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6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by George Carlin on Tue 23 Jan 2018, 9:23 am

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WALES v SCOTLAND
3 February 2018
KO: 14:15 GMT
Principality Stadium, Cardiff

Live on [ITV, RTE, SC4, FR2, DMAX / BBC (H)]

Referee: Pascal Gaüzère (France)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Matthew Carley (England)
TMO: David Grashoff (England)

A. Head to Head

122 Played 122
70 Won 49
3 Drawn 3
49 Lost 70
1,624 Points 1,263

B. Recent Form

9 March 2013
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
18–28 to Wales

15 March 2014
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
51–3 to Wales

15 February 2015
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
23–26 to Wales

13 February 2016
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
27–23 to Wales

25 February 2017
Murrayfield, Edinburgh
29–13 to Scotland

C. Teams

WALES 

Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets); Josh Adams (Worcester), Scott Williams (Scarlets), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets), Steff Evans (Scarlets); Rhys Patchell (Scarlets), Gareth Davies (Scarlets); Rob Evans (Scarlets), Ken Owens (Scarlets), Samson Lee (Scarlets), Cory Hill (Dragons), Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys, capt), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements: Elliot Dee (Dragons), Wyn Jones (Scarlets), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs), Bradley Davies (Ospreys), Justin Tipuric (Ospreys), Aled Davies (Scarlets), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues), Owen Watkin (Ospreys).

SCOTLAND

Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors); Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons), Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors), Byron McGuigan (Sale Sharks); Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors), Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors); Gordon Reid (London Irish), Stuart McInally (Edinburgh), Jon Welsh (Newcastle Falcons), Ben Toolis (Edinburgh), Jonny Gray, John Barclay (Scarlets, captain), Hamish Watson (Edinburgh), Cornell du Preez (Edinburgh).

Replacements: Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Jamie Bhatti (Glasgow Warriors), Murray McCallum (Edinburgh), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh), Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Clermont Auvergne), Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors), Sean Maitland (Saracens).


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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:14 pm

Gareth Davies is in better form. We have called Tomos Williams from Cardiff to replace him, cracking young player, and I am glad he has been given his chance.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:23 pm

I think the lack of a fly Half will be the crucial point in this match. Wales choices are someone untested at this level or a 36 year old has been.

Of all the Players Wales are without the loss of Faletau, Biggar and JD are where I feel the advantage swings Scotland's way. And now losing Webb I feel Wales are at a significant disadvantage.

Yes we have some problems in the front row but that's only a problem if our handling is poor. We didn't make too many handling errors in the AIs so it shows that the attacking patterns are working and the players are executing with accuracy.

I think it will be quite a resounding victory based on the loss of key players for Wales, which is a shame because having everyone fit and firing I feel it would have been a terrific test match, I still think it will be a beauty but it might be a game of 7s by the time the tournament kicks off.

Who do the Welsh fans want to see at Fly Half then and how do you feel it will affect the attacking shape?
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RiscaGame on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:27 pm

It probably would’ve been starting anyway, but now Davies is going to start at 9, Cement will definitely go Patchell at 10. He likes his combinations really. I expect him to probably go

1/2P, North, Williams, Parkes, Evans (maybe Adams if he trains well), Patchell, Davies, Evans, Owens, Lee (though he may go Francis), Davies, AWJ, Shingler, Tipuric, Navidi.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by highland_scot on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:28 pm

Knowing our luck and going on past results vs Wales, it's a pretty fair bet that Russell and/or Hogg will do something rash and get carded.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by bsando on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:31 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
bsando wrote:
munkian wrote:
highland_scot wrote:In all seriousness, I think some Scottish fans have been underrating Wales, especially given they have home advantage. Gatland must surely take notice of the fact that the Scarlets are flying, playing attractive rugby, and be able to translate it into international form...

I could see a relatively close final score, 35-31 maybe. Scotland getting a late try to secure a LBP and TBP.

This.

Scotland's last away win in the 6 Nations was 2016 against Italy.

Last away win of note was Ireland in 2010.

Last time you beat Wales in Cardiff was 2002 and that was by 5.

Every time Scotland get a scalp in the AIs they are bigged up then don't deliver.

Last time Scotland played Wales in Cardiff - Hogg was replaced by Jackson at the 28 minute mark, Davies scored a controversial try early on that was converted, with the scoreline at 27 - 16 at 78mins Scotland couldn't win, but had the Davies try not been awarded they would have been battling for the win rather than a more flattering scoreline.

It's going to be a very interesting fixture and I am eagerly awaiting it, the past 3 fixtures have been very close so I would be very surprised if either team walks this one. On form and results I think Scotland are ahead but Wales have home advantage which swings things a bit. 2010 Part 2? I really, really hope not.. Both sides carrying some injuries, Wales with some particularly bad ones across a variety of positions.

Hogg surely can't be off early this time, 2014 and 2016 he was off before the 30 minute mark. I'm confident Scotland can travel down there and pick up a gutsy and determined win.

I was at that game, and that scoreline actually flattered Scotland.

Agreed Wink Hard luck on Webb injury by the way, what a casualty list for Wales this year. Interested to see how Wales get on.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by LordDowlais on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 5:35 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I think the lack of a fly Half will be the crucial point in this match. Wales choices are someone untested at this level or a 36 year old has been.

Have you not seen the half back pairing for Scarlets lately ? If they are picked I will be chuffed to bits.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Of all the Players Wales are without the loss of Faletau, Biggar and JD are where I feel the advantage swings Scotland's way. And now losing Webb I feel Wales are at a significant disadvantage.

Whilst I agree, those players would be a massive loss to any side, but we still have Moriarty, Navidi, Tuperic, James Davies, Shingler in the back row, and Gatland can always call on Rhys Patchell, Gareth Anscombe at 10, we have plenty of cover at center as well, has Hadleigh Parkes been called up yet ?

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I think it will be quite a resounding victory based on the loss of key players for Wales, which is a shame because having everyone fit and firing I feel it would have been a terrific test match, I still think it will be a beauty but it might be a game of 7s by the time the tournament kicks off.

And people are questioning where the Scottish arrogance is coming from ? Rolling Eyes

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Who do the Welsh fans want to see at Fly Half then and how do you feel it will affect the attacking shape?

We'll be fine, don't worry, all these injuries have done is forced Gatland to pick more players that are on form, we could now have potentially get the Scarlets back line playing:-

Gareth Davies
Rhys Patchell
Hadleigh Parks
Scott Williams
Leigh Halfpenny

With George North on one wing, and Hallam Amos on the other.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 6:22 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I think the lack of a fly Half will be the crucial point in this match. Wales choices are someone untested at this level or a 36 year old has been.


Who do you mean? The only 36 year old I can only think of is Henson. There’s no way he’s anyway near being picked! I’d probably put him as 6th in line. It will probably be Anscombe or Patchell, with Patchell being my choice. Owen Williams, Sam Davies and Dan Jones at the Scarlets are all probably ahead of Henson to be honest.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 6:41 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I think the lack of a fly Half will be the crucial point in this match. Wales choices are someone untested at this level or a 36 year old has been.

Have you not seen the half back pairing for Scarlets lately ? If they are picked I will be chuffed to bits.

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Of all the Players Wales are without the loss of Faletau, Biggar and JD are where I feel the advantage swings Scotland's way. And now losing Webb I feel Wales are at a significant disadvantage.

Whilst I agree, those players would be a massive loss to any side, but we still have Moriarty, Navidi, Tuperic, James Davies, Shingler in the back row, and Gatland can always call on Rhys Patchell, Gareth Anscombe at 10, we have plenty of cover at center as well, has Hadleigh Parkes been called up yet ?

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:I think it will be quite a resounding victory based on the loss of key players for Wales, which is a shame because having everyone fit and firing I feel it would have been a terrific test match, I still think it will be a beauty but it might be a game of 7s by the time the tournament kicks off.

And people are questioning where the Scottish arrogance is coming from ? Rolling Eyes

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:Who do the Welsh fans want to see at Fly Half then and how do you feel it will affect the attacking shape?

We'll be fine, don't worry, all these injuries have done is forced Gatland to pick more players that are on form, we could now have potentially get the Scarlets back line playing:-

Gareth Davies
Rhys Patchell
Hadleigh Parks
Scott Williams
Leigh Halfpenny

With George North on one wing, and Hallam Amos on the other.

It's not arrogance, I'm giving a reasoned rational prediction based on facts. The last time we played you had these players fit and still lost. The backrow players you mentioned are a significant step down in terms of quality and to argue otherwise is absurd. Faletau and Warburton are amazing players and the only one comparable is Tipuric. Scotland has the better and more established backrow.

I also love the way the Scarlets play, Gatland demonstrably doesn't, otherwise we would have seen that style in the autumn. I cannot envisage we'll see too much Scarlets rugby in the 6N, it would be nice if we did, but I can't see it. Playing a faster game plays more into Scotland's hands, dragging the game into an arm wrestle and use Gatland's physical approach is where our weakness lies. We can deal with attacking plays like the Scarlets but Scotland's defensive problems comes from the direct, physical contact hence why Samoa ran us close and Fiji beat us in the summer. It's also why Wales' record against us has been so good in recent years, we struggle with the big direct ball carriers like Roberts, North, etc al
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by carpet baboon on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 6:49 pm

Your injury list sucks.....but I'm scared that it's gonna force old cement head to pick mostly Scarlets players. And that's bad news for the rest of us.
But imagine Wales playing like Scarlets, Ireland like Leinster and Scotland like Glasgow. Could be a freaking amazing balls out silky skilled 6 nations.
Just need France to remember how to play and England to be let off the leash

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:00 pm

I think it’s just your wording, RuggerRadge. ‘Resounding victory’ is the same as saying a humping. So you’re predicting a humping for wales. Everyone’s entitled to opinion, but assuming it will be a humping is a little arrogant. I’ve seen many posters over the years being called arrogant for predicting/assuming a resounding win over Italy, for example. Is this not the same? You don’t see All Blacks fans say they’ll come over and there will be a resounding victory for NZ in the AI games, even though it often is! If anyone has the right to use that sort of language it would be them!
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:03 pm

The Oracle wrote:I think it’s just your wording, RuggerRadge. ‘Resounding victory’ is the same as saying a humping. So you’re predicting a humping for wales. Everyone’s entitled to opinion, but assuming it will be a humping is a little arrogant. I’ve seen many posters over the years being called arrogant for predicting/assuming a resounding win over Italy, for example. Is this not the same? You don’t see All Blacks fans say they’ll come over and there will be a resounding victory for NZ in the AI games, even though it often is! If anyone has the right to use that sort of language it would be them!

To be fair I've predicted a resounding win for Wales against Scotland for about the last 10 years!!! Apparently its only arrogant if you are talking about your own team...

I also predict Ireland will give us a humping too... Is that arrogant or not? I'm losing track


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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:06 pm

But but........................... sure everyone loves a resounding victory. Sure the word has nothing else to do in a normal week. What else would it do if it wasn't linked in to a smug victory?

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:07 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think it’s just your wording, RuggerRadge. ‘Resounding victory’ is the same as saying a humping. So you’re predicting a humping for wales. Everyone’s entitled to opinion, but assuming it will be a humping is a little arrogant. I’ve seen many posters over the years being called arrogant for predicting/assuming a resounding win over Italy, for example. Is this not the same? You don’t see All Blacks fans say they’ll come over and there will be a resounding victory for NZ in the AI games, even though it often is! If anyone has the right to use that sort of language it would be them!

To be fair I've predicted a resounding win for Wales against for about the last 10 years!!! Apparently its only arrogant if you are talking about your own team...

I also predict Ireland will give us a humping too... Is that arrogant or not? I'm losing track

Stop that! I'm only looking for a resounding victory.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:09 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think it’s just your wording, RuggerRadge. ‘Resounding victory’ is the same as saying a humping. So you’re predicting a humping for wales. Everyone’s entitled to opinion, but assuming it will be a humping is a little arrogant. I’ve seen many posters over the years being called arrogant for predicting/assuming a resounding win over Italy, for example. Is this not the same? You don’t see All Blacks fans say they’ll come over and there will be a resounding victory for NZ in the AI games, even though it often is! If anyone has the right to use that sort of language it would be them!

To be fair I've predicted a resounding win for Wales against Scotland for about the last 10 years!!! Apparently its only arrogant if you are talking about your own team...

I also predict Ireland will give us a humping too... Is that arrogant or not? I'm losing track


Actually, I think it is! Not sure you can be arrogant on behalf of someone else. Might be wrong.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:10 pm

SecretFly wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think it’s just your wording, RuggerRadge. ‘Resounding victory’ is the same as saying a humping. So you’re predicting a humping for wales. Everyone’s entitled to opinion, but assuming it will be a humping is a little arrogant. I’ve seen many posters over the years being called arrogant for predicting/assuming a resounding win over Italy, for example. Is this not the same? You don’t see All Blacks fans say they’ll come over and there will be a resounding victory for NZ in the AI games, even though it often is! If anyone has the right to use that sort of language it would be them!

To be fair I've predicted a resounding win for Wales against for about the last 10 years!!! Apparently its only arrogant if you are talking about your own team...

I also predict Ireland will give us a humping too... Is that arrogant or not? I'm losing track

Stop that!  I'm only looking for a resounding victory.

You can have whatever you want. Haha kiss

England or Ireland without a slam are my picks to win the tournament. I also think if we avoid hideous injuries (unlike Wales) we'll beat everyone but Ireland. I think those outside of Scotland haven't seen the changes at Edinburgh (under Cockers) and at Glasgow (under Rennie) all being woven together by Townsend on the foundations Vern Cotter built. Scottish rugby is in the best health I've seen it in for 20 years.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:12 pm

The Oracle wrote: Not sure you can be arrogant on behalf of someone else. Might be wrong.

I'll try it.

Italy, I feel, is going to get a resounding victory over Wales...

Yep, sorry Oracle but it still sounds arrogant as feck.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:12 pm

I think England will f’ing smash Italy. That’s my prediction. If an England fan says “I think we’re going to f’ing smash Italy” then yes I think that smacks of arrogance. So yes, I think you’re right Radge.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:16 pm

England are going to f**king smash Italy...and I'm not even bothering to think it........... It'll just happen.

AND.......................... O'Shea better not try a repeat of his joke from last time. Don't tell the same joke twice, it's uncouth.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:16 pm

SecretFly wrote:
The Oracle wrote: Not sure you can be arrogant on behalf of someone else. Might be wrong.

I'll try it.

Italy, I feel, is going to get a resounding victory over Wales...

Yep, sorry Oracle but it still sounds arrogant as feck.

Doesn’t sound like arrogance to me secretfly.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:19 pm

The Oracle wrote:I think England will f’ing smash Italy. That’s my prediction. If an England fan says “I think we’re going to f’ing smash Italy” then yes I think that smacks of arrogance. So yes, I think you’re right Radge.

England pretty much always smash Italy, providing James Haskell doesn't have to ask the ref what Italy are doing at the breakdown.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:22 pm

RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think England will f’ing smash Italy. That’s my prediction. If an England fan says “I think we’re going to f’ing smash Italy” then yes I think that smacks of arrogance. So yes, I think you’re right Radge.

England pretty much always smash Italy, providing James Haskell doesn't have to ask the ref what Italy are doing at the breakdown.

Haha! True. But we’d all be over England like a rash if Eddie Jones came out and said they were going to smash them before the game, right?
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:27 pm

Italy has the problem of, once again, seeming to stand still as other sides seem to be taking another step closer to SH fitness and skill levels.

Even with new coaches, they just seem to miss all the little upsteps that visit other sides through the decades since Professionalism began.

I think they seriously need more than two League sides for the size of Nation they have. You can't instill the ethos Nationwide with just two Pro 14 sides in a Nation of some 60million.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:33 pm

The Oracle wrote:
RuggerRadge2611 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:I think England will f’ing smash Italy. That’s my prediction. If an England fan says “I think we’re going to f’ing smash Italy” then yes I think that smacks of arrogance. So yes, I think you’re right Radge.

England pretty much always smash Italy, providing James Haskell doesn't have to ask the ref what Italy are doing at the breakdown.

Haha! True. But we’d all be over England like a rash if Eddie Jones came out and said they were going to smash them before the game, right?

Eddie Jones has pretty much said he's going to smash all opposition since coming into the job. And to be fair to the man, he nearly proved the assumption true on his first winning run.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:39 pm

Hmm. Makes sense calling an England fan arrogant for a belief you hold yourself?!

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 7:53 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Hmm. Makes sense calling an England fan arrogant for a belief you hold yourself?!

According to the dictionary it makes sense, yeah. I didn't invent the language though! You'll have to take that up with someone else!
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:03 pm

An exaggerated sense of ability. But you don't believe it's exaggerated. So it's just you getting a bit peeved? A lot of England fans think we may start slowly against Italy but win well. Oh well.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:06 pm

I do think Oracle is just meditating on the meaning of the words as spoken by different peoples. I'm not so sure he's heavily emotional about it.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:14 pm

I'm sure. Just sums it up that people would use this as an excuse to vindicate a dig I'm am instance where they agree fully.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by No9 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:22 pm

bsando wrote:

Agreed Wink Hard luck on Webb injury by the way, what a casualty list for Wales this year. Interested to see how Wales get on.


Ok.. I hung my boots 30 years ago, but if my country needs me .... Erm

Been out working, and only just seen this... Ok, we more than suitable cover in Gareth Davies, but this injury list now is getting silly.. furious

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:25 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:An exaggerated sense of ability. But you don't believe it's exaggerated. So it's just you getting a bit peeved? A lot of England fans think we may start slowly against Italy but win well. Oh well.

"In ones own ability". And by extension your own team or country or club. They are the key words. So thinking someone else will get hammered by someone else is not arrogant.

Anyway, I feel I'm derailing the thread slightly with minor things so I do apologise.

Back to the rugby: Not too bothered by losing Webb. Not good obviously, but that's the one position where the next in line is decent. Davies is in great form. Scores quite a bit for Wales - 9 tries in 13 tests - and scored a few this year for Scarlets so hoping he brings that form to the 6N. If Wales lose him though.... Shocked
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:28 pm

Yes. But you don't think it's exaggerated at all as you believe it to be true. You're right it is derailing but when you point out stuff like that yourself it's going to be.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by Scottrf on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:39 pm

Love how much this place picks up around 6 Nations.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by RDW_Scotland on Thu 25 Jan 2018, 8:43 pm

95 posts on this thread today - I think we should all work harder at our jobs...!

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:01 am

George Carlin wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Reading on here I think the overconfidence from some Scots is bordering on delusional and arrogant. Where is the confidence coming from exactly?

It's really not. They beat Wales last 6 Nations, did you forget? And Ireland. They beat Australia 53-24 in November. And beat them away from home last year. Last Welsh win vs Australia was 2008. You have to go back to 2005 to find the second Welsh win there, Scotland had 2 last year. They got very close to New Zealand. They are in good form, and Wales are missing some of their big players.
Don't start bringing facts into this Scott. You can prove anything with those bloody things, can't you?

Jeez Scott I always thought you were odd and now you're being stupid on someone else's behalf. I guess you must think Ireland will beat England specifically because they beat them last year? If we're talking history then I think Scotland's one win in ten Vs Wales is more relevant here. The Scotland team's form isn't really that good or consistent enough to warrant some of these predictions if I'm honest. History shows that our results against other teams don't have any bearing on an fixture with Scotland, so whilst Scotland have done well against Aus I don't think it's that relevant here, unless Wales pick up a red card early on... Hey do you notice how the Red Card is now okay with some 'rugby fans' on here? Back on the Lions tour to NZ it wasn't chin. These overconfident predictions are just delusional.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:04 am

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Hazel Sapling wrote:A lot of the Welsh here are trying to run it out that we are insulting them. Let's look at recent history


Anyway, this is the reason why I tend to avoid Welsh threads. If you don't say Wales are going to win then you are insane.

Talk about blowing it out of proportion.  I think what some people take issue with is the insinuation that it is going to be easy for Scotland.  Your post yesterday was particularly arrogant.  If you have scrum parity and a good pitch then nothing else will be a problem and you'll walk it, was the claim.  I haven't seen any Welsh posters say they will definitely win.  Pretty much everyone has said they think it might be close.  No-one is going crazy or insane either.  You seem to be throwing your toys out of the pram because people do not agree with you that Scotland will win with ease.    

Yep. I see you avoided quoting the rest of comment too, given its inaccuracies and delusion that's probably a good thing.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:12 am

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The previous quote was that predictions for Scots to win was delusional and arrogant. Clearly nonsense.

And asked where the confidence was coming from. Pretty obvious if you watch any rugby outside Wales, which Mikey clearly doesn't.

I'm sure you wish you could get close to NZ.

No it wasn't, are you a liar? Oh dear. The predictions from some Scots, IE Scotland ripping it up and scoring 30 if they can get parity comes across to anyone who doesn't hate Wales as pretty arrogant.

Yeah I just don't see what it's based on. Some of it from what I can read is based on club form, in which case Scarlets are better than all Scottish clubs and Ospreys did better in Europe - but I wouldn't predict a Wales win off the back of that. I'm not sure what you're getting, watch rugby outside of Wales? I don't live in Wales so technically I do. The European competition encompasses a few playing nations so I guess that's outside of Wales too. And the 6N.
If the overconfidence is based on the AI (only you seem to be basing it on last season) then it's never had any bearing on the 6N for Wales or Scotland. Scotland were good but not that consistent as they almost lost to Samoa. They did well and beat a red carded Aus after their fans said the Lions were crap for only beating NZ when they had a red card. Wales beat SA with their new look team, can't remember when Scotland last beat SA. See I did a you on you Wink.

Running it close against a team you've never beaten, the best team in the world and saying you can beat other teams over that is pretty dumb, a bit like your comments here. You not embarrassed?

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:24 am

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RDW_Scotland wrote:
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R!skysports wrote:What is going on here???????

Are we now not allowed to make a prediction any more without being based as delusional?

Most people are saying it is likely to be close, but if they let their heart have a go, hope for a comfortable win

This complete over reaction to people making a prediction on a discussion forum is a little #sad


I agree actually.  It seems the Welsh are delusional if they predict it will be close or that they might sneak a win due to home advantage!

Are you deliberately stirring the pot??  I don't think anyone has said that!


Risky said it in the post you just quoted!  'Are we now not allowed to make a prediction any more without being based as delusional?'


But where has a Scottish fan told a welsh fan they're being delusional by predicting a win?

I'm not sure how this thread has got to this....

Wales fans hear it every year, for that reason and the reaction on this thread is why hardly any bother to still come on here. I'm surprised you'd ask Oracle if he was stirring the pot when the stirring came from a couple odd and exaggerated posts by Scott and HS - you seem to have ignored that? My early impression is that Oracle is a sound poster who posts intelligent rugby discussion.

I see the truth has hurt a few, I had a feeling it would Rolling Eyes.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:27 am

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RDW_Scotland wrote:I'm not sure how this thread has got to this....

I bet Mikey is sniggering to himself. I should have just ignored it.

I've been reading these boards for years and note that Mikey is a bit of a wind up merchant!  That Hazel Sapling seems to be too, albeit a bit more subtly.

Scott acts childish a lot, quite annoying actually. And on this occasion believe it or not that post wasn't a WUM! You took issue with some of the silly prediction as well right? Toonie isn't even that good yet, I'd be absolutely amazed and somewhat impressed if he got Scotland to higher than third this year.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:35 am

munkian wrote:Scotland fans aren't delusional for thinking they'll win.

But.... a margin of 10 - 34 away from home in the Six Nations is ludicrous and not based on anything grounded in reality.

And basing their predictions on AI performances has no basis on reality either.

Scotland not travelling well in the 6 Nations is a fact, proven further by the fact that they haven't won in Cardiff since the start of the Century.

Careful now, posting the truth will get people to start slagging your team off. You probably said it better and a lot nicer than me though to be fair.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by SecretFly on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 12:49 am

Does it really matter who thinks what?

I think Wales will win by 15 tries to Scotland's 6.  Does it matter that I think that?  It ain't going to happen that way.

Why do you all get so hot about 'predictions' as if somehow by mention alone they become something physical and threatening.

If a guy thinks his side will mash up the opposition, who the hell cares?  If he's wrong, it'll be proven soon enough.  

Have fun with the topics, men.  It all too frequently gets into the "F**k you, you idiot" territory without any real need.

'Shut the hell up and f**k you, Fly!'

Sorry folks...do carry on Whistle Run

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 1:08 am

SecretFly wrote:Does it really matter who thinks what?

I think Wales will win by 15 tries to Scotland's 6.  Does it matter that I think that?  It ain't going to happen that way.

Why do you all get so hot about 'predictions' as if somehow by mention alone they become something physical and threatening.

If a guy thinks his side will mash up the opposition, who the hell cares?  If he's wrong, it'll be proven soon enough.  

Have fun with the topics, men.  It all too frequently gets into the "F**k you, you idiot" territory without any real need.

'Shut the hell up and f**k you, Fly!'

Sorry folks...do carry on Whistle Run

If you're referring to this then no. If people want to question what I've said then that's fine as I can explain my reasoning. I wasn't the only one to take issue with some baseless predictions.

Hey I gave my fair and accurate point of view then I come home to some barrage of stupidity and crying wolf - just responding to that. I've not said Scotland are incapable of getting the win.

Anyway I hope you're sticking around Fly, some delusional fans need your help to get back to reality Wink.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by TJ on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:01 am

FFS chaps - stop bickering. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain this game cold go either way. Scotland have the best recent record and are ranked higher. Wales have home advantage and we haven't won in Cardiff for years. Injuries have hit both teams and could turn out to be critical

Personally I don't Wales have the firepower to score enough to win whereas I am confident Scotland will score tries


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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by TightHEAD on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:12 am

I think Scarlet's run in Europe is over, as it looks like their backline has to play a whole 6 nations first.
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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by The Oracle on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:22 am

TJ wrote:FFS chaps - stop bickering.  Its obvious to anyone with half a brain this game cold go either way.  Scotland have the best recent record and are ranked higher.  Wales have home advantage and we haven't won in Cardiff for years.  Injuries have hit both teams and could turn out to be critical

Personally I don't Wales have the firepower to score enough to win whereas I am confident Scotland will score tries


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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by TJ on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:24 am

Thanks to the Welsh also for fixing Barclay Very Happy

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by Cardiff Dave on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:39 am

TightHEAD wrote:I think Scarlet's run in Europe is over, as it looks like their backline has to play a whole 6 nations first.

Got used to that with Cardiff.
Often out of contention before xmas following the 4 nations bash.
There we are.

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by sensisball on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 9:51 am

If Toonie does the obvious thing and picks Jon Welsh as out starting 3 then I think we will edge the scrums and this will give us a decent platform in the match.
After that? Depends a lot on who Gats picks at 10 and how their back line fire.
My prediction: Scotland to win by between 3 and 7

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by R!skysports on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 10:11 am

On another topic, did anyone listen to Eddie Jones on the 606v2 podcast - what a complete tool

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by Scottrf on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 10:18 am

R!skysports wrote:On another topic, did anyone listen to Eddie Jones on the 606v2 podcast - what a complete tool

Why is he a tool?

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Re: 6N 2018: Wales v Scotland, 3 February

Post by IanBru on Fri 26 Jan 2018, 10:21 am

I know Risky, I was shouting at the radio, particularly when he was getting annoyed at the media being impressed with Scotland's style "Oh look, the ball's being passed from one side to the other!"... seriously, if he thinks that's all ToonieBall is, then he's not that great a coach.
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