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Post by 3fingers on Sat 30 Dec 2017, 12:56 am

First topic message reminder :

Fights I want to see in '18.

Alexanda vs ortis and Whyte vs Brown.

What do you want?

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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Wed 20 Mar 2019, 10:00 am

Garcia should have a tune up at light welter after a lay off and then he’ll be fresh again. Wouldn’t say he was massively ruined by Spence and maybe has a bit a kudos by taking a jump to a weight class he is clearly not in and surviving.

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Post by milkyboy on Wed 20 Mar 2019, 11:56 am

Always a bridge too far for Mikey. Career feather who maybe matured into lightweight against a guy who cuts weight to make welter.

Duran was a career lightweight who moved up as he aged, and hadn’t fought as a lightweight for over two years by the time he fought Leonard.

Hell of a win, for Duran and a great fight, but Garcia was making the bigger leap from a size, and fight night weight perspective... if not a talent perspective... so not really a direct comparison.

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Post by TheSquaredCircle on Wed 20 Mar 2019, 8:45 pm

Great stuff reading about these legendary fighters. Interesting to compare weight class movers from past era and present. I guess the anatomy and physiology of the body doesn’t change over decades but training methods/weight cutting etc has changed.just wonder how that changes the comparisons between them from that era and now?

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 20 Mar 2019, 11:17 pm

What a race obsessed to$$er he is Dontae

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Thu 28 Mar 2019, 9:14 pm

Undisputed cruiserweight champion Oleksandr Usyk has vacated his WBA title ahead of his move to heavyweight. Thus fragmenting the championship.

Champion in recess Denis Lebedev was mandatory for Usyk but the Russian will now fight someone else for his old title

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Post by Mr Bounce on Thu 28 Mar 2019, 11:06 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:Undisputed cruiserweight champion Oleksandr Usyk has vacated his WBA title ahead of his move to heavyweight. Thus fragmenting the championship.

Champion in recess Denis Lebedev was mandatory for Usyk but the Russian will now fight someone else for his old title

http://www.espn.co.uk/boxing/story/_/id/26379169/cruiserweight-champ-usyk-moving-weight

He's apparently going to fight Carlos Takam. I think that the champions would do well to be worried about Usyk. He's quite a fighter. Would be good to see how he handles getting tagged by a full-sized heavyweight professional though. I would love to see him in with Fury - I think Fury would have his work cut out in that fight. not one for the purists unless Usyk carries a punch up with him... Would Hearn put him in against AJ? Probably not for a while, but if Usyk were to pick up Wilder's belt, it could happen. However, it's unlikely Wilder would go anywhere near him.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Fri 29 Mar 2019, 12:08 pm

Usyk is set to be made WBO heavyweight mandatory but that mandatory is due until January 2020. As per WBO rules a champion becomes mandatory when they move up. Once again current WBO mandatory Dillian Whyte left on the outside looking in.

Wilder won’t fight Usyk considering he won’t fight on any network other than Showtime

I think Fury’s a little too big for Usyk. Fury is 2m and probably 50-60lbs heavier.

Hearn is all about the money so he’ll put all his eggs on Joshua vs Usyk. Usyk is the far superior boxer but Joshua is still considerably bigger in size

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon 01 Apr 2019, 12:19 am

A few results from this weekend

Light heavyweight world champion Oleksandr Gvozdyk retained his titles with a fifth round TKO victory after challenger Doudou Ngumbu suffered a leg injury. ‘The Nail’ was dominate throughout.

Blue chip prospect Ryan Garcia destroyed Jose Lopez inside 2 rounds.

Liam Smith battered an overmatched Sam Eggington into a fifth round stoppage. Smith won the vacant WBC silver 154 belt.

Scott Fitzgerald beat bitter rival Anthony Fowler by split decision. Fitzgerald got the crucial knockdown in the final round that won him the fight.

David Price beat Kash Ali by DQ after Ali bit Price numerous times. A rather dreadful fight. Price proclaimed after he wants the winner of Dave Allen vs Lucas Browne...

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Post by RealDeal on Tue 02 Apr 2019, 11:52 am

I read this site loads, don't contribute very much at all, so feel like a bit of a hypocrite writing this. This thread though has ruined this already almost dead forum. Anyone can post any topic on this thread, when most of time it would make perfect sense to start a new thread with a new topic. Everything can fall under some 2018 Boxing chat.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 11 Apr 2019, 5:38 am

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 11 Apr 2019, 5:48 am

‘As easy as an hour meeting to get done’

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 2:17 pm

‘Too much, too hard, too swift, too strong. Straight out the gate’

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 23 May 2019, 10:36 am

Who you got in this one? suddenly looking forward to it they both sounding confident

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 25 May 2019, 7:59 pm

I’d normally go for Manny in this but Keith talking a good game as usual I really don’t know. Best fight with Manny since Floyd

Floyd needs to see Keith if he beats Manny

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 25 May 2019, 9:58 pm

True champion Manny still fighting the new generation of Welterweight elite boxers unlike Floyd

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 26 May 2019, 4:26 pm

The true question is does the version of Thurman that beat Porter and Garcia still exist? Or it that just a memory now? He was woeful in his comeback fight

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Post by Derbymanc on Sun 26 May 2019, 5:15 pm

Let it go Hermy, Floyds retired and did so after schooling Manny. Personally would like to see Pac man retire now before he ends up ruining his legacy.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 27 May 2019, 1:45 am

Manny can’t ruin his legacy

His resume is too deep

Surely ..

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 27 May 2019, 10:45 am

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The true question is does the version of Thurman that beat Porter and Garcia still exist? Or it that just a memory now? He was woeful in his comeback fight

Didn’t see it but everyone said he was woeful. There’ll be no rust this time though he says

So is this his cash out or has he played it cute and he comes back to his best for the fight of his life?

And is that version you speak of good enough to beat your Mannys Spences or Floyds or is he just behind? Least we get to find out thanks to the senator stepping up like a champ

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon 27 May 2019, 2:35 pm

Manny obviously is vastly passed his best but he can still bang and Thurman was badly hurt by Josesito Lopez whom isn’t a puncher by any stretch of the imagination. 

This opportunity for Thurman is essentially the last chance saloon cash out retirement bout or the fight that proves he’s still the king at 147. 

Thurman was at his best against Porter and Garcia, for me he won both fights clearly. 

Whether ‘One Time’ at his peak could’ve been Floyd or Manny is unknown as Thurman’s career has been littered with long absences from the ring.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 27 May 2019, 5:25 pm

Derbymanc wrote:Let it go Hermy, Floyds retired and did so after schooling Manny. Personally would like to see Pac man retire now before he ends up ruining his legacy.

You’re right Floyd did school Manny’s ass no need to see that one again I think

Manny still got a deeper resume than Floyd though and it keeps getting better

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Post by Derbymanc on Tue 28 May 2019, 2:06 pm

Unfortunately Hermy I think he can ruin it, if he starts losing to lesser fighters (Jeff Horn comes to mind) then people will jump on it sadly. He's very similar to Floyd in that people are desperate to see him fail so they can say how they were right and he was pants (idiots).

He's a fantastic fighter, has a great legacy but i'd like him to retire at the top (or near to it) and not end up like a RJJ jr

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 28 May 2019, 5:10 pm

Difference maybe between Jones and Manny is Roy fell off a cliff after the Tarver loss no significant wins after that

Manny came back after his losses to virtually(bar Floyd) dominate the pack

One or two losses though and Manny will pack it in, I’m sure. He won’t hang around long enough to do any damage to his legacy

Roy maybe wasn’t as good as a lot of people thought(and still think) but he’s still an atg. So has he really damaged his legacy as much as you say? You can’t take away what he’s achieved

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Post by smashingstormcrow on Wed 29 May 2019, 10:01 am

Is this really last chance saloon for Thurman? I don't think so, personally. One scrappy fight (after two years out) is forgivable I think, and at his age, he should be in his prime. I think if Thurman shows up for this, I'd pick him to win. And a Thurman win is better for boxing, announcing himself as a legit challenger to Crawford and Spence. That's what I want to see!! Rather than a former great showing the world that he's still got it.

Manny has had an awesome career, and you could argue that he's earned the right to keep fighting for as long as he feels competitive. On the plus side, his presence still adds intrigue and global box-office appeal to the division. But on the flipside, if he's no longer able to challenge for the top spot (I don't see him giving Crawford too many problems), then why hang around? What is he trying to prove? Why risk losing to lesser fighters?

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Post by No name Bertie on Thu 30 May 2019, 12:50 am

Herman Jaeger wrote:Difference maybe between Jones and Manny is Roy fell off a cliff after the Tarver loss no significant wins after that
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Roy maybe wasn’t as good as a lot of people thought(and still think) but he’s still an atg. So has he really damaged his legacy as much as you say? You can’t take away what he’s achieved
Roy Jones Jr was one of the best boxers of all time in the middleweight - super-middleweight divisions. Then he started his body changing climb all the way up to heavyweight because presumably that was where the money was. Age and fighting way above his natural weight division was his ultimate downfall.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 30 May 2019, 8:24 am

Hope I didn’t offend you with those comments, you’re clearly a massive Jones fan

He certainly was outstanding when he was at the top of his game

But Manny Pacquiao that’s a real resume for longevity at the highest level.  A totally different question here- who rated higher all time great wise Pacquiao or Ray Leonard, saw a few fans debating it on you tube the other day is why I ask

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 7:37 pm

No chance I’m paying for the fight tonight if you’re paying for that you’re a mug

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 8:28 pm

Sky just can’t stop ripping people off can they just can’t help themselves. You’d have thought they’d have given this one

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Post by Derbymanc on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 8:53 pm

Leonard in my opinion Hermy, (he's also above Mayweather). To be fair though only time will tell :-)

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 9:57 pm

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 01 Jun 2019, 11:10 pm

https://youtu.be/4SS7sKCCkRE

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 15 Jun 2019, 11:50 pm

Joke

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 2:35 am

Any neutral boxing fan must be feeling a bit sorry for Barry Awad this morning, he clearly won that fight

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 16 Jun 2019, 12:44 pm

I do hope BT are going to allow commentators to continue to remain impartial or it’s going to become a turn off

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:29 pm

Plenty of people happy with the result though, maybe Galahad should have thrown a few more combinations but equally can you win a fight by punching thin air all night? It is what it is. Santa Cruz is going to be a very difficult fight for Warrington


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Post by Herman Jaeger on Mon 17 Jun 2019, 8:58 pm

Boxing masterclass or stunk the place out, it seems to have divided people this one

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Post by smashingstormcrow on Tue 18 Jun 2019, 10:30 am

The fight certainly seems to have divided opinion. Of course you can't really put Kid Galahad in the same category as Bernard Hopkins, but... I think there are similarities. Hopkins would try to disrupt his opponent's rhythm, slow the pace, spoil, and not throw a lot. Hit-and-hold... counterpunch. I appreciated his ringcraft, but it didn't always make for a thrilling fight. Similar to Galahad/Warrington, many of his fights certainly weren't always easy to score.

I'm not sure we can totally blame Galahad for an uneventful fight, though. Warrington seemed a bit tentative.. didn't seem to commit in the ring, the way he did against Frampton.

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Tue 18 Jun 2019, 4:42 pm

I think it’s Barry not Warrington who should be making a wad against Leo Run

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 20 Jun 2019, 2:14 pm

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 20 Jun 2019, 7:48 pm

Anyone who’s been popped for peds it should be mandatory that they are vada tested for all their fights there on and the fighter should have to pay for it regardless of their purse? It’s not a bad idea

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Post by Mr Bounce on Fri 21 Jun 2019, 11:02 pm

Good idea in principle, but Canelo's so rich it'd be pointless for him. Cash talks. He has a truckload. He only got 6 months for a blatant breach. He's now unified MW champ after a close (some say rigged) decision. Where's the justice in that? Forget it - he's minted, he sells well so that's alright then. It's a joke.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sat 22 Jun 2019, 11:31 am

Just turned on the Boxing to see some young Latvian girl get assaulted in front of a baying crowd..

Sick people..

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 23 Jun 2019, 9:28 am

https://youtu.be/S2pu2qo5o3c

https://www.boxingoverbroadway.com/max-baer-barney-ross-jewish-heroes-boxing/

https://www.thefightcity.com/may-31-1938-ross-vs-armstrong/

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 23 Jun 2019, 11:54 am

Andy Ruiz, Jr says he will beat Joshua again because Joshua is rubbish at boxing (lacks boxing skills).  He says Joshua punches hard but he can take them - it was only the one that he didn't see that floored him - that affectively woke Ruiz up.  Joshua landed several times on Ruiz's head following that knock down - but he was able to withstand them all as he was then able to see them all coming.  But Joshua was unable to handle Ruiz's speed and clusters of punches and power.

Similarly Freddie Roach says Ruiz beats Joshua in the rematch.  He says that Joshua has regressed since the Klitshko fight - bulkening up more with muscles and gassing in mid to latter rounds.   Says Ruiz had the skills to breakdown Joshua and the power and speed to finish him off when Joshua gets into trouble. Roach says he likes Joshua (he thinks he is a good kid) and could help Joshua to improve - but does not want to be seen as attempting to poach fighters from other training stables.  He says Joshua showed good skills as an amateur in the Olympics but that especially after the Klitshko fight has regressed and is relying too much on the false security of bulkening up.

It seems more and more of the informed discussion is pointing to this.

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Post by TRUSSMAN66 on Sun 23 Jun 2019, 12:05 pm

I like informed discussion.....Heard it for years on here about how Marquez and Mayweather wouldn't be able to handle Manny's work rate..

Freddie Roach is never wrong..

I predict a motivated Joshua beats Ruiz...Like a motivated Lewis beat Rahman and a motivated Norris beat Brown..

Seem to recall experts saying Brown had Norris number..

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Wed 26 Jun 2019, 7:42 am

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Thu 04 Jul 2019, 1:43 pm

https://youtu.be/dj3szDfBFhY

Hope they make Yarde/Kovalev that’s a fan frendly fight

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sat 06 Jul 2019, 1:06 pm

12.05s -  ‘Boxing always has thrived on betting fights’

He could have been talking about Lomachenko/Garcia which could have been a really big attraction before Mikey got beaten, real electric fight, shame he was reluctant to make it for so long only after Mikey’s loss is he keen

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 06 Jul 2019, 7:53 pm

Watching the following video makes me think that boxing is a "sweet science" and depends a lot on training methods and rote learning through practice and transfer to muscle memory (cerebellum - which is the "hind" brain). The following shows Manny Robles putting Andy Ruiz through training exercises involving throwing clusters of punches and avoiding various simulated return punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5STPNla2kGQ

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Post by Herman Jaeger on Sun 07 Jul 2019, 2:52 am

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