayfield resulting in an unusual scoreline of 0 - 0

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All Kittens

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:01 am

Hope you don't mind me starting this thread GC, feel free to improve it Wink
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by tigertattie on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:33 am

I'm going to be watching this game from behind my sofa!
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by TJ on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:39 am

tigertattie wrote:I'm going to be watching this game from behind my sofa!

Yup - its going to get crowded in there Hug Fingers Crossed picard

Decent result for Scotland will be to score some tries, get some steals, put them under a bit of pressure and lose by less than 10. to do that we will need one of the best displays we have ever had.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by NeilyBroon on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:47 am

I have a horrible feeling this is going to be a 40 point drubbing.

Happy for the boys to prove me wrong though, they have in the past!

If they play like they did against Aus in the summer, we should stay within 10!
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:57 am

TJ wrote:
tigertattie wrote:I'm going to be watching this game from behind my sofa!

Yup - its going to get crowded in there Hug  Fingers Crossed  picard

Decent result for Scotland will be to score some tries, get some steals, put them under a bit of pressure and lose by less than 10.  to do that we will need one of the best displays we have ever had.

I agree, It would be great to see Scotland construct some try's through some attacking ball rather than intercept try's or loose ball from the AB's. I'd also like to see Scotland display their own brand of rugby during this match. Fast paced, varied attacking rugby that suits Scotland's strong backline. I'll be at this match so I'd just be happy to see a high scoring game that isn't too one sided, show piecing some fantastic attacking rugby. Let's hope it's dry.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by MacKnocked-on on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:01 am

John Welsh called up and Nel, Swinson and Harley all ruled out of the remaining AIs.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by EWT Spoons on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:07 am

One of the major positives from the Samoa game, is we have plenty to work on.

Defence at the ruck needs to be a massive focus, and restarts, and actually just defence in general.  Toonie also needs to take Finn aside and let him know he can pass the ball and not just continuously try kicks through.

Prior to the Samoa game, I would have been optimistic of not getting an absolute shoeing from NZ, however given how porous our defence is we have the very real chance of being totally out of the game by half time.

Not sure on the extent of injuries picked up by the team  (Seymour and Nel are doubts apparently), I’d go with something along the lines of:

1. Mafo
2. McInally
3. Berghan
4. Gray
5. Toolis
6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. CDP
9. Price
10. Russell
11. Jones
12. Dunbar
13. Jones
14. Seymour (if fit)
15. Hogg

16. Bhatti
17. Turner
18. Fagerson
19. Gilchrist
20. Wilson
21. Horne
22. Pyrgos
23. Harris – I’m not convinced by him yet, but he needs to be tried out in a meaningless game.


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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by EWT Spoons on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:07 am

MacKnocked-on wrote:John Welsh called up and Nel, Swinson and Harley all ruled out of the remaining AIs.

What happened to him?

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Captain_Sensible on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:11 am

EWT Spoons wrote:
MacKnocked-on wrote:John Welsh called up and Nel, Swinson and Harley all ruled out of the remaining AIs.

What happened to him?

Knee injury in training, I think

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by MacKnocked-on on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:11 am

EWT Spoons wrote:
MacKnocked-on wrote:John Welsh called up and Nel, Swinson and Harley all ruled out of the remaining AIs.

What happened to him?

Injured in training last week apparently.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Mad for Chelsea on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:24 am

I'm both dreading and looking forward to this one. Looking forward to it because it's a great opportunity for Scotland to test themselves against the very best, and dreading it for reasons already touched on due to our poor defence in the Samoa gme. Having said that, Toonie is a good coach: he'll have seen what went wrong against Samoa, particularly their fringe defence and restart issues, and hopefully be working hard this week to sort that out.

What happened to Swinson BTW? Nel is obviously a loss, but Fagerson did well when he came on last week, scrummaging was fine and produced some big carries. Not too upset by losing Swinson for this one, though we might miss his maul defence against the Australians.

Expect minimal changes from Toonie, I'd be tempted to bring CDP into the starting line-up for a bit more grunt, but don't think Toonie will (especially given Wilson's VC status last Saturday, suggests Toonie sees him as important). Then it's a matter of Cummings or Gilchrist for the bench, and Bergham vs Fagerson for the start.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by TJ on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:31 am

Can we have a ~"hiding behind the sofa" smiley please?

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by nickj on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:41 am

Knee injury in training. While he might not have been in with a shout for the international 23, he will be a big miss for Glasgow

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Hazel Sapling on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 12:55 pm

How bad is the Harley injury? Is it rumoured to be a tweak or is it surgery?

Wish Nel and Swinson speedy recoveries and it is a shame for them that they do not get a crack at NZ. Personally I did not want them to play in either of the next 2 games so not a big loss.

I tend to agree with Spoons with a few differences
- Be tempted to have Welsh on the bench with Fagerson to start and Berghan to start the Aus game (or swap Berghan and Fagerson around). Experienced head to mentor the young'uns on the bench
- Prefer Gilchrist to start and Toolis to bench or putting Cummings on the bench with Toolis starting. Not a fan of Gilchrist on the bench. Not dynamic enough if we are chasing the game
- McGuigan ahead of Harris. Covers full back a bit better than our current alignment and he has been in fine form for Sale

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 1:01 pm

Jones had a decent enough game on Saturday but the thought of him vs Nadolo terrifies me. To be fair there's no one else that we could pick that I would be comfortable with!

Our wide defence was very passive against Samoa - if we give the ABs the same amount of time and space they'll rip us to shreds.

With Seymour a doubt we may see Harris starting, although Townsend might be tempted to go with Fife for his (slightly) greater experience.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by aucklandlaurie on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 1:57 pm

That Cat Rugby team that call themselves the All Blacks have to get past the France mid week game before they can focus on Scotland.

 Ian Morrison suggests the ABs are vulnerable as they have lost two games this year, Im sure both coaches will mention this point to their teams.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Captain_Sensible on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 1:58 pm

New Zealand have picked a dirt-trackers side to play France tomorrow, so it looks like they'll be putting out the big boys versus us.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 2:45 pm

aucklandlaurie wrote:That Cat Rugby team that call themselves the All Blacks have to get past the France mid week game before they can focus on Scotland.

 Ian Morrison suggests the ABs are vulnerable as they have lost two games this year, Im sure both coaches will mention this point to their teams.

Pretty much every time we've played the ABs lately they've been classed as vulnerable but it is always the same result. The team put out against France on Tuesday would probably still beat us never mind the first team!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by tigertattie on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 3:46 pm

I honestly think that had BVC still been in charge then we'd have been in with a shout against the blackness in this game.

Even SA beat the blackness not that long ago for crying out loud!

However, since Toonie took over, our defense has disappeared faster than the after meeting cakes at a weight watches class.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by NeilyBroon on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 5:15 pm

tigertattie wrote:I honestly think that had BVC still been in charge then we'd have been in with a shout against the blackness in this game.

Even SA beat the blackness not that long ago for crying out loud!

However, since Toonie took over, our defense has disappeared faster than the after meeting cakes at a weight watches class.

There's a lot of validity to this, and I am still skeptical of Toonie's accelerated leadership programme but I can't see our defense being anywhere near as atrocious as it was on Saturday. The jury is out, but if he was riding on the coattails of previous coaches at Glasgow then he will quickly come unstuck with the national side. As of the moment, he's not doing too badly but a good performance against NZ is needed to ease my doubts.

I still think a drubbing is on the cards, but I think if the correct selections are made that could make the difference this game. I'd take a punt and put Welsh and Cummings on the bench, if Gray is starting. Gilchrist has proved time and time again he's the ruck inspector MKII, we need bite and he offers very little. I would promote also McGuigan to the 23, he's scoring for fun in the premiership and is a big lump. If Seymour is out I'd put him in the starting 15.

Backrow is a tough one but I'd actually keep Wilson in - I'd rather Du Preez comes on as an impact sub. Barclay and Watson have been solid and I wouldn't change that combination. I'd be interested to see if Hamilton will be in the 23 - could be high risk but may pay dividends.

I feel it's a shame the knives are out for Pyrgos now, for ages it was Laidlaw and now HP seems to take the brunt of the criticism. He's had a few awful games but its not his fault he's been picked. I think someone has said to him he needs to focus on game management and he's taken that as slowing down the game as much as possible. Not long ago I remember we were crying out for him to be first choice. I hope he comes good again, but I'd rather have someone exciting on the bench like SHC or Horne the younger.

I think it'll also make a difference when Hastings comes of age, to have an out-and-out 10 on the bench who could pressure Finn could be a game changer for us. Still very green though but looking forward to seeing what more he can do.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by BigGee on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 5:46 pm

Harris deservers another chance, he only really got one sniff in the Samoa game and then got in a mess trying to take the inside line. Bit to soon to mark him off and allegedly he is very good defensively, which is what will be required. To stay on the bench again for me.

Watson was probably the only member of the backrow to fully justify his selection on Saturday. Neither Wilson nor Barclay had great games and must be under some pressure from CDP and Hamilton. Barclay is likely to keep his place, being captain but the braver selection would be for CDP to start and Hamilton to bench. This one is going to be the toughest call of the lot and may have the most outcome on the match. We definitely need some greater physicality from our back row.

Gilchrist or Cummings for the second row bench spot. I would go with Cummings. He is the coming man, if you will excuse the pun and we need to get him bloodied. Gilchrist has been playing well though, so no massive step down if Toonie goes down that route.

Glad to see Jon Welsh back in the squad, but can't see him featuring in this one. Australia maybe!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by BigGee on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 5:49 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Jones had a decent enough game on Saturday but the thought of him vs Nadolo terrifies me.

I thought we were playing NZ not Fiji!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 5:51 pm

Whoops - Naholo obviously!

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Post by BigGee on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 6:26 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Whoops - Naholo obviously!

Lee Jones had a pretty decent game on Saturday, but yes, still pretty terrifying!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by TJ on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 6:27 pm

Who has knives out for Pyrgos?

I think he is being used as a finisher and for control at the end of games - a role he suits well

Horne anyone? I thought he did fine in his 15 mins and his advantage s back up ten is he is familiar with all the players and plays from Glasgow

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by BigGee on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 9:11 pm

TJ wrote:Who has knives out for Pyrgos?

I think he is being used as a finisher and for control at the end of games - a role he suits well

Horne anyone?  I thought he did fine in his 15 mins and his advantage s back up ten is he is familiar with all the players and plays from Glasgow

I don't know about knives out for Henry P. He still remains our next best option as GL is injured. There is the feeling however that he is just keeping the shirt warm for Greg currently and then whichever of the young guns steps up quickly enough. The SH situation may look very different this time next year and I would be surprised to see Henry still in the squad around the next WC.

Horne senior played well in his cameo and has probably cemented his position as the back up to FR for the foreseeable. He is still a long way behind him as a starter though.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by TJ on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 10:34 pm

I don't think Laidlaw will ever play for scotland again. He hs been a great servant of the country but his time is gone. Go to France, Enjoy your rugby. Make big bucks, Thanks for what you have done frodo!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Hazel Sapling on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:13 pm

Idk about that for Laidlaw. I think he has a role in the 6 nations and the summer tour if healthy. Barring injuries, next Autumn I hope that one of Horne Jr, Steele, SHC or Vellacott will have pushed on enough to keep him out, but there are no guarantees.

HP should have been more than he is. Seems to have taken the wrong lessons from Laidlaw to be the starter. However, if Russell is injured, he may be the guy to take pressure off Horne, Hastings, etc. and certainly could turn into the guy who can kill the game in the last 10 minutes.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by reallybored on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:56 pm

We're going to fu©️king hammer them.

I have been drinking.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by reallybored on Mon 13 Nov 2017, 11:58 pm

TJ wrote:Who has knives out for Pyrgos?

I think he is being used as a finisher and for control at the end of games - a role he suits well

Horne anyone?  I thought he did fine in his 15 mins and his advantage s back up ten is he is familiar with all the players and plays from Glasgow
He did when he was playing well, unfortunately his last few appearances have been sh!t. Almost cost us the Aus match with aimless kicking.

Horne Jnr is the future.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by George Carlin on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 9:39 am

Pyrgos is headfeck wrapped inside a haiku inside a conundrum.

He provides cool decision making (usually), straightforward service, superb running support lines (just think of the tries he's scored where he took the final pass), bugger all physicality and not a great deal of speed or adventure. That's what you want as a reserve to a young gun like Price who will snipe and take quick taps. The problem is, that's Frodo's staid world too and you can't OutFrodo Frodo. Not easily anyway. 

Henners just needs more international experience. He should stay at Glasgow though because (a) I want MiniHorneyFurra to learn from him and (b) Georgey boy is the same style of player as Price is and so does not represent a different club in the bag, as it were.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 14 Nov 2017, 10:02 am

Like it or not, I don’t think Laidlaw is going anywhere - not this season anyway. He clearly still wants to play for Scotland and given that he was brought into the camp last week Townsend obviously still values his presence within the group.

If he’s fit for the 6N I think he’ll be involved, I just hope it is from the bench. If Laidlaw came off the bench at the weekend chances are we would have seen out the game with a lot more comfort, such is his influence on the team.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by George Carlin on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 10:05 am

Usual, strange, condescending 'non-coverage' from the NZ press. 

Being ranked ahead of Wales and France doesn't seem to matter. 

I don't know why I continue to let myself be disappointed by this.
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Post by SecretFly on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 10:25 am

George Carlin wrote:Usual, strange, condescending 'non-coverage' from the NZ press. 

Being ranked ahead of Wales and France doesn't seem to matter. 

I don't know why I continue to let myself be disappointed by this.

How often do you check the NZ coverage George?  I kinda do over the years, quite a bit.  I check out the Irish media, of course, and then I check out the English media, and then I sometimes check out Australian and New Zealand opinions.  Both those latter two seem to be so preoccupied with self that very little of any comment on any other sides ever get past the editors.  
21 reports on their own game of the weekend, 21 opinion pieces on what the ABs should do in the next game - often without even mentioning the opposition side that they just played or the one they intend playing the following week.

So don't take it personal - that's them.  You don't matter - nobody does.  Maybe that's the very key to super success.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by sensisball on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 11:56 am

The physicality of the AB's "B" team against France "B2 was pretty terrifying. However the French forwards, most notably Camille Chat, Maestri and Wenceslas Lauret went toe to toe with them for long spells. What is of particular concern is our forwards don't have the same power in contact and the AB first choice pack will be even more imposing than the 8 that played yesterday!
PS. little Gabriel La Chroix bagged two tries and got man of the match in the 23-28 loss.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by Hazel Sapling on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 1:40 pm

France are designed for a different sort of game though. Scotland's backs, even with the injuries, are superior to the French as a collective and in the game plan. The French want to beat you up at the scrum and the tight quarters.

The AB forwards will have to match Scotland's workrate (Rennie and Cockerill are both exacting when fitness is involved). Are the AB's going to rely on forward dominance?

Side note: Does not mean I think Scotland will win. Just it will be a different sort of game

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 1:59 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:France are designed for a different sort of game though. Scotland's backs, even with the injuries, are superior to the French as a collective and in the game plan. The French want to beat you up at the scrum and the tight quarters.

The AB forwards will have to match Scotland's workrate (Rennie and Cockerill are both exacting when fitness is involved). Are the AB's going to rely on forward dominance?

Side note: Does not mean I think Scotland will win. Just it will be a different sort of game

Worth noting that the ABs are one of the fittest teams out there so we're certainly not going to out last them. Also I think it's fair to say they'll have dominance everywhere, not just the forwards!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by George Carlin on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 2:08 pm

SecretFly wrote:
George Carlin wrote:Usual, strange, condescending 'non-coverage' from the NZ press. 

Being ranked ahead of Wales and France doesn't seem to matter. 

I don't know why I continue to let myself be disappointed by this.

How often do you check the NZ coverage George?  I kinda do over the years, quite a bit.  I check out the Irish media, of course, and then I check out the English media, and then I sometimes check out Australian and New Zealand opinions.  Both those latter two seem to be so preoccupied with self that very little of any comment on any other sides ever get past the editors.  
21 reports on their own game of the weekend, 21 opinion pieces on what the ABs should do in the next game - often without even mentioning the opposition side that they just played or the one they intend playing the following week.

So don't take it personal - that's them.  You don't matter - nobody does.  Maybe that's the very key to super success.
Lots actually Fly. 

I check NZ Herald, Sydney Morning Herald (Rugby Heaven) and the Scotsman. Then, when feel I really want to be condescended to, I check the Guardian. Then when I want to read 14 interviews with Eddie Jones, I check Robert Kitson at the Guardian. A sycophant who looks like a bald eagle with radiation sickness.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by SecretFly on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 2:08 pm

Hazel Sapling wrote:France are designed for a different sort of game though. Scotland's backs, even with the injuries, are superior to the French as a collective and in the game plan. The French want to beat you up at the scrum and the tight quarters.

The AB forwards will have to match Scotland's workrate (Rennie and Cockerill are both exacting when fitness is involved). Are the AB's going to rely on forward dominance?

Side note: Does not mean I think Scotland will win. Just it will be a different sort of game

If the ABs are failing to live with the legs of Scotland on workrate through the full 80 and beyond, then I think that'll be an imposter AB side the Scots will be facing.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by George Carlin on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 2:10 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:
Hazel Sapling wrote:France are designed for a different sort of game though. Scotland's backs, even with the injuries, are superior to the French as a collective and in the game plan. The French want to beat you up at the scrum and the tight quarters.

The AB forwards will have to match Scotland's workrate (Rennie and Cockerill are both exacting when fitness is involved). Are the AB's going to rely on forward dominance?

Side note: Does not mean I think Scotland will win. Just it will be a different sort of game

Worth noting that the ABs are one of the fittest teams out there so we're certainly not going to out last them.  Also I think it's fair to say they'll have dominance everywhere, not just the forwards!
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by funnyExiledScot on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 9:03 pm

It's a shame we're carrying so many injuries into this one, and I worry about how easily the Samoans made yards through the middle. The ABs won't be anymore physical, but the offloading will be a nightmare if we don't defend the ruck area or let their back three pick up a head of steam. For what it's worth I thought Lee Jones made a good account of himself against Samoa, both in attack and defence. He's quicker than I thought he was. I also thought Marfo made a decent fist of international rugby, and I was pleased with Du Preez's cameo at the end. A reminder of how good he can be.

Will be firmly behind the sofa on Saturday, but at least we look like a rugby team that has a plan. For a decade or so that was not the case!

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by jimbopip on Wed 15 Nov 2017, 9:44 pm

I think we are suffering from "false consciousness syndrome" when considering the Samoa game.

We all feared we would lose...we didn't.
We all feared Lee Jones and Furra Linee would be embarrassed...they weren't.
We all feared the scrum would be annihilated...it wasn't.

Actually, just after half time we were 22 points up. Everyone knew we couldn't lose from there and, I think, the players switched off to a certain extent. know the press are saying that every time we scored Samoa pulled one back but I prefer to see it as every time they closed the gap we pulled away again.

We won't be complacent on Saturday.

Despite the injuries I think we have a good 23 available. Certainly the backs will look to play a southern hemisphere type game and they're probably as well equipped to do that as any of the NH sides. The forwards may look lightweight, especially when compared to France last night, but Renzo does insist that the main difference between Sooper 15 rugby and Pro14 is that their front fives tend to be more dynamic around the pitch and have better ball handling skills, our front five on Saturday will be competitive in both these areas.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 10:14 am

Are teams being announced today?
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 10:17 am

This afternoon apparently - they've been holding off for Seymour's injury.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by nickj on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 11:19 am

My shout at a 23:

1. Mafo
2. McInally
3. Fagerson
4. Gray
5. Toolis
6. Barclay
7. Watson
8. Wilson
9. Price
10. Russell
11. Jones
12. Dunbar
13. Jones
14. Seymour (if fit)
15. Hogg

16. Sutherland
17. Turner
18. Berghan
19. Cummings
20. CDP
21. Pyrgos
22. Horne
23. McGuigan / Harris / Hamilton (7)

I have a feeling he'll go with a settled 15 and a 5/2 split on the bench if Seymour is fit, if there are any question marks over his toe, Harris or McGuigan come in. Would be harsh to drop Harris, but McGuigan just seems a bit more physical

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by BigGee on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 12:00 pm

I would have CDP starting, though I suspect he will run with Wilson. If he does it will leave our back row underpowered again. There is a good case for Hamilton being in there somewhere as well as there will be some serious defensive work to get through. This is where we really do miss John Hardie and Hamilton may be the next best thing.

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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 12:20 pm

and here is my XXIII to beat the all blacks!

Marfo
McInally
Berghan
Toolis
Gray
Barclay
Watson
CDP
Price
Russell
McGuigan (If Seymour is out)
Dunbar
Jones
Jones
Hogg

Turner
Bhatti
Fagerson
Cummings
Wilson
Pyrgos
Horne
Jackson

Very much a starting XV with some young, explosive energy on the bench in the forwards.

In the backs the energy is on the pitch and the experience is on the bench in case we get in trouble.
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by bsando on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 1:06 pm

Maitland playing for Sarries this weekend I noticed, reckon he'll be called up for Aus if he goes alright?
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Re: Scotland vs New Zealand 18th November

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 16 Nov 2017, 1:29 pm

Head Coach Gregor Townsend has made two injury-enforced changes to the Scotland team named to start against New Zealand this Saturday at BT Murrayfield (kick-off 5.15pm) – live on BBC and BT Sport.

The changes come in the forward pack, where prop Zander Fagerson and back-row Cornell du Preez have been promoted from the bench in place of injured pair WP Nel and Ryan Wilson. It will be du Preez’ first start for Scotland.

Nel was ruled out of the autumn series at the beginning of the week, having fractured his arm in Saturday’s win over Samoa (44-38), while Wilson has failed to recover sufficiently from a shoulder injury sustained in the same game.

Simon Berghan and uncapped Luke Hamilton have been named in the vacated places on the bench, with lock Grant Gilchrist replacing the injured Tim Swinson (hand), another to be invalided out of the autumn campaign.

Finally, Townsend has selected uncapped Sale Sharks wing Byron McGuigan as the back-three replacement, in place of Chris Harris, who debuted last week.

Scotland Head Coach, Gregor Townsend, said: “The players are looking forward to getting back out on the pitch after last weekend’s high-scoring match against Samoa, which highlighted a few areas we’ve sought to improve this week at training.

“The task of facing New Zealand is one of the biggest challenges in sport and one that our players relish. They have been in brilliant form this season and continue to set very high standards whenever they play.”

An unchanged back division sees Ali Price partner Finn Russell at half-back and Alex Dunbar and Huw Jones in midfield, with vice-captain Stuart Hogg accompanied by Tommy Seymour and Lee Jones in the back-three.

In the pack, last weekend’s debutant Darryl Marfo (prop) and two-time try scorer and man-of-the-match winning hooker Stuart McInally join Fagerson in the front-row, Ben Toolis returns with Jonny Gray – who takes on the vice captaincy from the injured Wilson – at lock, with Hamish Watson and captain John Barclay combining with du Preez in the back-row.

Scotland team to play New Zealand at BT Murrayfield
Saturday 18 November (kick-off 5.15pm) – live on BBC / BT Sport

15. Stuart Hogg VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 54 caps

14. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 37 caps
13. Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 9 caps
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 27 caps
11. Lee Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 6 caps

10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 30 caps
9. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 9 caps

1. Darryl Marfo (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
2. Stuart McInally (Edinburgh Rugby) – 10 caps
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 13 caps
4. Ben Toolis (Edinburgh Rugby) – 5 caps
5. Jonny Gray VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 35 caps
6. John Barclay CAPTAIN (Scarlets) – 64 caps
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 13 caps
8. Cornell du Preez (Edinburgh Rugby) – 3 caps

Substitutes
16. George Turner (Glasgow Warriors) – 1 cap
17. Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors) – 1 cap
18. Simon Berghan (Edinburgh Rugby) – 3 caps
19. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby) – 16 caps
20. Luke Hamilton (Leicester Tigers) – uncapped
21. Henry Pyrgos (Glasgow Warriors) – 25 caps
22. Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 26 caps
23. Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks) – uncapped

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