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Post by The Loaded Dog on Wed 22 Nov 2017, 9:43 pm

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1st Test Brisbane, November 23-27, 2017

Australia:
Bancroft, Warner, Khawaja, Smith *, Handscomb, S Marsh, Paine †, Starc, Cummins, Lyon, Hazelwood

England:
Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Root *, Malan, Ali, Bairstow †, Woakes, Ball, Broad, Anderson


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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:35 pm

Could be a rain-affected day.

If I were Australian, I would be thinking another 250+ would be enough to assert total control. England will need to improve from yesterday if they want to replicate Australia's second morning.

First hour will be naturally tough for the batsmen. Second hour brings the new ball. The afternoon and evening should be significantly easier.

The key is, of course, Smith.

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Post by The Loaded Dog on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 11:48 pm

Potential thunderstorm later in the day but mostly clear and sunny this morning.

Election day in Queensland... stands look a little empty right now. However, hopefully another good attendance at the Gabba today.
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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:01 am

As many of us have already said, Smith's wicket is so important. If England don't get it early, it's vitally important we keep things tight and stay patient.

An expression often used on the Surrey threads for their County Championship matches is that ''day 3 is moving day''. Even though CC matches are only for 4 days, I feel that could well be the case here today as one side could noticeably shift ahead before the close ....

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by compelling and rich on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:09 am

got to agree with boycott here, not sure how were going to get smith out using this tactic. not a single dangerous delivery being bowled at him. the only way hes getting out is if he makes a mistake

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by James100 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:10 am

I detest Boycott as a commentator, even Botham would be welcome relief right now.

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Post by compelling and rich on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:16 am

James100 wrote:I detest Boycott as a commentator, even Botham would be welcome relief right now.

cant say hes my favorite. far too negative with any attacking players. just agree with his point re smith

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Post by James100 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:20 am

compelling and rich wrote:
James100 wrote:I detest Boycott as a commentator, even Botham would be welcome relief right now.

cant say hes my favorite. far too negative with any attacking players. just agree with his point re smith

I agree with him that they shouldn't be bowling short and wide - though that seems obvious. Full(ish) and wide is a good tactic to Smith though and he's lumping that in the same category.

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Post by compelling and rich on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:21 am

get in, we needed that

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:22 am

Marsh goes. He’s worked hard for that 51.

Pressure was building.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by alfie on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:28 am

Good bowling from Broad and Anderson this morning : rewarded now with the wicket of Marsh ...that will give England a lift.

Still a long way behind : Smith remains the big obstacle ; but a lot depends now on what support he can get from the "tail"

Paine got runs against England in the warm up ; and Starc and Cummins are both capable bats . So England will need the back up bowlers - who will have to come on soon - to come to the party. I'd be keeping these two on for a couple more yet though now that the new man is in...

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by alfie on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:33 am

...clearly Root disagrees with me as Woakes comes on immediately Smile

I get saving Jimmy for the new ball. But he beat Smith last over and I'd have been giving him one more. Ah well : Root has done OK with his changes so far...we will see.

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Post by compelling and rich on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:39 am

i thought we shouldn't have swapped so soon. give anderson and broad at least a couple more against the new batsman

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:44 am

Hi Alfie - do you get the same commentary as us? Boycs was talking earlier about Olly's man Woakes ''bowling tripe'' yesterday. Smile

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by jimbohammers on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:47 am

Would have given Broad at least 1 more over, he looked in the like he was getting in the groove

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by alfie on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:48 am

Hi guildford

No , get local comms . Healy , Taylor , Warne.

Woakes and Ball with the short ball attack...nearly got Smith so maybe not too crazy.

I have to go and play myself now so you fellows will have to get the next five wickets...

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:48 am

Smith looking frustrated.

Couple of careless Played+missed shots this morning.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 12:59 am

Cheers, Alfie. Anyway, I'm sure you got the gist of Boycs' assessment of Woakes. He's very predictable which I suspect irritates some here although it often draws a smile from me. Although he sometimes goes too far and almost becomes a parody of himself, he can talk sense (a bit like Bumble Lloyd when he resists the urge to play the fool).

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by jimbohammers on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:02 am

Here comes Graeme Swanns comedy club...
A little tiring hearing his 'banter' all the time.
Liking Gilchrist and Ponting

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:03 am

Just 27 runs in the opening hour.

Root will be happy.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:07 am

jimbohammers wrote:Would have given Broad at least 1 more over, he looked in the like he was getting in the groove

Hi Jimbo - allowing myself some hindsight to ask the question, do you think we might have done better in going with two Hants players here? Very Happy

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:10 am

Think we’re gonna be looking to do little more than induce mistakes with control and strangling on the run rate. New ball and our two controlled bowlers working in tandem needs to set the tone that the rest follow

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by jimbohammers on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:12 am

guildfordbat wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Would have given Broad at least 1 more over, he looked in the like he was getting in the groove

Hi Jimbo - allowing myself some hindsight to ask the question, do you think we might have done better in going with two Hants players here? Very Happy

Why stop at 2, Guildford? Should have flown Dawson in as well Wink
In all seriousness, the way Lyon was getting turn on Day 1, you'd think Crane would have done well here. Suppose they wasn't expecting a pitch like this.

Swann doing my head in here

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:17 am

Cheers, Jimbo. Liked your Dawson comment. Laugh

To be fair, this seems a totally non Gabba like pitch which has surprised all.

I emailed BT yesterday complaining about Swann's ''banter''. Reply awaited.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:21 am

In other news, Maxwell out for 278.
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Post by compelling and rich on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:24 am

classic anderson

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:25 am

Wow, what a delivery!

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:25 am

Lovely ball, Jimmy!

Tail coming at the new ball, let’s see how Smith plays with this

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:27 am

This is not good at all. Sort it out Oz

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by jimbohammers on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:29 am

Bairstow with a casual one handed catch

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:32 am

Broad is a long way from dead! Loves it in Australia!

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:32 am

Beautiful shot. Excellent riposte.

Advantage England.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:33 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:In other news, Maxwell out for 278.

Hi LD - what number does Maxwell normally bat? The most likely vacancy coming up would seem to be at 3 although I'm not sure if that would be high for him.

Meanwhile, a fine one handed catch by Bairstow off Anderson to put Paine back in the hutch. Australia now 93 adrift with 4 wickets left. I put us ahead but that could change if one of the bowlers can stay with Smith. EDIT and PS - However, Starc can't!! 209/7.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:34 am

The boys wont make 250 at this rate. Poor innings

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:40 am

Anderson and Broad bowling cleverly and effectively. I would like one more wicket in this session to firmly make it England's morning.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by jimbohammers on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 1:58 am

What's everyone's thoughts on the BT commentary team?
I'll be honest i don't know who the woman is but she sounds like she does radio? Like she's commentating on what we can see...
Swann, attempting his stand up show every time he's on
Boycott, old fashioned but knows what he's talking about
Gilchrist, quite like his enthusiasm and seems a nice bloke
Ponting, fairly decent, very knowledgeable
Vaughan, comes across a bit cocky, but he's bearable
Fleming, seems ok, doesn't seem to be on as often as the others?

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:04 am

Even though I rather greedily wanted one more wicket 20 minutes or so ago, still an excellent morning for England. Very disciplined cricket. Astute captaincy and good bowling supported by concentration in the field. 3 wickets taken and just 48 runs conceded. The only regret is that Smith wasn't one of those wickets. Whilst he remains and has someone alongside him, Australia are definitely still in this.

Some concern from the comms about Anderson. That potentially could be a big issue although I don't know what it's about or whether it's just Mitchell clucking again like a mother hen.

Anyway, that's it from me. Go well all.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:10 am

jimbohammers wrote:Vaughan, comes across a bit cocky, but he's bearable?
I want to put my fist through the screen every time his face is on it. His voice isn't much better. Cocky?...If this guy had his head up his backside anymore it would be coming out of his neck

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:12 am

jimbohammers wrote:What's everyone's thoughts on the BT commentary team?
I'll be honest i don't know who the woman is but she sounds like she does radio? Like she's commentating on what we can see...
Swann, attempting his stand up show every time he's on
Boycott, old fashioned but knows what he's talking about
Gilchrist, quite like his enthusiasm and seems a nice bloke
Ponting, fairly decent, very knowledgeable
Vaughan, comes across a bit cocky, but he's bearable
Fleming, seems ok, doesn't seem to be on as often as the others?

Generally agree there, Jimbo.

I dislike Vaughan more. He comes across to me like a noisy pub bore vying for attention. Swann is terrible and should be sacked immediately. Alison Mitchell is a cricket journalist who also does some radio coverage on county games - as you suggest, she never shuts up.

All in all, it's poor. BT need to stop swamping us and appreciate that less is more.

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by guildfordbat on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:14 am

Steffan wrote:
jimbohammers wrote:Vaughan, comes across a bit cocky, but he's bearable?
I want to put my fist through the screen every time his face is on it. His voice isn't much better. Cocky?...If this guy had his head up his backside anymore it would be coming out of his neck

Steffan - a well reasoned assessment.

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Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:20 am

Vaughan is a strange one

When the Ashes first test in 2009 was given to Cardiff he didn't criticise like many did and said it was a good thing as the Welsh crowd are passionate

Then the other week he mocked us on Twitter (twice) for failing to make Russia 2018

I think he just likes saying anything that will get him some attention

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:26 am

guildfordbat wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:In other news, Maxwell out for 278.

Hi LD - what number does Maxwell normally bat? The most likely vacancy coming up would seem to be at 3 although I'm not sure if that would be high for him.

Meanwhile, a fine one handed catch by Bairstow off Anderson to put Paine back in the hutch. Australia now 93 adrift with 4 wickets left. I put us ahead but that could change if one of the bowlers can stay with Smith. EDIT and PS - However, Starc can't!! 209/7.

Batting at 3 for Vic but usually lower down the order. One possible reshuffle would be Marsh at 3, Maxwell at 6... drop Khawaja.
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 2:33 am

Was an excellent session for England. Tight, disciplined and, in the end, productive.

Anderson's injury is a major concern, not just for the test, but the series as a whole.

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Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:36 am

During the tea break I managed to beat Durham by 9 wickets  Smile

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Re: The Ashes: 1st Test, Brisbane

Post by Duty281 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:42 am

Australia on the mend. Runs coming a little easier.

Really impressed by the sensible approach taken by Cummings. Smith looks like he could bat for ever and a day.

Poor captaincy to hold Anderson and Broad back for so long.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:58 am

England throwing away their hard work by letting a lower order bat hang around again I see

Beginning to think we may never dismiss Smith
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 4:34 am

Cummins deserves huge credit, probably saved this test for them. I know Smith has the score, but it’s his job.

Reckon they’ll end up with a lead now

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Post by Steffan on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 4:46 am

Not a bad innings now considering the bad start. You English lot bowled well though fair do. Anyway...rugby league time now (for as long as I can stay awake). Come on Tonga. Laters folks

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Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 4:46 am

Yes, Cummins played a fine innings just when we needed it... took pressure off Smith who is an absolute rock out there.
Deficit only 15 runs now at tea. Honestly thought we'd be 50+ runs short after Paine and Starc got out.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 6:11 am

I think we might have an issue with Anderson...he clearly wasn’t right in the field towards the end of that innings...

Trail by 26 runs, disappointing yes, but we’re still more than in this game. Crucial we don’t lose anymore than one wicket in this hour of play (the draw still very much in play here too - and actually with Anderson’s potential injury, might be our best bet)
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 6:13 am

Also have to say that was a magnificent innings from Steve Smith - England bowled well at him but it was a masterclass in patience and changeless batting.
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