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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:30 pm

Task 1
In your teams of 4 i would like you to come up with a plan to get Everton to compete in the top 4 obviously with their takeover it gives you a high budget which will be set at £250m, You may also sell players via their TM Price but anyone bought for this season will not be eligible to be sold (Including Fat Sam). Incoming players must be realistic.

Money may be put towards other things such as youth facilities & staff etc

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Post by Hero Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:37 pm

Don't mind on the captain role on whoever wants it.

Questions I'd want clarifying though are...

Wages? Is that not a factor?
In what timeframe is competing in the top 4? This season, next season, within 5 years, within 10?

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:40 pm

If we're using TM and using the fantasy league example then wages wouldn't come into it I feel.

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Post by Hero Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:41 pm

So players available on a free in the summer are game despite their wage bill.

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:42 pm

I think we need to compile a list of questions to take back to Nando before we begin

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Post by Brooksey79 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:48 pm

lads.....

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:49 pm

Questions to ask Nando:
1. Will wages be factored in?
2. What is the timeframe to achieve the target?
3. Will we be able to sign free agents in the summer or will we have to go by TM Values?

Any more?

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Post by Hero Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:51 pm

That's all that's coming to mind at present for me.

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:55 pm

One thing to remember, even though we can only make realistic transfers anyway, is that we'd also need to sign players that would fit into Big Sam's style of play, no point trying to sign a handful of Serie A/Bundesliga/La Liga wonderkids as for this task the manager is irreplaceable.

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 12:58 pm

While I'm this far in, I may as well declare myself in for the captain's position this round Laugh

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Post by Brooksey79 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:03 pm

yea go for it... has Walcott signed yet?

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Post by Afro Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:13 pm

Brooksey79 wrote:yea go for it... has Walcott signed yet?

Announcement expected imminently
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Post by Fernando Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:14 pm

Answers to your questions

1. Will wages be factored in? A yearly wage would need to be specified & deducted from Budget (This may include Sign on fees/Bonuses
2. What is the timeframe to achieve the target? 18 months as Mr Moshiri would like to see a return on his money put into the club
3. Will we be able to sign free agents in the summer or will we have to go by TM Values? - Free agents will be £0 but remember all signings must be realistic so Ozil or Alexis would be a no-no

If Theo signs before the end of the task he will be added to your squad at no extra cost.

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Post by Brooksey79 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:23 pm

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:38 pm

So basically I think we need to build a boss defence
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Post by Hero Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:41 pm

States in the OP players bought this season cannot be sold but if timeframe is 18 months then surely at the end of this season we can move them on?

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Post by Hero Wed 17 Jan 2018, 1:46 pm

Everton wage bill as of November, obviously Barkley and Mirallas are off that bill now.

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Jordan Pickford£60,000New signing30-06-2022
Maarten Stekelenburg£25,00030-06-2019
Joel Robles£20,00030-06-2018
Ashley Williams£75,00030-06-2019
Phil Jagielka£50,00030-06-2018
Michael Keane£60,000New signing30-06-2022
Seamus Coleman£38,00030-06-2019
Ramiro Funes Mori£40,00030-06-2020
Leighton Baines£70,00030-06-2019
Mason Holgate£7,50030-06-2020
Idrissa Gueye£45,00030-06-2020
Morgan Schneiderlin£120,00030-06-2021 
Ross Barkley£40,00030-06-2018
Yannick Bolasie£80,00030-06-2021
Gylfi Sigurdsson£150,000New signing30-06-2022 
Davy Klaassen£100,000New signing30-06-2022 
Tom Davies£6,000New contract30-06-2022 
Aaron Lennon£50,00030-06-2018
James McCarthy£50,00030-06-2020
Ademola Lookman£23,00030-06-2021
Muhamed Besic£25,00030-06-2021
Kevin Mirallas£70,00030-06-2018
Sandro Ramirez£120,000New signing30-06-2021
Wayne Rooney£150,000New signing30-06-2019
Oumar Niasse£55,00030-06-2020
Dominic Calvert-Lewin£2,500New contract30-06-2022

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Post by Fluxy Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:21 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:So basically I think we need to build a boss defence

Sorry guys, only just seen this starting!

Agree with Olly, a good spine would be the top priority. Although do we want to look at some money going toward the academy? Everton bring through some decent players, but for a long-term/sustainable approach perhaps some budget pushed that way?

Just an idea.

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:32 pm

How do we calculate the wage bill? Over the next 18 months?

As self appointed captain, I'd like Olly and Tino to begin scouting, looking for real life players who would improve Everton while being affordable, consider players out of contract in the summer, or out of favour at their current club, and who would fit the Big Sam way.

I'd like Hero and Fluxy to focus on the existing wage bill, presuming the wage bill total over the next 18 months would come off the £250m budget, look for ways to cut the wage bill down without losing too many players, and also look into how much money we'd raise from Transfermarkt selling players we currently have but won't need.

Any objections let me know, and any ideas please share them. I'll try and help across both.

We've got a whole week to do this. Make the most of the ability to PM each other if some ideas don't need to be open to the other team seeing them.

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Post by Fernando Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:37 pm

Will our wage bill total over the next 18 months come off of our £250m budget?

Nope, This is solely for improving Everton as a whole but any new players will remove money from the £250m budget to add to the wage bill

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:39 pm

Spell it out to me please. Is our budget £250m minus wages (and if so over 12 or 18 months?) or is it £250m plus wages?

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Post by Fernando Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:40 pm

£250m minus wages of new players only over 18 months

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Post by Fluxy Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:44 pm

Marky wrote:How do we calculate the wage bill? Over the next 18 months?

As self appointed captain, I'd like Olly and Tino to begin scouting, looking for real life players who would improve Everton while being affordable, consider players out of contract in the summer, or out of favour at their current club, and who would fit the Big Sam way.

I'd like Hero and Fluxy to focus on the existing wage bill, presuming the wage bill total over the next 18 months would come off the £250m budget, look for ways to cut the wage bill down without losing too many players, and also look into how much money we'd raise from Transfermarkt selling players we currently have but won't need.

Any objections let me know, and any ideas please share them. I'll try and help across both.

We've got a whole week to do this. Make the most of the ability to PM each other if some ideas don't need to be open to the other team seeing them.

Can give it a go, who do we want to lose?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:46 pm

this has become a freakin maths exercise more than a building a side one you moomin
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 17 Jan 2018, 2:47 pm

imo need to shed Stekelenberg, Williams, Jags, Baines, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney
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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:02 pm

So instead of losing any from the existing squad for wage reasons, just for TM reasons.

Olly, have you ever played Football Manager? Half of that game is balancing books Laugh

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:04 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:imo need to shed Stekelenberg, Williams, Jags, Baines, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney

Interesting viewpoint, but I'd like you to focus on who should come in in those areas who improves the side, fits Big Sam's schtoyle, and is within reach realistically and financially please angel

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Post by Brooksey79 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:06 pm

sorry lads work got busy i'll do what I can in the morning, we have bags f time

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:19 pm

We'll reconvene on Friday maybe?

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:21 pm

Any questions just ask.

If Olly and Tino want to do their scouting separately then just split up the key positions, one of you find a few options for GK, CB, ST, other one find a few options for LB, DM, Wing

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Post by Brooksey79 Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:23 pm

Olly mentioned the importance of the spine, if he wants that job I'll do the periphery

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Wed 17 Jan 2018, 3:25 pm

Marky wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:imo need to shed Stekelenberg, Williams, Jags, Baines, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney

Interesting viewpoint, but I'd like you to focus on who should come in in those areas who improves the side, fits Big Sam's schtoyle, and is within reach realistically and financially please angel

I feel as captain you shouldn’t deny my genius
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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:35 pm

Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:
Marky wrote:
Good Golly I'm Olly wrote:imo need to shed Stekelenberg, Williams, Jags, Baines, Lennon, Mirallas, Rooney

Interesting viewpoint, but I'd like you to focus on who should come in in those areas who improves the side, fits Big Sam's schtoyle, and is within reach realistically and financially please angel

I feel as captain you shouldn’t deny my genius

You stick to being Messi in a Big Sam side Wink

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:36 pm

On the plus side Everton have announced Theo, so he's already in.

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Post by Fluxy Wed 17 Jan 2018, 4:54 pm

So should we presume a formation in which Sam wants to use, or base it on what he is currently using?

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Post by Marky Wed 17 Jan 2018, 6:51 pm

Fluxy wrote:So should we presume a formation in which Sam wants to use, or base it on what he is currently using?

I'd say he's probably using the formation he wants to use. Loosely I'd say it's either a 4-3-3/4-5-1 or a 4-2-3-1.

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Post by Hero Thu 18 Jan 2018, 9:39 am

In regards to the scouting and purchasing of players, if it's solely based on TM values then I'd recommend purchasing Ligue 1 players ASAP before their value increases.

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Post by Brooksey79 Thu 18 Jan 2018, 12:58 pm

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Thu 18 Jan 2018, 1:27 pm

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Post by Marky Thu 18 Jan 2018, 7:12 pm

Everton linked with Juan Bernat today. That's a no brainer in our squad going forward I feel.

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Post by Hero Thu 18 Jan 2018, 7:14 pm

That's a good call, scour actual transfer rumour sites over the past few months for player linked to Everton or similar level players for realistic signings.

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Post by Marky Thu 18 Jan 2018, 7:55 pm

Can't get more realistic than newspapers in January Wink

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Post by Marky Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:13 pm

Hero wrote:Everton wage bill as of November, obviously Barkley and Mirallas are off that bill now.

Players
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Jordan Pickford£60,000New signing30-06-2022
Maarten Stekelenburg£25,00030-06-2019
Joel Robles£20,00030-06-2018
Ashley Williams£75,00030-06-2019
Phil Jagielka£50,00030-06-2018
Michael Keane£60,000New signing30-06-2022
Seamus Coleman£38,00030-06-2019
Ramiro Funes Mori£40,00030-06-2020
Leighton Baines£70,00030-06-2019
Mason Holgate£7,50030-06-2020
Idrissa Gueye£45,00030-06-2020
Morgan Schneiderlin£120,00030-06-2021 
Ross Barkley£40,00030-06-2018
Yannick Bolasie£80,00030-06-2021
Gylfi Sigurdsson£150,000New signing30-06-2022 
Davy Klaassen£100,000New signing30-06-2022 
Tom Davies£6,000New contract30-06-2022 
Aaron Lennon£50,00030-06-2018
James McCarthy£50,00030-06-2020
Ademola Lookman£23,00030-06-2021
Muhamed Besic£25,00030-06-2021
Kevin Mirallas£70,00030-06-2018
Sandro Ramirez£120,000New signing30-06-2021
Wayne Rooney£150,000New signing30-06-2019
Oumar Niasse£55,00030-06-2020
Dominic Calvert-Lewin£2,500New contract30-06-2022

That's around £74m a year, so luckily we aren't taking that into account when it comes to our £250m budget!

Any progress on scouting Olly/Tino?

Any update on who should be sold Hero/Fluxy?

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Post by Fluxy Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:27 pm

Removing Barkley and Mirallas takes the total wage for the year to £68.25m

Selling on the undesirables: Stekelenberg, Williams, Jags, Baines, Lennon, Mirallas would generate £22.5m and remove just under £13m from the wage budget. 

I didn't include Rooney, as he is listed as a new signing, and we cannot sell him just yet?

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Post by Marky Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:41 pm

I believe the existing wage bill won't need to be accounted for, but the wages saved would be added to our £250m spend.

Personally, I'd add Niasse (with Walcott and Tosun already in) to the transfer list, £55k a week we don't need to spend.

Is Mirallas still at the club?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:47 pm

no scouting done yet will only get a chance tonight after work
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Post by Marky Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:50 pm

While I don't think Nando has said we can't bring in loan players, I think it may help us to only go with permanent signings as we are talking about the longevity of this project, loan players (unless they're one of the world's elite) would go against us IMO.

Olly, search for every position you feel we need, and Tino can do the same separately, to see what different options you come up with.

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Post by Fluxy Fri 19 Jan 2018, 12:59 pm

Marky wrote:I believe the existing wage bill won't need to be accounted for, but the wages saved would be added to our £250m spend.

Personally, I'd add Niasse (with Walcott and Tosun already in) to the transfer list, £55k a week we don't need to spend.

Is Mirallas still at the club?

I'd agree with Niasse, and perhaps look at someone else like Fuenes Mori as well? 

We are missing Cuco Martina, Vlasic, Garbutt and Kenny off the list, is there a reason for that?

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Post by Marky Fri 19 Jan 2018, 1:05 pm

Hero provided the list so I'm not sure. I think those four would probably stay in the squad anyway, so its not anything we need to worry about until we list the full squad.

A major overhaul wouldn't be ideal, so maybe it would be a case of seeing which of our transfer targets can be signed in January and which would be signed in the summer.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly Fri 19 Jan 2018, 1:25 pm

Cuco Martina must go
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