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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 24 Dec 2017, 12:21 pm

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4th Test; Venue: Melbourne Cricket Ground; Dates: 26-30 December (23:30 GMT, 25 December)

Expected XIs:

Australia:
Bancroft, Warner, Khawaja, Smith *, S Marsh, M Marsh, Paine †, Bird, Cummins, Lyon, Hazelwood

England:
Cook, Stoneman, Vince, Root *, Malan, Bairstow †, Ali, Woakes, Curran, Broad, Anderson

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:25 am

England at tea looking to sit down in the boxseat after tea. They can have one eye on a lead of 100.
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:26 am

alfie wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:
alfie wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Cook drives hard at Smith who almost pulls off a stupendous catch at mid-off. England 318 for 6 and trail by 9.

Probably should have caught that.

Ha. Easy for you to say! Very harsh indeed. The ball was travelling and he had less than half a second to react.

Haha...I see The Dog is going to disagree with me on principle today Smile

I don't think either catch was easy.  But Smith is an excellent fieldsman and I think he'd be annoyed he didn't cling on.  As a bowler , I'd say thanks , saved four !

Cummins on the other hand is a big tall fast bowler ...can't expect him to do a Maxwell Special on the boundary...


Smith is a brilliant fielder and yes, I'm sure he would be annoyed it didn't stick (like the others). Saved 4 but could easily have injured a hand too.

As for Cummins... he's a superb athlete with a great pair of hands. He just misjudged where the rope was. One or two steps closer to the rope then he was in the perfect position to take it.

Nothing about principle, old chap. Just seeing it how it was.
Don't worry... I won't be writing a long winded post match diatribe full of "what ifs" and "could have beens". Smile

You can if you like  , Dog Smile

I hope you aren't suggesting I am in the habit of doing so ?

It's better to just accept you were well beaten ,surely?

Maybe not a habit just yet... but it sometimes doesn't read too well from the other point of view if one was to be pedantic about it. Wink
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:38 am

England continuing to build. They are 365 for 6. Cook eyeing a double hundred is 178 and Woakes 36. Yhe lead now 38 and the partnership a very handy 58.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:39 am

Oh. Must confess I did not realize I had been getting up your nose in that manner.
I certainly accept that Australia have deservedly won this series : and thought I'd conveyed that. I don't think they're some massively superior team though ; so I didn't think it unreasonable to discuss some of England's errors which have contributed to the margin of defeat ...sorry if that doesn't "read too well" from your side of the kennel ...

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:41 am

Bouncer from Cummins does the trick. Woakes tries to hook it but gloves it behind to Paine.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:43 am

Lead at 39. England 366 for 7. What can the debutant offer with the bat?


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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:43 am

Woakes gone gloving to the keeper. Not the start England wanted after tea.

Cook running low on partners. How will young Curran handle this situation ? I reckon he will cop some short stuff...

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Post by No name Bertie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:43 am

Have England used any of their batting reviews?  As far as I can tell they haven't.  

Apart from Vince and Malan the wickets were clear cut requiring no review.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:47 am

No name Bertie wrote:Have England used any of their batting reviews?  As far as I can tell they haven't.  

Apart from Vince and Malan the wickets were clear cut requiring no review.

No reviews used as yet.if Vince and Malan had used them it would be a different story.
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:47 am

alfie wrote:Oh.  Must confess I did not realize I had been getting up your nose in that manner.
I certainly accept that Australia have deservedly won this series : and thought I'd conveyed that.  I don't think they're some massively superior team though ; so I didn't think it unreasonable to discuss some of England's errors which have contributed to the margin of defeat ...sorry if that doesn't "read too well" from your side of the kennel ...

Superior though not massively superior obviously, alfie. Hard to tease that word out of you. I don't think anyone has suggested they are massively superior? Although it's nice to get a glimpse of how your mind works! Smile

Good to see Cummins recovering from his illness... though I wouldn't have minded seeing Woakes score a dozen more for the sake of the tipping comp.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:48 am

England 367 for 7 and have a lead of 40. Will Cook reach 200 or will he run out of partners?
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:51 am

A streaky four through slips for Curran for his first test match runs.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 4:57 am

England 373 for 7 and lead is 46. Cook on 182 and Curran 4.
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Post by No name Bertie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:00 am

I get the feeling that Cook is highly focussed, is avoiding risky shots, and grafting.  The conditions here are better for him in this test and he is really making the most of the situation.  So far he has kept this test match open and is giving England a chance.  This might even end up as a draw (which should please flintoff01).  It is a shame about Vince and Malan, especially Malan as he seemed to be in form and his was a clear cut bat before wicket.  

ps I am only listening to this on BBC radio and checking the BBC website from time to time.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:02 am

Cook staying strong but looking fatigued in his running. Very understandable. Curran to face Hazlewood.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:04 am

Review for caught behind off Curran.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:04 am

And hotspot shows faint nick. Curran out for 4 and England 373 for 8.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:05 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:
alfie wrote:Oh.  Must confess I did not realize I had been getting up your nose in that manner.
I certainly accept that Australia have deservedly won this series : and thought I'd conveyed that.  I don't think they're some massively superior team though ; so I didn't think it unreasonable to discuss some of England's errors which have contributed to the margin of defeat ...sorry if that doesn't "read too well" from your side of the kennel ...

Superior though not massively superior obviously, alfie. Hard to tease that word out of you. I don't think anyone has suggested they are massively superior? Although it's nice to get a glimpse of how your mind works!  Smile

Good to see Cummins recovering from his illness... though I wouldn't have minded seeing Woakes score a dozen more for the sake of the tipping comp.

I should probably back out of this whole thing ; but just to be clear I am not interesting in offering excuses for the one-sided scoreline. If I spend more time (though I do think "long winded diatribe " is a little on the insulting side of banter ) on musing on what England might do to get back in the contest than on praising the victors it is because you can only say Steve Smith is a super batsman so many times before it becomes dead boring...perhaps not from your side of the fence.
My mind - when it works at all - is often given to flippancy. Perhaps that isn't always obvious.

Anyway , enough , I think. I won't address this further.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:06 am

Broad comes to the wicket with Cook on 182 and lead on 46.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:08 am

Cracking bouncer that from Hazlewood but Broad survives.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:09 am

Curran not lasting long. Hazlewood getting his third (well deserved ; he has bowled very well in unhelpful conditions) ...and ironically once again the batsman was unaware he had edged it Smile

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:11 am

Looks like the double century will evade Cook. England 374 for 8.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:15 am

Cook probably too weary to go ballistic now he's left with the bunnies...and not really the type anyway. So I suppose you are right there Craig.
Hard to see Broad lasting too long. He's not going to get too many in his half...

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:17 am

The lead reaches 50. England 377 for 8. Cook 185 Broad 1.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:20 am

What a eeird shot that was. Broad gets a boundary.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:23 am

England 382 for 8. The lead is 55. Cook 185 Broad 6.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:25 am

Broad mis-times a hook and top edges it over the keeper for 4.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:28 am

A great drive for 4 by Cook takes him to 190. England 392 for 8. The lead now 65.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:30 am

Lyon now to Broad.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:34 am

A handy mini-partnership now of 20.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:37 am

England 399 for 8. Cook 191 Broad 17. The lead now 72.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:38 am

Cook down the wicket to Lyon and goes aerial for a 4. The 400 up for England and Cook 195.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:41 am

Some valuable runs being added here. Wasn't at all sure we'd see 400 up after those late middle order wickets fell in a hurry.

Made it to evening drinks ! Time for a dram for me too , I think...

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:42 am

England 406 for 8. Cook on 197 and Broad 18. The lead now 79. Double hundred maybe on after all. Becoming a very handy partnership now into the 30s.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:44 am

Cook setting all sorts of records and passing milestones with this knock.
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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:47 am

That's it. Brilliant knock from Cook!
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:47 am

Take a bow Alastair Cook he gets a double century and passes Wally Hammond's record for highest score by an Englishman at the MCG.
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Post by Gooseberry on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:48 am

Good on him...hope he carries his bat now and shuts Boycotts ego up

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:51 am

Crefit to Broad as well for supporting him. He has been peppered but is still there on 22.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:52 am

England 416 for 8. The lead is 89. Cook 203 Broad 22.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:54 am

Double hundred it is Yahoo

Delighted for Chef. Under a hell of a lot of pressure coming into this match - responded brilliantly. Suppose there will be cries of "too late" from some quarters (which I'm sure he will have in his own mind : he is very much a team man , and would certainly have wished to do this while the Ashes were still live ) ; but I'm not interested in nit picking.

Should bury the rubbish about considering retirement for a while : doesn't look ready for pipe and slippers just yet Smile

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:55 am

A dreamy drive for 4 by Broad now to bring up annunlikely 50 partnership. Lead now 96.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:57 am

Bowlers looking tired now. A long day in the field. Broad runs a quick 2. Lead 98.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:59 am

The lead passes the 100..England 428 for 8. Cook 209 Broad 28.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 5:59 am

And it is party time. Broad smashes Lyon for 6.
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Post by alfie on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 6:03 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:Crefit to Broad as well for supporting him. He has been peppered but is still there on 22.

Indeed. As I've said all along : the tailenders are capable of standing up (given the odd bit of fortune) provided they are paired with a proper batsman who takes them seriously and gives them an incentive to risk some lumps.

It was unreasonable to expect the likes of Broad and Ball to risk injury when the Bairstow/Woakes types were throwing their own wickets away before they'd even faced a couple of balls. Steve Waugh was the master of batting with the tail...because he trusted them ; to the point where his bowlers ended up thinking they were better than they were ...if you know what I mean. It worked.

Sixer from Broad and the lead is over 100...

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 6:03 am

Highest score on the MCG by a non-Australian... Cook's 212* runs surpassing Viv's 208.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 6:06 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:Highest score on the MCG by a non-Australian... Cook's 212* runs surpassing Viv's 208.

He is racking up plenty of records and passing plenty of milestones in this knock.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 6:09 am

Broad now eyeing a half century. Moves onto 43. The lead 121. England 448 for 8. Cook on 214.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Thu 28 Dec 2017, 6:11 am

The 450 up for England. Cook 215 and Broad 44.
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