What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

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What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by LondonTiger on Thu 14 Dec 2017, 2:17 pm

First topic message reminder :

Mainly putting this up to save other threads being derailed.

However a valid point, as after an unprecedented 6 defeats in a row the reigning Euro Champs do seem to be struggling. I suspect that come 24th December they will find form, but what do others think?

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Re: What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by beshocked on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 8:58 am

Another loss that should have been a win - 7 losses in a row. There is indeed a problem.

Losing narrowly yet again isn't good enough.

In the past Saracens wouldn't lose from when being 13 points up - their ability to defend a lead has gone up in smoke.

Sure Clermont did a lot of playacting but too many high tackles from Saracens, discipline was poor.

I'd like see to see the real turning point in the game - was the clermont player held? It looked like to me the Clermont player shouldn't have been allowed to make that line break which essentially settled the match...

I might be wrong though.

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Re: What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by propdavid_london on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 9:35 am

How is Calum Clarke playing? Not seen too many Sarries games this season.

I am sure there has to be an element of fatigue from the Lions - George, Williams, Farrell, Mako.
Kruis is in poorer (than usual) form, Injuries to Billy V and Wigglesworth etc.
Schalk Brits hasn't been that prominent - is he injured too?
Barrett missing some of those key games is crucial - he is the defensive lead in most circumstances.

Its just a combination of factors - but on the plus side there are plenty of guys getting experience.


With regards to Europe - its been a pretty bad performance for most English clubs.

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Re: What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by sensisball on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 2:14 pm

Thing to bear in mind is that Clermont have been decimated with injuries as well as Sarries. All 3 of their 10's; Lopez (broken leg), Fernandez ( dislocated patella) and medical joker Luke McAlister (broken hand) are out just now. Thus requiring a fullback, admittedly a former AB, to play at 10. They also had only won a single game away from home before thrashing Saracens last Monday.
However their big summer signing, Rabah Slimani, is making what was an already impressive scrum into probably the best scrummaging unit in Europe. If they can get some of their 10's fit for the K/O stages I think they will be very hard to stop.

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Re: What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 4:02 pm

Losing a 10 is probably not that bad for a French side compared to other nations. Much of the play is from the 9 and often the 10 acts like an extra centre, a position Toeva has played. I thought he played well tbh.

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Re: What's Gone Wrong at Saracens

Post by sensisball on Mon 18 Dec 2017, 7:43 pm

Pooly

With many French sides you are right about the 9 being more dominant in terms of decision making than the 10.Clearly Parra is fantastic in this regard but Lopez creates a lot as well with his superb passing and ability to play flat to the gain line. Their back line isn't as threatening without his presence so to be able to defeat Sarries, even an off form version, back to back with a make shift 10 is fairly encouraging for ASM.

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