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Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Flintoff01 on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 1:04 am

I've come up with a way to revolutionise test match cricket.
Test cricket has reached a stage whereby the touring team loses every single time.
I'm suggesting a way to never lose ever again. It's all based on a very simple albeit negative playing style.
From now on the touring team fields 11 batsmen. The plan isn't to win but to draw.
Fielding 11 batsmen would enable the following to occur
1. bowlers for the home team would fatigue due to the lack of easy free wickets and better technique of the batsmen
2. Batsmen themselves would have less pressure knowing that they wouldn't need to rotate the strike carefully when playing with a traditional tailender
3. When visiting teams- let's say India comes to England they lack the specialist bowlers to take advantage of the pitch. Often the wickets are due to poor concentration rather than outright skill. Having 'piechuckers' wouldn't be as much of a disadvantage as one would think. Have a look at the 2011 tour of England vs India, the specialist bowlers were as bad as some first time bowlers ( tendulkar, dhoni all chipped in with some wickets)
4. Having a mammoth batting line up would increase the chances of a score of around 400 which itself would waste many days and increase the chances of a draw

This would ultimately result in draws away from home And wins at home
Both would ensure you become the best ranked test match team
Also worth mentioning that fielding positions would be very negative, with many men on the boundary. Running between the wickets would take quite a toll on the batsmen.

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by It Must Be Love on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 2:22 am

Wouldn’t work, the opposition would get 600 within a day and cruise to a win.

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by wisden on Fri 24 Nov 2017, 12:25 pm

bloody silly idea!

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Flintoff01 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:57 am

Do you want to substantiate your argument wisden?
This is the batting unit India should field when they tour England. I fully expect a mammoth score with this lineup:
Rahul (WK)
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Dhawan
Rohit
Nair
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 7:48 am

Shouldn't there be 12 batsmen... for 11 wickets?
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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 8:09 am

Not sure why it would result in wins at home?

Wouldn’t it make sense to field 11 all rounders?

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by alfie on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 8:41 am

What a load of rubbish. Any team gets bowled out eventually and if you have no bowlers proper batsmen will score six per over (at least !) without a risk in the world.

Suspect the OP is having a laugh.

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by The Loaded Dog on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 9:07 am

Yes indeed.

Also the fundamental premise is wrong as we both know, alfie.
The really good teams do win away. Maybe they should only field 10 players in those situations? Wink
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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by wisden on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 3:22 pm

clearly a wum

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Flintoff01 on Sat 25 Nov 2017, 11:58 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:Not sure why it would result in wins at home?

Wouldn’t it make sense to field 11 all rounders?

Should have made it slightly clearer, when playing at home the 'traditional' team template should be followed as for teams like India, its only away from the subcontinent that they're considered underdogs.

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Flintoff01 on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 12:02 am

alfie wrote:What a load of rubbish.  Any team gets bowled out eventually and if you have no bowlers proper batsmen will score six per over (at least !) without a risk in the world.

Suspect the OP is having a laugh.

If you look at the team I suggested, I've been somewhat flexible by fielding 3 all rounders (all with very respectable batting averages) in ashwin, jadeja and pandya. Two of those are the top 4 test bowlers according to the ICC rankings, so I think the suggestion of 6rpo is unlikely.


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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by Flintoff01 on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 12:06 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:Yes indeed.

Also the fundamental premise is wrong as we both know, alfie.
The really good teams do win away. Maybe they should only field 10 players in those situations? Wink

India has won 3 test series in England in the last 70 years, the thought process behind this tactic is to create an exciting narrative about a team that is invincible due to winning at home and drawing away from home.

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Re: Brand new idea for underdog test teams

Post by It Must Be Love on Sun 26 Nov 2017, 2:24 am

Flintoff01 wrote:Do you want to substantiate your argument wisden?
This is the batting unit India should field when they tour England. I fully expect a mammoth score with this lineup:
Rahul (WK)
Vijay
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane
Dhawan
Rohit
Nair
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
India already played many all rounders, so that's pretty similar to their normal XI with the exception of one of Dhawan/Vijay, Rohit, and Nair. 
Given past history of how Indian batsman have fared in England, I think an average of 30 for all 3 of them is optimistic. Even if they get that- it's 90 runs per innings, probably around 60 more than they would have got anyway. 
Those 60 runs in each innings, and the time it takes up, will be easily outnumbered by the extra runs England will get- that bowling attack would be pretty toothless in english conditions (without Shami, Yadav, Kumar). England will probably cross 400 every time and with a higher run rate, against that bowling line up. Would be an absolute crushing.

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