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Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by LondonTiger on Fri 02 Feb 2018, 11:08 am

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When:
Sunday 04 February 2018 15:00 GMT, 16:00 (Local time)


Where:
Stadio Olimpico, Viale dei Gladiatori, Rome, Italy


TV:
ITV, FR2, TV3, DMAX, NBC


Officials:
Referee: Mathieu Raynal (France)
Assistant 1: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant 2: Nic Berry (Australia)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)


Head to Head:
Played - 18
Wins - England 18
Tries - Italy 7, England 48


Teams:

Italy
15 Matteo MINOZZI (Zebre Rugby Club, 3 caps)*
14 Tommaso BENVENUTI (Benetton Rugby, 45 caps)*
13 Tommaso BONI (Zebre Rugby Club, 8 caps)*
12 Tommaso CASTELLO (Zebre Rugby Club, 5 caps)
11 Mattia BELLINI (Zebre Rugby Club, 8 caps)*
10 Tommaso ALLAN (Benetton Rugby, 33 caps)
9 Marcello VIOLI (Zebre Rugby Club, 8 caps)*
8 Sergio PARISSE (Stade Francais, 129 caps) - capitano
7 Renato GIAMMARIOLI (Zebre Rugby Club, 1 cap)*
6 Sebastian NEGRI (Benetton Rugby, 2 caps)
5 Dean BUDD (Benetton Rugby, 6 caps)
4 Alessandro ZANNI (Benetton Rugby, 99 caps)
3 Simone FERRARI (Benetton Rugby, 8 caps)
2 Leonardo GHIRALDINI (Stade Toulosain, 89 caps)
1 Andrea LOVOTTI (Zebre Rugby Club, 20 caps)*

16 Luca BIGI (Benetton Rugby, 6 caps)
17 Nicola QUAGLIO (Benetton Rugby, 2 caps)*
18 Tiziano PASQUALI (Benetton Rugby, 2 caps)
19 George BIAGI (Zebre Rugby Club, 19 caps)
20 Maxime MBANDA’ (Zebre Rugby Club, 11 caps)*
21 Edoardo GORI (Benetton Rugby, 65 caps)*
22 Carlo CANNA (Zebre Rugby Club, 25 caps)
23 Jayden HAYWARD (Benetton Rugby, 3 caps)


England
15 Mike Brown (Harlequins 64 caps)
14 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 28 caps)
13 Ben Te'o (Worcester Warriors 8 caps)
12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 53 caps)
11 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 29 caps)
10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 40 caps)
9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers 73 caps)
1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 44 caps)
2 Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints 89 caps)
3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 77 caps)
4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 47 caps)
5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 14 caps)
6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 61 caps)
7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 59 caps)
8 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 3 caps)


16 Jamie George (Saracens 20 caps)
17 Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs uncapped)
18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs 5 caps)
19 George Kruis (Saracens 21 caps)
20 Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby 3 caps)
21 Danny Care (Harlequins 76 caps)
22 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 35 caps)
23 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs 23 caps)


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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:31 pm

eirebilly wrote:Should that not also be a yellow card? Just because England scored the try is no reason to not punish cynical play.

Indeed ...

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:33 pm

That was glorious from vunipola! I know it's only Italy but England are looking good.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:33 pm

Hands from Mako....sublime!

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:33 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Good try - bit of defensive weakness out wide though?

May was turned inside out by the last pass

I was more meaning the easy gains Italy made on the other wing

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:37 pm

The pace coming onto the ball is fantastic, big improvement on last year. Hartley has been great, as has Lawes.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:38 pm

Sorry to see the injury to Ben Young

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Post by Cumbrian on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:38 pm

Liking the accuracy from England. Runners coming from deep and making a lot of ground. Italy aren't helping themselves though.
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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:39 pm

Please no more lock at 6 soon.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:40 pm

England should get 50 points today. The real rugby is coming to you next weekend Wink.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:40 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Please no more lock at 6 soon.

Was out lock giving away a cheap pen and the 6 disrupting the mail.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:41 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Please no more lock at 6 soon.

It gives a great advantage in lineouts and driving mauls IMO... That's where England can target Wales.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by eirebilly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:42 pm

This may only be Italy but England are running some great attacking lines and showing excellent handling.
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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:42 pm

Nah just the guy brought in to carry with a sloppy handing error....again. 1 or 2 a game.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:43 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Nah just the guy brought in to carry with a sloppy handing error....again. 1 or 2 a game.

You can't watch him play objectively. You just watch for mistakes.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:43 pm

And let's face it. I don't have to look very hard.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:46 pm

Two England penalties on their own line - should probably have got a warning at least

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:47 pm

Watson looks hurt

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:47 pm

It's funny, I'm not impressed by England.


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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:47 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:It's funny,  I'm not impressed by England.

 

Agreed. A couple of very nice passing moves aside, this is sloppy.


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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by eirebilly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:48 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:It's funny,  I'm not impressed by England.

 

I am, think they are playing very well. Italy are playing quite well as well. Very good game so far.
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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:49 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Two England penalties on their own line - should probably have got a warning at least

Anyone any idea what the first one was for when it looked like they'd claimed the loose ball?

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:49 pm

The injury to youngs really disrupted them. Quite a big decision next week. Care will be the very senior partner but does that automatically equate a start?

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:51 pm

Offside heaf.

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:53 pm

But the ball went loose from a tackle so open play with no offside line?

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:53 pm

I didn't say I agreed!

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Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:54 pm

Smile

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 3:56 pm

England looking sharp for me, Italy looking good ball in had as well. COS having an impact.

Itoje has given away by mu count 3 penalties in one half, seems to be trying too hard.

May looking for work and is a real problem for the Italians, just too quick for his own good sometimes.

Lawes one loose ball aside is playing very well, probably the primary carrier, I think 8 carries for 17m, and 7 tackles inside the first 25 minutes, plus good work disrupting the Italian maul.

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:05 pm

Absolutely stupid. Lifting someone in a maul on the refs side?

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:15 pm

I repeat...England not impressing me...

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:15 pm

Twice in that build up we had hands on the ball fairly and got taken off by guys flying off their feet.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:16 pm

Defence hasn't been great

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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:18 pm

The pass off the floor was forwards way before that too ...

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:19 pm

Mako is answering some questions about his scrummaging, he's having a cracking game

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:20 pm

Defence iffy. Set piece good. Well done to both coaches. Attack v good. First game up reasonably happy and this is why I was glad for italy first.

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:21 pm

Simmonds Smile

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Post by Heaf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:22 pm

He's got a bit of pace hasn't he ...

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:24 pm

2 pens off that maul. Has to be a warning at the very least should be a yellow really.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:25 pm

Woeful attempted tackle by Brown!!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:26 pm

Probably saved us a yellow...

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:26 pm

In touch, but ref could give a penalty against Brown? Tackle looks a bit high.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:27 pm

Really they awarded it...

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:27 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:In touch, but ref could give a penalty against Brown? Tackle looks a bit high.

That's what I thought they'd give.

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:27 pm

I thought he was in touch, but can't complain too much about the benefit of the doubt.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:28 pm

Well Ireland will not fear anything they've seen today!!

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:29 pm

Nor Wales, France or Scotland either...

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Post by lostinwales on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:29 pm

Heaf wrote:He's got a bit of pace hasn't he ...

I don't think he's gonna run through people but he can certainly run around them

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Post by Scottrf on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:29 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Well Ireland will not fear anything they've seen today!!

It's Wales next week!

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:30 pm

How any penalties has Itoje given away today?

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Post by eirebilly on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:32 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Well Ireland will not fear anything they've seen today!!

I don't know, Italy has scored 2 try's against England so far and Ireland could not get one against France. Italy may give Ireland a wee run next weekend.
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Re: Italy vs England - Matchday Thread

Post by Duty281 on Sun 04 Feb 2018, 4:33 pm

Referees seem very keen to keep cards in the pocket this week.

Very tepid from England after the opening two tries. Too many penalties given away and too many tackles missed.

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