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sirbenson- Posts : 2808
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Looks like he's off with Thongchai, supes. Probably a good pairing.
Thought Gullane looked fab, but they could use some wind tomorrow!
Thought Gullane looked fab, but they could use some wind tomorrow!
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
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Your wish is granted, Kwini. There’s a bit of a breeze forecast for tomorrow, with warm sunshine as well Sunday should see more cloud, slightly cooler and slightly less breeze. Sadly we’ve got the first rain for a month forecast on Monday and I’m due to play the final of a knockout
LadyPutt- Posts : 1188
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LadyPutt wrote:Your wish is granted, Kwini. There’s a bit of a breeze forecast for tomorrow, with warm sunshine as well Sunday should see more cloud, slightly cooler and slightly less breeze. Sadly we’ve got the first rain for a month forecast on Monday and I’m due to play the final of a knockout
Hopefully you'll get along to Gullane . . . . . . ?
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
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Unlikely. It’s the other side of the water and quite a way on from Edinburgh. If I could go “as the crow flies” it’s not that far, but rather wet! We’re unlikely to go to Carnoustie either, although it’s not that far but are planning to go to the Senior Open at St Andrews as it’s just up the road We get a better view on Sky TV and the drinks and food are cheaper
LadyPutt- Posts : 1188
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I’m coming up, booked my tickets for Tue & Wed practice days and the 1st round Thurs. I’ve only played 2other courses more than Carnoustie, obviously know it relatively well so really looking forward to watching the Pro’s practice on it.
JAS- Posts : 5094
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Especially with the drought we’re having! Are you bringing your clubs? Do you fancy a game again?JAS wrote:I’m coming up, booked my tickets for Tue & Wed practice days and the 1st round Thurs. I’ve only played 2other courses more than Carnoustie, obviously know it relatively well so really looking forward to watching the Pro’s practice on it.
LadyPutt- Posts : 1188
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kwinigolfer wrote:Looks like he's off with Thongchai, supes. Probably a good pairing.
Thought Gullane looked fab, but they could use some wind tomorrow!
Not too great a round today from Connor. Spoke to his mum today, she thought he felt under pressure from having (briefly) held the course record yesterday. Still a great first year he's having, and showing he's capable of contending. He'll learn how to cope with that side of things, but his game looks more than of a standard to succeed on the European Tour.
super_realist- Posts : 28800
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Had the Scottish Open the last 45 minutes. Almost every approach I’ve seen to 18 has gone long to a pin tucked back right, and clattered into a grandstand that can’t be more than 15 paces from the hole. Simple enough two putt from there with a chance of holing it, no wonder everyone’s going for the flag. Completely ridiculous.
NedB-H- Posts : 2147
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Did you see Robert Rock? Went through the green, hit the fence/grandstand and bounced back onto the green fairly near the flag.
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Did see that not long after I posted Inw, he hit a worse shot than most, overclubbing it, so got a firmer bounce off the wall and got closer to the hole. Complete farce of a setup.
NedB-H- Posts : 2147
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NedB-H wrote:Did see that not long after I posted Inw, he hit a worse shot than most, overclubbing it, so got a firmer bounce off the wall and got closer to the hole. Complete farce of a setup.
Tiger Moobs would love that.
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LadyPutt wrote:Especially with the drought we’re having! Are you bringing your clubs? Do you fancy a game again?JAS wrote:I’m coming up, booked my tickets for Tue & Wed practice days and the 1st round Thurs. I’ve only played 2other courses more than Carnoustie, obviously know it relatively well so really looking forward to watching the Pro’s practice on it.
Hi Ladyputt, yes bringing my clubs (just in case), not sure if i’ll Use them as nursing a shoulder injury and the rest would probably do it good. Also, got accom in Perth and training it in each day (Dundee hotels were just ridiculous). If I do play it would be Tues or Weds late afternoon/early evening.
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Amzing result for Immelman - now he has a European Tour card for 2019!
Put that commentating gig on hold for a while, tho' guess he's behind the mic next week.
Put that commentating gig on hold for a while, tho' guess he's behind the mic next week.
kwinigolfer- Posts : 26476
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But unfortunately Immelmanns OWGR position cost him a spot in The Open.. At #322 Dantorp is nearly 1000 positions higher...
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JAS wrote:LadyPutt wrote:Especially with the drought we’re having! Are you bringing your clubs? Do you fancy a game again?JAS wrote:I’m coming up, booked my tickets for Tue & Wed practice days and the 1st round Thurs. I’ve only played 2other courses more than Carnoustie, obviously know it relatively well so really looking forward to watching the Pro’s practice on it.
Hi Ladyputt, yes bringing my clubs (just in case), not sure if i’ll Use them as nursing a shoulder injury and the rest would probably do it good. Also, got accom in Perth and training it in each day (Dundee hotels were just ridiculous). If I do play it would be Tues or Weds late afternoon/early evening.
Sorry, playing in the Mixed Open at the Dukes tomorrow (Tuesday) and it's my club's Ladies Open on Wednesday and I'm on handicap/cards duty from 8.30 to 6! Never mind, another year. Hope your shoulder improves.
LadyPutt- Posts : 1188
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Just back home after a glorious day st St Andrews watching the first round of the Senior Open. The course looked in great condition but was obviously tricky, especially when the wind got up around midday. Wonderful to watch so many great names in action - we sat beside the 17th green. Sadly Woodsie had to pull out after 14 holes with back trouble and mysteriously Olazabal apparently never teed it up at all - I couldn’t find out why. Now watching the Sky coverage at home so I might learn more. Tomorrow’s forecast is pretty grim with afternoon thunderstorms in the offing. Thanks to a very kind Joe Terry from the PGA of America who is one of the referees and who I met by chance when he and his wife turned up at my club to see the “famous” Lundin Ladies course and I showed him round, I was given two free tickets for all four days. We’re hoping to go again on Sunday as we’re otherwise booked tomorrow and Saturday!
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The EuroTour cannot be happy about this trend. Especially in a Ryder Cup year.
https://twitter.com/VC606/status/1023153739627196421
https://twitter.com/VC606/status/1023153739627196421
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LadyPutt wrote:Just back home after a glorious day st St Andrews watching the first round of the Senior Open. The course looked in great condition but was obviously tricky, especially when the wind got up around midday. Wonderful to watch so many great names in action - we sat beside the 17th green. Sadly Woodsie had to pull out after 14 holes with back trouble and mysteriously Olazabal apparently never teed it up at all - I couldn’t find out why. Now watching the Sky coverage at home so I might learn more. Tomorrow’s forecast is pretty grim with afternoon thunderstorms in the offing. Thanks to a very kind Joe Terry from the PGA of America who is one of the referees and who I met by chance when he and his wife turned up at my club to see the “famous” Lundin Ladies course and I showed him round, I was given two free tickets for all four days. We’re hoping to go again on Sunday as we’re otherwise booked tomorrow and Saturday!
Sounds great LadyP, there are some great names playing enjoy!
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Great to see Tom Watson up there at the top of the Senior leaderboard at 68. Wind up today is probably to his advantage as it limits the younger guys’ ability to shoot the lights out. Wonder if he’d take up his place at Portrush if he won. Should be a fun last day as the leaderboard is full of good personalities of twenty years ago on both tours; Triplett, Jimenez, Sluman, Sandelin.
GPB, there’s been a fuss this week in Irish media about Reed, Bryson, Casey etc showing up this week and not for their “Rolex”. The gist is that the prize purses for the Rolexes are much bigger, but big names are taking guaranteed appearance fee money at other events instead.
It’s a fair complaint but I don’t think the tour has the setup right at all at the moment. Tournaments like this week will struggle even more to survive in the face of the Rolexes concentrating European talent. The European Open has already disappeared twice before for money issues before this current incarnation. If the only way to attract the crowds and sponsors to keep the tournament viable, is to pay the CURRENT MASTERS CHAMPION to appear, then so be it.
And increased prize money at the premium events is distorting the rank and file of the tour. It was ridiculous that Reed was leading the R2D for months from three events, and it’s ridiculous that they’ve needed to create the “access list” system for players to retain cards. The prize purses are so variable that a change to a points based system for the tour rankings is wildly overdue.
GPB, there’s been a fuss this week in Irish media about Reed, Bryson, Casey etc showing up this week and not for their “Rolex”. The gist is that the prize purses for the Rolexes are much bigger, but big names are taking guaranteed appearance fee money at other events instead.
It’s a fair complaint but I don’t think the tour has the setup right at all at the moment. Tournaments like this week will struggle even more to survive in the face of the Rolexes concentrating European talent. The European Open has already disappeared twice before for money issues before this current incarnation. If the only way to attract the crowds and sponsors to keep the tournament viable, is to pay the CURRENT MASTERS CHAMPION to appear, then so be it.
And increased prize money at the premium events is distorting the rank and file of the tour. It was ridiculous that Reed was leading the R2D for months from three events, and it’s ridiculous that they’ve needed to create the “access list” system for players to retain cards. The prize purses are so variable that a change to a points based system for the tour rankings is wildly overdue.
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GPB wrote:The EuroTour cannot be happy about this trend. Especially in a Ryder Cup year.
https://twitter.com/VC606/status/1023153739627196421
Would think that will change next year with the PGA Tour front-loading their schedule and the incentive for Europe to back fill theirs. But smaller European events will suffer even more, which I've always thought Finchem wanted all along. The "Finchem" World Tour if you like.
Biggest boost "Europe" can get would be for others to follow Molinari's example and improve their rankings by winning Majors & WGC's.
PS: Fully agree with Ned's diagnosis . . . . . . . and that this week's Hamburg field is ridiculous.
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I’ve quite enjoyed watching the tour double-dippers tie themselves in knots trying to meet their PGA Tour “new event” criteria this year. I’d love to see the ET introduce a similar rule and require players to turn up at something other than their usual half dozen stops. Trouble is the tour’s events are so vulnerable you can’t rely on any event being there next season anyway.
It’s ultimately going to come down to whether they want half a dozen or so weeks a year when the Rorys, Sergios and Francescos of the world come to town, or whether they want a consistent spread of talent over the year. And if the former, are the finances there to support a full tour of 150-200 players underneath that?
It’s ultimately going to come down to whether they want half a dozen or so weeks a year when the Rorys, Sergios and Francescos of the world come to town, or whether they want a consistent spread of talent over the year. And if the former, are the finances there to support a full tour of 150-200 players underneath that?
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I hadn't realized that DeChambeau had joined the ET. Well at least he is on the RtD standings, and I think that means he joined the ET. Given his precarious position in the RC standings (9th), I was surprised he is playing Germany rather than play in Canada. He has got to think Woods, Mickelson, Kuchar are ahead of him for a Captains.
I don't blame Casey, Perez, Reed, Schwartzel and DeChambeau for taking the appearance money. But tournaments built on a foundation of appearance money are really a house of cards.
IMO Pelley is Commissioner Kneejerk. He is not thinking of the downstream consequences of his decisions. The World Class Players that he is trying cater to are simply not going to play in any more events that they have to play. One of these days, ET officials are going to tighten the Ryder Cup handcuffs to tightly and really alienate the Rory's Rose's and Rahm's of the EuroTour.
I don't blame Casey, Perez, Reed, Schwartzel and DeChambeau for taking the appearance money. But tournaments built on a foundation of appearance money are really a house of cards.
IMO Pelley is Commissioner Kneejerk. He is not thinking of the downstream consequences of his decisions. The World Class Players that he is trying cater to are simply not going to play in any more events that they have to play. One of these days, ET officials are going to tighten the Ryder Cup handcuffs to tightly and really alienate the Rory's Rose's and Rahm's of the EuroTour.
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Amazing win for Richard McEvoy in Germany.
Reed and Professor Bunsen Honeydew (did he blame his Beaker?) faded under European pressure and McEvoy joins a long line of 2001 victorious Walker Cup alumni to win:
Donald, McDowell (off to a nice start in Ontario), Hoey, Dougherty, Warren etc - just took him a bit longer.
Bunsen needs to improve a little if he wants to keep his European Tour card.
Have to agree w/GPB, both on BDeC and Pelley - don't agree with the remedies but that's a whole other story.
Reed and Professor Bunsen Honeydew (did he blame his Beaker?) faded under European pressure and McEvoy joins a long line of 2001 victorious Walker Cup alumni to win:
Donald, McDowell (off to a nice start in Ontario), Hoey, Dougherty, Warren etc - just took him a bit longer.
Bunsen needs to improve a little if he wants to keep his European Tour card.
Have to agree w/GPB, both on BDeC and Pelley - don't agree with the remedies but that's a whole other story.
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PS! Just noticed that europeantour.com show FIVE Par-5's in the final ten holes. That must surely be unique, except for perhaps the 6x3, 6x4, 6x 5 tracks such as the Berkshire (Red or Blue, can't remember)?
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Watched some of the European Open. Was more a battle of the chokers. McEvoy blew it a few times down the back 9, but holed a clutch putt on 18 to win outright.
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Amateur Allen John tied for2nd in Germany. I realise he is deaf. Probably one of the few impairments that could be an advantage in golf?
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pedro wrote:Amateur Allen John tied for2nd in Germany. I realise he is deaf. Probably one of the few impairments that could be an advantage in golf?
Imagine he's distraught at not hearing "In der hole" or "Mashed kartoffel" or "Baba Booey". Should have a bright future without having to listen to that garbage.
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Great Senior Open win by Miguel, holding his nerve with a 12ft par putt at the road hole - after he’d missed a tiddler a few holes back to drop a shot and also missed a shortish one for birdie just before that. Pretty disgusted to see that he only won just under €300,000 for his efforts. Pales into insignificance compared to Molinari’s purse at The Open.
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Are you serious, LP? 300,000k for a senior sports event win is amazing money, that’s about 3x more than I’d expect the winner to get for a low pressure, retirement fund jolly.
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Wow €300k is amazing cash for seniors win. Virtually the same as the prize money for winning the European Open yesterday.
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LadyPutt wrote:Great Senior Open win by Miguel, holding his nerve with a 12ft par putt at the road hole - after he’d missed a tiddler a few holes back to drop a shot and also missed a shortish one for birdie just before that. Pretty disgusted to see that he only won just under €300,000 for his efforts. Pales into insignificance compared to Molinari’s purse at The Open.
300k is pretty amazing for a level of sport that no one really gives a toss about. I went along on Sunday, wasn't even asked to buy a ticket, just walked in, it was incredibly sparse and given that the European Tour must be operating the Seniors Tour on a serious loss leader.
These guys are incredibly lucky to be winning anything given the paucity of interest in that level. I'm assuming you don't expect equality with the actual Open?
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I went on Thursday and there were big crowds, given that it was good weather. I’m not surprised there were few people on Sunday - it was pi**ing down most of the day and most sensible people were at home watching it on TV! I’m not saying the winner should have got €1m but just think the purse was poor, but having seen that everyone who played, regardless of whether they made the cut or not, got paid I supposed they had to spread it more thinly.
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I think it's an excellent "purse" (didn't realise it was a boxing match)
£300k is a hell of a lot of money for a bunch of has-beens.
£300k is a hell of a lot of money for a bunch of has-beens.
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LP - I think Jimenez is happy with the purse!
If any of the seniors believed they were still good enough to earn more money they would contend at a higher level
If any of the seniors believed they were still good enough to earn more money they would contend at a higher level
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The EuroT is co-sanctioning the Fiji International event this week
Exactly one player from Europe in the event. Alejandro Canizeros.
Exactly one player from Europe in the event. Alejandro Canizeros.
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One of the few tournaments where you actually hope to miss the cut.GPB wrote:The EuroT is co-sanctioning the Fiji International event this week
Exactly one player from Europe in the event. Alejandro Canizeros.
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Gaganjeet Bhullar wins Fiji. Guess that gets him a 2019 season exemption. With one European in the field, I just don't see the reasoning why the EuroTour co-sanctions this event.
The tournament did not meet the OWGR's definition of a EuroTour co-sanction as Bhullar only got 14 pts for the win.
BTW- Ernie Els finished T3 shooting a final round 65 (2nd best in Round4) His best finish in a long long time and he earned the most OWGR points since his 5th place finish in the 2016 Quicken Loans tournament. Ernie had fallen to around #800 in the rankings. Hopefully, this finish will give him some confidence.
The tournament did not meet the OWGR's definition of a EuroTour co-sanction as Bhullar only got 14 pts for the win.
BTW- Ernie Els finished T3 shooting a final round 65 (2nd best in Round4) His best finish in a long long time and he earned the most OWGR points since his 5th place finish in the 2016 Quicken Loans tournament. Ernie had fallen to around #800 in the rankings. Hopefully, this finish will give him some confidence.
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Nice synergy in Sweden with Oliver Wilson winning the Robert Karlsson Challenge Tour event - ten years since they were RC team-mates.
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Sunday's play at Portrush next year is a sell-out.
Very cool.
Very cool.
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Freddie Jac playing this week's Nordea - hope that means his son is healthy, and that Freddie is healthy too. First event for about 15 months.
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Scores all over the place at Crans; Steely Dan will be pleased to see Doctor Wu at the (temporary?) head of affairs.
A good weekend for Fitzpatrick to make a statement. Week late and a few dollars short tho' it would be.
A good weekend for Fitzpatrick to make a statement. Week late and a few dollars short tho' it would be.
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Well he’s just gone birdie birdie eagle.....
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Doug Ghim contending on the final day, wonder how many American fans who have followed his amateur success will notice that with the playoffs on at the same time. Wonder if he’ll be the next Brooks/Uihlein taking the European route.
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Nice to see baby Walrus - Kevin Stadler - resurfacing in ... the Netherlands. Of all places
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kouchi wrote:Nice to see baby Walrus - Kevin Stadler - resurfacing in ... the Netherlands. Of all places
The BGS report a 5.0 magnitude earthquake off the Kent coast.
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Did Stadler not say that when the anchoring ban came in he would have to give up pro-golf?
Or has he, like some others, worked out you can still anchor as long as you are subtle about it?
Or has he, like some others, worked out you can still anchor as long as you are subtle about it?
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Dunno. He's been out injured for at least two years.
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What a long strange trip it's been . . . . .
Q-School version.
It seems only yesterday that Casey Wittenberg was playing partner of Tiger Woods when Tont won the 2013 Players. Now he's tied for the lead in a European Tour Qualie in Austria.
And only the day before yesterday that Ty Tryon was the next US hotshot, having $M's bestowed on him by Nike. Now he's tied for 74th in the same qualie.
Q-School version.
It seems only yesterday that Casey Wittenberg was playing partner of Tiger Woods when Tont won the 2013 Players. Now he's tied for the lead in a European Tour Qualie in Austria.
And only the day before yesterday that Ty Tryon was the next US hotshot, having $M's bestowed on him by Nike. Now he's tied for 74th in the same qualie.
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Garcia waking up from his 18 month slumber.
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