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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 31 Jan 2018, 11:10 am

Italy v England
Friday 2 February, KO 7pm (6pm GMT)
Stadio Enzo Bearzot, Gorizia

England v Wales
Friday 9 February, KO 7.45pm – live on Sky Sports Action
Kingston Park, Newcastle
Tickets available here

Scotland v England
Friday 23 February, KO 7.30pm
Myreside, Edinburgh

France v England
Friday 9 March, KO 9pm (8pm GMT)
Stade de la Mediterranee, Beziers

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 31 Jan 2018, 11:11 am

England U20 side to face Italy, Six Nations:

*denotes uncapped player

15. Tom Parton (London Irish), 14. Gabriel Ibitoye (Harlequins), 13. Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints)*, 12. Will Butler (Worcester Warriors), 11. Ben Loader (London Irish)*, 10. James Grayson (Northampton Saints), 9. Ben White (Leicester Tigers)*, 8. Tom Willis (Wasps)*, 7. Ben Earl - captain (Saracens), 6. Sam Moore (Sale Sharks)*, 5. James Scott (Worcester Warriors)*, 4. Dino Lamb (Harlequins), 3. Marcus Street (Exeter Chiefs), 2. Henry Walker (Gloucester), 1.Toby Trinder (Northampton Saints)*

Replacements

16. Gabriel Oghre (Wasps)*, 17. Alex Seville (Gloucester), 18. Joe Morris (Worcester Warriors), 19. Sam Lewis (Leicester Tigers)*, 20. Josh Basham (London Irish)*, 21. Rory Brand (London Irish), 22. Tom Hardwick (Leicester Tigers)*, 23. Jordan Olowofela (Leicester Tigers)*.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 31 Jan 2018, 11:12 am

England U20s have named their starting XV to take on Italy in the opening match of the 2018 Six Nations.

The side, who won the Grand Slam last season, face Italy at Stadio Enzo Bearzot, Gorizia on Friday (kick-off 6pm GMT).

“It’s been really difficult to select a XV because we have some very talented young players and several of them have performed very well over the first half of the season," said England U20 head coach Steve Bates.

“Choosing the 32-man elite player squad was difficult enough, so narrowing that down has been even tougher. We’ve tried to take into consideration the way they have performed in our two camps, which has been first class, as well as the games they’ve played up until Christmas."

There will be seven players making their debut at U20 level, with five more set to win their first cap off the bench.

England will be led by Saracens flanker Ben Earl and he will be joined in the backrow by debutants Sam Moore and Tom Willis.

Prop Toby Trinder and lock James Scott are also included in the starting XV for the first time with the U20s.

Scrum half Ben White, who is also uncapped at this level, partners James Grayson at half back, while centre Fraser Dingwall and wing Ben Loader are also set to make their debuts for the U20s.

The side include eight members of the squad that reached the final of the World Rugby U20 Championship in Georgia last year.

England U20s are led by head coach Bates who is assisted by Anthony Allen, Richard Blaze and James Ponton as part of the coach development programme agreement between the RFU and Premiership Rugby.“We’ll play high-intensity, high-tempo rugby against Italy."

“We’ll play high-intensity, high-tempo rugby against Italy and I expect us to be robust and direct," added Bates. "We’ve also talked about being reactive throughout the tournament and I think we have a side that is very versatile.

“Excitement is building among the squad, this is the first match of the tournament and we’re determined to make our own history.

“Ben Earl is experienced and was with us all of last season, including throughout the World Rugby U20 Championship. His leadership qualities there were very evident, he is passionate, competitive and leads by example on and off the pitch. He is tactically astute and also a very good player.

“Most of the players in the senior side have played U20 rugby so that shows the strength of the pathway. The pathway is there to promote players through the programme and the new caps will be excited about following in the footsteps of some very special players. They recognise how big an opportunity this is for them.”

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Post by Cumbrian on Wed 31 Jan 2018, 1:45 pm

That is a big back-row for U20 level, Willis is about 18 stone, Moore is about 17 and a half stone and Ben Earl is up above 16 stone. All three can play at number 8 too. It is not going to be a subtle game plan!

Seeing Paul Grayson's son in there is making me feel old! What sort of 10 is he?
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Post by Scottrf on Wed 31 Jan 2018, 1:58 pm

I would say Ford end of the spectrum more than Farrell. Had a torrid time against Falcons this year as they just ran through him, but can be pretty electric for the Wanderers.

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Post by yappysnap on Thu 01 Feb 2018, 7:49 pm

Is Marcus Smith getting more from being in and around the England camp then starting in this tournament?

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Post by ChequeredJersey on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 1:45 am

yappysnap wrote:Is Marcus Smith getting more from being in and around the England camp then starting in this tournament?

Discussed this on CAW and the consensus was yes. More rest, given he’s played a lot this season at top level, time with experienced internationals learning, and if he does play the. It will be for Quins at a level above U20 6N level. He’ll play for them in the U20 World Cup probably, but right now what he doesn’t need is to be flogged every week
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Post by ChequeredJersey on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 1:46 am

Interesting to See Allen coaching!
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Post by ChequeredJersey on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 1:47 am

Also Lamb at 4 gives an extra backrower basically, should be good to watch
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Post by Cumbrian on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 6:47 pm

Watching a live feed from the RFU on Facebook. England have been surprisingly one dimensional and flat. Very inaccurate and poor skills being displayed so far.
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Post by lostinwales on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 7:52 pm

27-17 at the end

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 07 Feb 2018, 11:56 am

England U20 head coach Steve Bates has named his team to face Wales at Kingston Park on Friday (kick-off 7.45pm).
There are six changes to the starting XV that defeated Italy 27-17 in their Six Nations opener last weekend.

“We had a good victory against Italy last Friday in difficult conditions and made a solid start to the tournament," said head coach Steve Bates.

“The players have recovered very quickly from that opening match and the sessions we’ve had this week have been extremely competitive and focused.

“Some of the changes we’ve made have been enforced as we’ve lost players back to their clubs for the weekend’s Premiership fixtures which is a great opportunity for them."

Prop Joe Heyes and centre Cameron Redpath win their first caps at U20 level, while Ehren Painter and Aaron Hinkley could do likewise having been named among the replacements.

Redpath, Painter and Hinkley, who are not part of the U20 elite player squad, are brought in as part of the matchday 23 to take on Wales in Newcastle.

'High-intensity, high-tempo rugby'
The side include four members of the squad that reached the final of the World Rugby U20 championship in Georgia last year.

Scrum-half Ben White captains the side, having made his U20 debut last Friday, with James Grayson outside him.

Toby Trinder is named at loosehead prop with lock Sam Lewis, flanker Josh Basham and wing Jordan Olowofela starting for the first time at U20 level, having also made their debuts against Italy.

“Kingston Park is a quick pitch, which will suit our exciting backs and I’m expecting us to play high-intensity, high-tempo rugby," added Bates.

“Ben White has arrived into the U20 set up with a level of commitment to train and play positively. The way he performed against Italy was outstanding, he was brave, organised, committed and is a great choice for us as captain.”

England U20 team to face Wales

15. Tom Parton (London Irish), 14. Jordan Olowofela (Leicester Tigers), 13. Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints), 12. Cameron Redpath (Sale Sharks), 11. Ben Loader (London Irish), 10. James Grayson (Northampton Saints), 9. Ben White – capt (Leicester Tigers), 1. Toby Trinder (Northampton Saints), 2. Henry Walker (Gloucester), 3. Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers), 4. Dino Lamb (Harlequins), 5. Sam Lewis (Leicester Tigers), 6. Josh Basham (London Irish), 7. Tom Willis (Wasps), 8. Sam Moore (Sale Sharks).

Replacements
16. Gabriel Oghre (Wasps), 17. Alex Seville (Gloucester), 18. Ehren Painter (Northampton Saints), 19. James Scott (Worcester Warriors), 20. Aaron Hinkley (Gloucester), 21. Rory Brand (London Irish), 22. Tom Hardwick (Leicester Tigers), 23. Matt Williams (London Irish).

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 9:38 am

Great for Tigers to have five players in the England 23 and the Welsh captain all come from the academy. After sme fallow years it's a positive step.

Is Matt Williams on the bench the younger brother of Johnny Williams?

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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 10:11 am

Whats happened to Gabriel Ibitoye? Injured/rested or not selected?

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Post by Cumbrian on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 10:56 am

Massive (relative to age) again, all three of them 17st plus.

I find it hard to get too excited about Moore, because I am certain that he will end up playing for Wales. Shame for us really because he is in a position where we don't have as much depth. Same with Redpath and Fraser Dingwall.
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Post by propdavid_london on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 1:25 pm

This game will be the first look I get at a lot of these players.
The result against Italy seemed to be closer than I thought it would be - Is that down to a much improved Italian side?

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Post by Margin_Walker on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 2:32 pm

Matt Williams is unrelated to Johnny, Sam. Primarily a 13, but also covers wing. Has played Challenge Cup rugby this year.

Interestingly all 5 LI lads on the squad played in the same Wellington College school team.

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 8:50 pm

Cant find any info on the England game but Scotland are getting completely smashed. 48-0 currently

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 8:53 pm

England 18-5 at half time

Scotland don't ask

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Post by lostinwales on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 8:56 pm

I think England are going to win somehow

32-5 now

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 9:00 pm

Men vs boys. Always is at this level vs England.
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Post by lostinwales on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 9:42 pm

37-12 at the end

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 23 Feb 2018, 11:41 am

England U20s head coach Steve Bates has named his team to face Scotland on Friday in Edinburgh at Myreside (7.30pm KO).

Three players will win their first cap, while Beck Cutting and Sean Reffell could do so off the bench in England’s third game of the U20 Six Nations.

Bates’ side have so far recorded bonus-point victories in their opening two fixtures against Italy and Wales.

Ollie Lawrence, Tom Seabrook and Cadan Murley are all capped for the first time at U20 level, bringing the total number of new caps used by England in the tournament to 20.

Will Butler will captain the team from inside centre with Lawrence partnering him in midfield. Lawrence, who is part of England’s U18 squad for 2018 is brought in from outside of the U20 Elite Player Squad, along with wing Murley and prop Ehren Painter.

Prop forward Alex Seville, hooker Gabriel Oghre, second row Ted Hill, scrum half Rory Brand and outside half Tom Hardwick start their first matches in this season’s tournament.

“We are looking for another step forward in terms of our intent to play rugby," said Bates.

“We had a much-improved performance against Wales, but we are still looking to improve in certain areas of our game which we felt did not go quite as well as we would have liked.

“We saw some good individual performances against Wales, now we want to play cohesively as a team.

“Scotland at home will be dangerous opponents, their previous results are not necessarily an indicator of a side’s potential as it takes a while to get together as a team in this tournament and we’re expecting a spirited performance off them.

“It’s the curtain raiser to the big game on Saturday and they will want to set the tone so we’ll be ready for a passionate Scotland team.”

England U20s team to face Scotland

15. Jordan Olowofela, 14. Tom Seabrook, 13. Ollie Lawrence, 12. Will Butler - capt, 11. Cadan Murley, 10. Tom Hardwick, 9. Rory Brand, 1. Alex Seville, 2. Gabriel Oghre, 3. Ehren Painter, 4. Ted Hill, 5. Sam Lewis, 6. Josh Basham, 7. Aaron Hinkley, 8. Sam Moore.

Replacements:

16. Beck Cutting, 17. Toby Trinder, 18. Joe Heyes, 19. James Scott, 20. Sean Reffell, 21. Ben White, 22. James Grayson, 23. Fraser Dingwall.

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Post by propdavid_london on Fri 23 Feb 2018, 12:52 pm

Is this on TV tonight?

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 23 Feb 2018, 12:58 pm

Don't think so. (Based on info I had before the first game)

First game was not televised as such but apparently was available via England Rugby Facebook.

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Post by Cumbrian on Sat 24 Feb 2018, 8:10 am

Sounds like a good win for Scotland, is that the first time they have beaten us at this level?

I didn't see the game (and I don't want to detract from the Scots' victory) but England have not looked at the races this year in the games I have seen.
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Post by BigGee on Sat 24 Feb 2018, 9:13 am

Cumbrian wrote:Sounds like a good win for Scotland, is that the first time they have beaten us at this level?

I didn't see the game (and I don't want to detract from the Scots' victory) but England have not looked at the races this year in the games I have seen.

I ink it is the second time. It happened a few years back, last time it was played in Scotland I think, when we had some exceptional young players and England probably were not fully focused.

The thing this time is that this crop of Scottish lads are young and inexperienced, very few back from last year and hardly any professional experience. They got seriously humped by France and Wales and then some of the coaches got suspended for getting into an altercation whilst late night drinking down in Wales.

So in effect, this result came out of nowhere, no-one was giving them a chance, just hoping they did not make fools of themselves. It says a lot about them that they did rise to the occasion, even if England were not fully focused.

The disparity in experience and resources, between England and Scotland is far starker at than it is at the full professional level and really these are games we should never be winning. So hats off to our young lads. Clearly there is some talent and endeavour there which we will hopefully see work its way through over the years.

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Post by Cumbrian on Sat 24 Feb 2018, 10:17 am

It was quite an inexperienced England team too, but there were a number of highly rated players in the side, so fair play to the young Scots. OK

I know you said they are inexperienced, but are there any of the Scots you expect to go onto full honours?

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Post by BigGee on Sat 24 Feb 2018, 10:51 am

There are no Johnny Gray's or Zander Fagerson's in amongst the young Scot's, the only stand out player in the group, who almost certainly will get capped is Matt Fagerson, Zander's brother and he has not played yet as Glasgow have not released him. There are only a couple who are even on the fringes of the pro sides.

There are high hopes for McLelland, the IC who has been brought in to Edinburgh from rugby league under the new Scottish Qualified pathway, but way to early to know if he will make the grade.

There is also a South African LH, McBeth (he does at least sound as if he is Scottish) who is on the books of the Golden Lions. He has benched for the first three games but seems to be highly rated and turned down overtures from SA to play in their u20s. He is believed to be weighing up his options. Again though, way to early to know if he will make the grade.

Maybe some of them will now come through and show that they have the pedigree to become international players. For some of them, this will be their main opportunity to show they can cut it at this level.

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Post by Welly on Sun 25 Feb 2018, 10:46 am

Robbie Smith looked good.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 02 Mar 2018, 5:56 pm

Wales beat Scotland, who beat England, after England beat Wales and seemingly laboured past Italy... then Wales went on to beat Ireland. Maybe some teams are weaker some weekends due to enforced rotation, I know Wales were when 7 players got called back to Regions during round 2.

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Post by Recwatcher16 on Sat 10 Mar 2018, 8:22 am

Solid win against France in Beziers last night, in torrential conditions.
Ben Earl the Saracens flanker and captain looks a prospect. Impressive defence against a strong french set up. Steve Bates quoted that the English attack hasn't got going yet, which bodes well.

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