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Post by MrInvisible on Wed 24 Jan 2018, 11:40 pm

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So here we are, rapidly approaching the business end of this year's Australian Open - Kerber and Federer on paper the favourites to win but this has been a tournament of surprises and maybe there's a couple of twists to come:

Women's semi-finals:

Halep v Kerber
Mertens v Wozniacki

Mens' semi-finals:

Cilic v Edmund
Federer v Chung

Mens' doubles semi-finals:

Mclachlan/Struff v Marach/Pavic
Cabal/Farah v Bryan/Bryan

In the women's semis I'm expecting a tight 3 setter between Halep and Kerber - both have been playing some great stuff and whilst I'm rooting for the Romanian to finally win a slam I think Kerber when on form on this surface is just too strong. For the Mertens v Wozniacki match I'm going for Mertens to win. Despite her good run this tournament I'm not convinced with Wozniacki, whilst the young Belgian has been in irresistible form.

I didn't think Edmund would beat Dimitrov but he was most impressive in the quarter-finals and is clearly playing with a lot of confidence. Nadal's injury meanwhile overshadowed Cilic's performance in the quarter-finals and the Croat has played some tricky opponents earlier on. The way both Cilic and Edmund are serving I'm expecting a couple of tie-breaks in this one. I'm going for Cilic in 4 tough sets - I just think whilst he's had a fantastic tournament and improved considerably over last year, Edmund's never played in such an important match and I think Cilic's experience will take him through - happy to be proven wrong though!

Federer looked so clinical in 2nd and 3rd sets against Berdych and like a well oiled machine everything seems to be running smoothly and clicking into place for Fed at the moment. Chung's game could prove problematic for Federer, but I'm expecting Chung's level to dip slightly as the match goes on, and I'm going for Federer in 4 sets after an early scare.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 8:48 am

As I suspected all pretty straight-forward for Roger Federer so far. On the brink of going into a 4-0 lead in the first set.
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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 8:52 am

Would be keen to hear a credible explanation as to why the roof is closed for an outdoor tournament in totally dry weather.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 8:59 am

Apparently it’s a bit humid and windy?

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:04 am

Federer on cruise control takes the first set 6-2 in half an hour. Times like this I wonder if I have a smellovision set as I swear I can smell Cilic's fear.
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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:19 am

CC - why exactly would you consider the contest as “pretty straight-forward” right at the start ??

Federer’s opponent is not some journeyman player. He’s ranked No.3 in the world and a former Slam winner.

I still think this could go the distance.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:21 am

lags72 wrote:CC - why exactly would you consider the contest as “pretty straight-forward” right at the start ??

Federer’s opponent is not some journeyman player. He’s ranked No.3 in the world and a former Slam winner.

I still think this could go the distance.

Cilic does not believe he can beat Federer. Simples. He possesses a mindset of 'Christ that's Roger down there. I've got no chance.'
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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:24 am

But he didn’t have that mindset at the USO when he took the great one down neatly in 3.

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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:27 am

If Cilic can even things up by taking this second - which he is capable of doing - then his confidence will soar.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:28 am

One win in nine matches between the pair. And a total of seven sets won (three of those in his solitary win).
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:34 am

Cilic has won a total of six matches in around 40 against Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray. Says a lot I think.
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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:41 am

It says a lot about past performances, sure. But Cilic is a arguably a better player today than at any stage of his career.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:47 am

That shot there encapsulates his mindset. Set point, second serve, into a rally and nets an unforced error.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:49 am

lags72 wrote:It says a lot about past performances, sure. But Cilic is a arguably a better player today than at any stage of his career.

No I don't think he is really. He will look great against lesser players and mere mortals but up against the very best is where he comes up short.
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Post by Just John on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 9:59 am

Cilic takes set 7-6

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:03 am

Cilic needs more of that shots on the line at key times. He takes the set but I stick by my prediction yesterday where I forecasted Fed in 3 or at most 4.

As to the roof its apparently closed due to hot temps for the first time in the evening session in the tournament. Very odd.
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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:04 am

Well done Cilic. There was a possibility of a one sided match after the first 3 or 4 games - the crowd sensed it. Cilic played very poorly to start with, nerves perhaps, or just slow to get into the match.

Cilic has lost to Federer a lot in recent years, but the matches have mostly been hard fought.

https://www.atpworldtour.com/en/players/fedex-head-2-head/roger-federer-vs-marin-cilic/F324/C977

In their last 5 matches,

1 easy straight sets for Cilic
1 easy straight sets win for Federer - Cilic injured
3 tight matches with tiebreaks - all of which went to deciding sets - Federer won all

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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:05 am

@ CC - He looked very good against Rafa. And Rafa ain’t no ‘mere mortal’ !

It was the pressure that he brought to Rafa in that match (and the effort needed to withstand it) which I believe prompted Rafa’s injury.

He can bring similar pressure to the Fed too.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:06 am

I would have thought Federer would prefer the roof to be open?

As Federer gets older five sets should favour Cilic more than Federer.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:11 am

With one set each it is now a "best of three"

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:12 am

lags72 wrote:@ CC - He looked very good against Rafa. And Rafa ain’t no ‘mere mortal’ !

It was the pressure that he brought to Rafa in that match (and the effort needed to withstand it) which I believe prompted Rafa’s injury.

He can bring similar pressure to the Fed too.

Did he win the match? No. That is the name of the game - winning.
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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:19 am

No name Bertie wrote:I would have thought Federer would prefer the roof to be open?  

As Federer gets older five sets should favour Cilic more than Federer.

Not sure he cares too much one way or the other about the roof. I think his indoor record is the best of all active players (or maybe marginally behind Djokovic .....?). But he has also won 19 Slams, with the vast majority played in the open.

On the age factor .... yes, you would think a younger guy should definitely have the advantage ; especially when your opponent is into his late thirties.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:23 am

As an aside - I am all for banter, but don't let this ongoing match be about "us", that is to say about "CC proving CC is right" or about "proving CC is wrong", let's while the match is in play, leave that aside.  Personally my heart is with Federer (thinking that Cilic will get many more opportunities) - but am happy under any eventuality - let the best man win, and let's hope injury doesn't play an important factor.


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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:23 am

Roof close does seem like a strange decision. The key question - does it benefit Federer?

Obviously he prefers indoors, but might the same apply to another aggressive player like Cilic?

However Cilic has never got out of the group stages at the world tour finals, he has one win there only in three attempts. His record at Paris is slightly better than at other Masters, but only very very slightly. It's the only masters where he got to the QF 3 times, as well as one semi. However Paris can be easier for the mid ranked players like Cilic as the really top ones ease off ahead of WTF. And he won Cincinatti, not Paris.

I guess the reason it would benefit Federer is that he takes the ball slightly earlier. Therefore, he benefits more from a truer, indoors, windless bounce.Whereas Cilic waits for the ball to bounce up a little bit more, giving him more time to adjust. Does that sound right? Watching them play today I've been looking for this, and I think the difference is slight.

Experience indoors also benefits Federer. Just the number of matches he's played. However, I would have thought adjusting to indoors might be fairly easy since it's more of an absence of disrupting conditions rather than a presence of something new. Apart from the fact that you have to adjust to the ball moving through the air at a bit faster speed.

I guess overall it does benefit Federer.

If we add this to the controversy of Federer-Struff being chosen as the night match rather than Djokovic-Monfils, is there some favouritism going on?

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Post by Just John on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:24 am

Federer takes the third set 6-3


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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:27 am

@ NNB - don’t take it too seriously, I would suggest.

CC is a valued, very fair poster and our exchanges here (and the Forum as a whole) are just about individual opinions on the tennis - nothing to do with proving anyone ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ Cool

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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:30 am

Federer has demonstrated physical fitness that he shouldn't really have beyond his years. We're talking 2 aggressive players, a first set that has already been a short one. It can't be that long a match. I don't think Federer's fitness is in that much question if Cilic can take this to five.

By the way, tremendous footwork from Federer in one point there where he hit a cross court, looked to have exposed himself by leaving the court open and looked like the point would be lost, but turned back in the opposite direction very quickly and hit the ball immediately after the bounce and won the point.

Federer's physical prowess and footwork seemed to decline through about 2013/2014, when he looked like he might be on the way out and most people thought no more slams or maybe one more. Since then, nothing seems to have declined.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:33 am

lags72 wrote:@ NNB - don’t take it too seriously, I would suggest

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:33 am

My basic point is that Roger is seen by many as the greatest player of all-time. He has an 8-1 head-to-head against Cilic who always seems to come up short against the very best. Marin Cilic is in the top ten players in the world at present but that cuts no ice when matched against the greatest of all-time. It isn't really rocket science.

And cheers lags72 all we are doing here is expressing opinions. Hug


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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:34 am

Two of Cilic’s last three service games have been simply appalling. CC very much being proved right.

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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:36 am

Cheers for that clip, NNB. My all-time favourite Wimbledon moment !!

CHALK FLEW UP !


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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:36 am

As soon as I "intervene" it seems that Federer is keen on proving CC right.

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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:37 am

I don't think either one of them is proved right or wrong by the outcome of one match. I remember on a football forum once saying a particular player was useless and just then they scored and everyone was like "aha, that proves you wrong" when my argument had involved the number of goals they had scored in the last 6 years....

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:38 am

I don't want to pre-empt fate, but I can't believe how well Federer is doing at his age.

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Post by Just John on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:38 am

Born Slippy wrote:Two of Cilic’s last three service games have been simply appalling. CC very much being proved right.

Cilic isn’t good enough. It didn’t need a debate. RF flourishing again, in a period where his rivals have physically declined, and the next-gen have been woefully short of challenging at elite level.

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Post by laverfan on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:41 am

Unless Federer has brain freeze, he can carry the break to win the match.

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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:45 am

No name Bertie wrote:I don't want to pre-empt fate, but I can't believe how well Federer is doing at his age.

Nor can the vast majority of the world’s population believe it ....... Headscratch

Perhaps he got a secret, full-factory refurb during that long layoff in 2016 ..... ?

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Post by lags72 on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:48 am

Oh oh .......

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:50 am

Cilic breaks Federer to love, back on serve in the fourth.

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Post by laverfan on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:51 am

Just John wrote:Cilic isn’t good enough.

Headscratch This match is not over yet.

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Post by Just John on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:51 am

Delaying the inevitable

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 10:58 am

Federer is having to fight here to avoid a double break.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:01 am

If Cilic breaks here he will be serving for the set to level things up 2 sets all.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:03 am

I blame John. The fates have turned against John's hubris.

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Post by Just John on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:05 am

Haha

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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:07 am

Let's exclude the Wimbledon match on the basis of injury. In which case this is now the 3rd consecutive match between them to go to a deciding set, and 4 out of the last 5, all of which Roger won. Cilic only won one in straight sets.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:08 am

I have to congratulate Cilic for raising his game there. Sometimes desperation can focus the mind.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:10 am

I suppose Federer has to try to strike early here.  Normally there is a slight physical and mental lull after turning around a set like that from Cilic.

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Post by Henman Bill on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:11 am

A statistic just flashed up on the TV and I think it said

29-20 Federer
17-12 Cilic

I think it was the best of 5 record


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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:12 am

Cilic seems to be on top now with his new found aggressive play.

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Post by laverfan on Sun 28 Jan 2018, 11:14 am

This is a no-TB set, so a break will have to decide the winner.

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