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The Ashes: 4th Test; Boxing Day Test, Melbourne
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4th Test; Venue: Melbourne Cricket Ground; Dates: 26-30 December (23:30 GMT, 25 December)
Expected XIs:
Australia:
Bancroft, Warner, Khawaja, Smith *, S Marsh, M Marsh, Paine †, Bird, Cummins, Lyon, Hazelwood
England:
Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Root *, Malan, Bairstow †, Ali, Woakes, Curran, Broad, Anderson
4th Test; Venue: Melbourne Cricket Ground; Dates: 26-30 December (23:30 GMT, 25 December)
Expected XIs:
Australia:
Bancroft, Warner, Khawaja, Smith *, S Marsh, M Marsh, Paine †, Bird, Cummins, Lyon, Hazelwood
England:
Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Root *, Malan, Bairstow †, Ali, Woakes, Curran, Broad, Anderson
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Nearly depressing to read, could have been far worse but I really hoped for more. Cook being there is big, though. If they were worried that Bairstow had felt rushed by batting with the tail, he now has a chance to bat alongside someone who he should be able to predict.
On a side note, I’ve been to Australia twice and not been called a Pom, but just got called one in an Irish bar in New York
On a side note, I’ve been to Australia twice and not been called a Pom, but just got called one in an Irish bar in New York
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Hi folks - with those lbws, my immediate reaction is to say there's something wrong with the batsmen or the technology, and more probably the latter. However the Malan dismissal appears to show a definite deviation from bat to pad. Bizarre as you folks suggest.
A hard to call sort of morning as Craig says. Australia keeping it fairly dry and some pressure building in consequence. However, Cook is still there and at last an individual score of 160+ is in sight for an England batsman this series. We do also want Baistow to stick around and the tail to chip in as we don't just need those additional 63 runs and parity but a reasonable first innings lead.
My target is 400 to lead by 70+ first dig. That's still some way off but I reckon it shouldn't be out of the question. Anyway, that's what I'm about to be dreaming of as I head to bed. Night all.
A hard to call sort of morning as Craig says. Australia keeping it fairly dry and some pressure building in consequence. However, Cook is still there and at last an individual score of 160+ is in sight for an England batsman this series. We do also want Baistow to stick around and the tail to chip in as we don't just need those additional 63 runs and parity but a reasonable first innings lead.
My target is 400 to lead by 70+ first dig. That's still some way off but I reckon it shouldn't be out of the question. Anyway, that's what I'm about to be dreaming of as I head to bed. Night all.
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Ol' Man River moves onto 138 and Bairstow 18. England now 270 for 4 with England trailing by 57.
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This partnership now up to 30. England 276 for 4 and thry trail by 51.
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Lyon gets his hands on the new ball for the first time.
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Poor shot Bairstow. Has a swipe at a delivery from Lyon and nicks it to Paine. Bairstow goes for 22 and England 279 for 5. Ali comes to the wicket desperate for runs.
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Ali off the mark. Can he justify his selection with a meaningful knock? England 289 for 5 and England trail by 38. Cook 145 Ali 3.
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Lyon to bowl to Ali. First ball almost goes but credit him for playing an attacking shot. He gets a six with the ball skimming through the hands of a waiting fielder. He follows it up with a 4.
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Ali looking to play more attacking goes onto 15 and Cook onto 148. 302 for 5. The lead is 25 to Australia.
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Definitely being more aggressive is Ali and looking better for it. Moves onto 20 in 13 balls. England 307 for 5. They trail by 20.
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Lyon gets Ali again. Lucky to get to 20 really, Cummins should have swallowed that 6.
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And for the sixth time Ali falls to Lyon. He flashes and drives it to short mid-on. 307 for 6. Can England fashion a lead? Cracking catch by the way.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:Lyon gets Ali again. Lucky to get to 20 really, Cummins should have swallowed that 6.
Yes looked that way to me. Cummins set himself, waited and the ball just went over his head.
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150 for Cook. Well played!
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Cracking 150 by Cook. 311 for 6. Cook 150 Woakes 0. Trail by 16.
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Most test 150s by Cook by any Englishman in test history.
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England 315 for 6. They trail by 12 now. Cook 152 Woakes 2.
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Woakes almost bounced out by Cummins.
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Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:Lyon gets Ali again. Lucky to get to 20 really, Cummins should have swallowed that 6.
Bit harsh , LD. Ball sort of kept going...and he didn't know where the rope was . Would have been a great catch if he'd taken it.
Moeen couldn't make it count . Really think he should have throttled back after getting away with those first few shots : he had surely at least set the bowlers back a little by his aggression - why not push a few singles and make sure he was settled at the crease before trying to really dominate ? The longer he made them bowl the better , no ?
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England 323 for 6. They trail by 4. An embryonic partnership of 16 here.
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As pundits said I just don't think Ali has the confidence to stay in so wanted to score what he could when he could and not die wondering so to speak.
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England have made a big tactical error in playing bowlers. If they had followed my innovative idea of just 11 batsmen, the series would currently be 0-0 and England would have been on course to retain the urn with a winless series draw.
https://www.606v2.com/t66827-brand-new-idea-for-underdog-test-teams
https://www.606v2.com/t66827-brand-new-idea-for-underdog-test-teams
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CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that. Has he got money on Cook for 200 ? Dropped him twice now and delivered a tray of pies for his 100 last night :
Hasn't Lyon bowled well (again). ? I know Smith has been immense with the bat ; and Starc /Hazlewood/Cummins have all bowled well ...but I do think perhaps the biggest gap between the sides has been his effectiveness - and often key breakthrough wickets - against the total failure of Moeen to have any impact.
Once again England would surely be well away but for the spinner's contribution.
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And England lead. They move onto 328 for 6 and the partnership now edges up to 21. Cook 161 Woakes 6.
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England take the lead
As the sun is well over the yardarm I will open the Scotch.
Guildford should be at least partly happy when he wakes up as Cook is past 160
As the sun is well over the yardarm I will open the Scotch.
Guildford should be at least partly happy when he wakes up as Cook is past 160
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alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that. Has he got money on Cook for 200 ? Dropped him twice now and delivered a tray of pies for his 100 last night :
Hasn't Lyon bowled well (again). ? I know Smith has been immense with the bat ; and Starc /Hazlewood/Cummins have all bowled well ...but I do think perhaps the biggest gap between the sides has been his effectiveness - and often key breakthrough wickets - against the total failure of Moeen to have any impact.
Once again England would surely be well away but for the spinner's contribution.
It was a very tough chance. It was hit hard and fast and the ball was dipping low to his right. He did well to get a hand on it.
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Flintoff01 wrote:England have made a big tactical error in playing bowlers. If they had followed my innovative idea of just 11 batsmen, the series would currently be 0-0 and England would have been on course to retain the urn with a winless series draw.
https://www.606v2.com/t66827-brand-new-idea-for-underdog-test-teams
Wind up of the year ?
Problem is they are flat out finding six batsmen...
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England 335 for 6 and they lead by 8. Cook 168 Woakes 6
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alfie wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote:Lyon gets Ali again. Lucky to get to 20 really, Cummins should have swallowed that 6.
Bit harsh , LD. Ball sort of kept going...and he didn't know where the rope was . Would have been a great catch if he'd taken it.
Moeen couldn't make it count . Really think he should have throttled back after getting away with those first few shots : he had surely at least set the bowlers back a little by his aggression - why not push a few singles and make sure he was settled at the crease before trying to really dominate ? The longer he made them bowl the better , no ?
You misunderstand alfie. I realise Cummins didn't know where the rope was. Wasn't having a go at him at all. Back in your box.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that.
Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.
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Partnership now building nicely. Up to 32. Bird whistles one past Woakes outside edge.
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alfie wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:England have made a big tactical error in playing bowlers. If they had followed my innovative idea of just 11 batsmen, the series would currently be 0-0 and England would have been on course to retain the urn with a winless series draw.
https://www.606v2.com/t66827-brand-new-idea-for-underdog-test-teams
Wind up of the year ?
Problem is they are flat out finding six batsmen...
If England fielded 11 batsmen who all played negatively (left the balls outside off stump), they could have gritted their way to 3 draws by now.
As for the line up, it would look something like this if I was in charge:
Cook
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If this pair can bat through until tea England will be in a good position with a chance to force a lead of 50 to 100.
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The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
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Just seeing one or two balls taking pieces out of the top of the pitch. 340 for 6. Cook 170 Woakes 9. Partnership of 33.
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Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket at its best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
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CaledonianCraig wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
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Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket atbits best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
Fair point, it is very negative. However, would you not prefer to see England retain the urn with draws rather than losing in the manner they have done so far?
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Flintoff01 wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket atbits best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
Fair point, it is very negative. However, would you not prefer to see England retain the urn with draws rather than losing in the manner they have done so far?
No.
Next proposal...
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The 350 up for England.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket atbits best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
Fair point, it is very negative. However, would you not prefer to see England retain the urn with draws rather than losing in the manner they have done so far?
No.
Next proposal...
Totally agree.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that.
Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.
Haha...I see The Dog is going to disagree with me on principle today
I don't think either catch was easy. But Smith is an excellent fieldsman and I think he'd be annoyed he didn't cling on. As a bowler , I'd say thanks , saved four !
Cummins on the other hand is a big tall fast bowler ...can't expect him to do a Maxwell Special on the boundary...
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Things going England's way. Woakes edging through slips for 4 and runs coming more freely. The 50 partnership up. England 360 for 6 and they lead by 33.
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The Loaded Dog wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket atbits best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
Fair point, it is very negative. However, would you not prefer to see England retain the urn with draws rather than losing in the manner they have done so far?
No.
Next proposal...
Flintoff is just messing with us , chaps...
Must say I'm amused at the thought of a football team lining up with ten goalies...would bring a new level to the notion of Parking the Bus
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alfie wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that.
Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.
Haha...I see The Dog is going to disagree with me on principle today
I don't think either catch was easy. But Smith is an excellent fieldsman and I think he'd be annoyed he didn't cling on. As a bowler , I'd say thanks , saved four !
Cummins on the other hand is a big tall fast bowler ...can't expect him to do a Maxwell Special on the boundary...
It really was a mighty tough chance and lets not forget he is ill. England go into tea on 360 for 6. Cook bats on and is 173 not out and Woakes 26.
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BBC commentary team & Michael Vaughn discussing Moeen. Moeen is described as a batsman who can also spin bowl. Vaughn was alarmed at Moeen's 14 ball cameo saying it was indicative of someone who had lost all confidence in his batting and a mind in severe turmoil. Of all the conditions for batting these were the best for Moeen in this Ashes series, very slow wicket, no Starc, bowling speeds equivalent to what he is used to in England. He displayed no batting judgement - instead he resorted to playground one dimensional heave-hos. Vaughn reckons Moeen is in a deep dark place, says he is a very good batsman but is in a hole at the moment. He also says England need to find an alternative spin bowler.
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alfie wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Flintoff01 wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote: Your proposal is complete bollox, Flintoff!
(not you Craig)
Why, what would you change ? In reflection , a potential question mark could be the ineligibility of Duckett because of his behaviour, however with Anderson not in the team, the team chemistry wouldn't be affected too negatively.
What a hideous idea. It is anti-cricket atbits best. It is akin to suggesting a football team starts with 11 goalkeepers in its team.
Fair point, it is very negative. However, would you not prefer to see England retain the urn with draws rather than losing in the manner they have done so far?
No.
Next proposal...
Flintoff is just messing with us , chaps...
Must say I'm amused at the thought of a football team lining up with ten goalies...would bring a new level to the notion of Parking the Bus
I'm not messing with anyone. However the football analogy is a good one. Sometimes top managers like Mourinho do play negatively to give the team the best outcome.
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alfie wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that.
Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.
Haha...I see The Dog is going to disagree with me on principle today
I don't think either catch was easy. But Smith is an excellent fieldsman and I think he'd be annoyed he didn't cling on. As a bowler , I'd say thanks , saved four !
Cummins on the other hand is a big tall fast bowler ...can't expect him to do a Maxwell Special on the boundary...
Smith is a brilliant fielder and yes, I'm sure he would be annoyed it didn't stick (like the others). Saved 4 but could easily have injured a hand too.
As for Cummins... he's a superb athlete with a great pair of hands. He just misjudged where the rope was. One or two steps closer to the rope then he was in the perfect position to take it.
Nothing about principle, old chap. Just seeing it how it was.
Don't worry... I won't be writing a long winded post match diatribe full of "what ifs" and "could have beens".
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No name Bertie wrote:BBC commentary team & Michael Vaughn discussing Moeen. Moeen is described as a batsman who can also spin bowl. Vaughn was alarmed at Moeen's 14 ball cameo saying it was indicative of someone who had lost all confidence in his batting and a mind in severe turmoil. Of all the conditions for batting these were the best for Moeen in this Ashes series, very slow wicket, no Starc, bowling speeds equivalent to what he is used to in England. He displayed no batting judgement - instead he resorted to playground one dimensional heave-hos. Vaughn reckons Moeen is in a deep dark place, says he his a good batsman but is in a hole at the moment. He also says England need to find an alternative spin bowler.
Very perceptive of Vaughan.
Unfortunately he probably has no more chance than any of us of magically conjuring up a new Swann...
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The Loaded Dog wrote:alfie wrote:The Loaded Dog wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:alfie wrote:CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.
Probably should have caught that.
Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.
Haha...I see The Dog is going to disagree with me on principle today
I don't think either catch was easy. But Smith is an excellent fieldsman and I think he'd be annoyed he didn't cling on. As a bowler , I'd say thanks , saved four !
Cummins on the other hand is a big tall fast bowler ...can't expect him to do a Maxwell Special on the boundary...
Smith is a brilliant fielder and yes, I'm sure he would be annoyed it didn't stick (like the others). Saved 4 but could easily have injured a hand too.
As for Cummins... he's a superb athlete with a great pair of hands. He just misjudged where the rope was. One or two steps closer to the rope then he was in the perfect position to take it.
Nothing about principle, old chap. Just seeing it how it was.
Don't worry... I won't be writing a long winded post match diatribe full of "what ifs" and "could have beens".
You can if you like , Dog
I hope you aren't suggesting I am in the habit of doing so ?
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