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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 08 Feb 2018, 6:49 pm

1).Interesting rather than rivetting climax to last week's Waste Management action. Hasn't the 18th hole at TPC Scottsdale become rather an anticlimax after the crescendo of all the hullabaloo from #15, 16, 17? Instead of a hole worthy of crowning the build up from the back nine, we have a ho-hum medium length Par-4 which favours a relatively low risk tee-shot such that the Gary Woodlands of the Tour can launch their drive over most of the trouble and have some kind of lofted wedge to the green. Regardless of how one feels about the extra length that modern equipment affords, surely the trouble off the tee should penalise equally drivers of all distances, but increasingly that's no longer the case.

2).Not that Woodland will be too fussed, as he moves to 7th place in the early season Ryder Cup standings. Top 12 now:
Top 8 automatic qualifying places: DJ, Koepka, Thomas, Spieth, Kuchar, Harman, Woodland, Fowler.
Next 4: Reed, Kizzire, Reavie, Steele.
Early days though.

3).Back to California this week and the AT&T National Pro-Am. By the end of play on Sunday most of the Tour's members will be into their season, even the late starters and those who haven't teed it up yet will likely be at Riviera next week.
The Waialae, Torrey Pines, TPC Scottsdale, Pebble Beach and Riviera tournaments are all usually kind to course specialists. This week we have multiple winners Phil, DJ and Snedeker; typically this lot, and a few others, play well also at Riviera and Torrey Pines. Grasses are fairly similar and coastal California seems to suit some players' seasonal rhythm of form. California boys Pat Perez and, in their primes, Hunter Mahan & Nick Watney are others who fit the bill, Kevin Sutherland & Oberholser in years gone by. And O'Meara their standard bearer from a generation ago. Perhaps Cantlay or one of the other locals can carry on this trend?

4).There's a strong International contingent here, including Casey & Donald, McDowell (extraordinary that he hasn't played here more often) & Rory, Shane & Seamus, Paul Dunners & Padraig. Rafa C-B is playing and even Adam Scott. But internationals haven't historically fared well, Vijay the only winner since Brett Ogle 25 years ago.

5).I'm taking Phil as my one-and-done this week, probably for sentimental reasons as much as anything - a fabulous record around Pebble Beach and his duel with Tiger a few years ago was one of the most compelling final rounds of recent years.
Riviera next week and we'll try to follow up the Cal horses-for-courses theme that was planned for this week until winter intervened.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 12:50 am

Leading European Tour member after Round 1 is Julian Suri, one ahead of Casey.

Nice work from Rory & Shane.

But terrible from Adam Scott, and not much better from Luke Donald & Patrick Reed..

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Post by McLaren on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 12:19 pm

Great scheduling from Lowry. Wink
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Post by sirbenson on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 1:02 pm

Gary Woodland must be one of the biggest underachievers on tour I would say. What a talent, great to see him win last week! 5 years between wins is far too long for someone like him!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 1:59 pm

sirb,
Butch Harmon reportedly brought Pete Cowen in to help Woodland with his short game. Now paying dividends.


In the web.com event in Colombia, Jonathan Kaye was dq'd - perhaps in trouble for the way he flashed his credentials again?

Mac,
All very well to be facetious about Shane Lowry, but given the number of events he's likely to play he pretty much needs to average his current T16 thru the season. Slight exaggeration but not much. Would think these Cal events suit him as much as any on Tour.

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Post by NedB-H on Fri 09 Feb 2018, 8:48 pm

Is there a pro golfer out there with as many putting meltdowns as McIlroy? Just five-putted from the front edge for double bogey. He can be painful to watch on the greens.... at least I accept my incompetence over four-footers and dribble them down there instead of bashing them four feet past the other way.

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Post by McLaren on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 10:54 am

Have any of you ever read or seen a good analysis of why Rory is so bad at putting?
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Post by NedB-H on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 11:35 am

I haven’t. I’ve heard a lot of commentators call him “streaky” though, which is generous. Just because he doesn’t five putt every round he plays, doesn’t make him streaky, I don’t think I’ve ever seen him have a genuinely good putting round like a Spieth or a Poulter.

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Post by LadyPutt on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 1:00 pm

I think the trouble with Rory is that he never gets his approach shots close enough to the pin - usually about 15 to 20ft away - which puts pressure on his putting. It’s all very well bombing it off the tee but if your second shot is nowhere near the pin, you’re under pressure every time. Just my opinion Wink
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Post by beninho on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 1:04 pm

Rory is a golf great even with average putting. Must mean he is some player.

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Post by Shotrock on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 1:50 pm

Here's my observation: Rory, like Tiger before him, is untouchable when firing on all cylinders. Because of this, many (including me) seem to hold him to an extraordinary standard. When Rory (Speith too) goes into a dry spell, it just seems magnified.

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Post by GPB on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 2:17 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Leading European Tour member after Round 1 is Julian Suri, one ahead of Casey.

Kuchar shot 66. Very Happy

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Post by McLaren on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 7:13 pm

Shotrock, I agree that we probably hold Rory to unrealistically high standards but his ability to put 4 rounds together has deteriorated noticeably since 2014. I know he won the fedex in 2016 but over the last 3 seasons it hasn't seemed like he has fired on all cylinders very often.

As ben said he is already a great but I doubt he would be happy if his powers peaked in his mid 20's never to really resurface again.
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Post by NedB-H on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 9:01 pm

I don’t see much wrong with Rory’s all round game, unless you’re Tiger you don’t win every week and he had two good results in the desert. Last year he was going through a swing change and still made his way into the major leaderboards.
I do worry about his rocky relationship with his putter though. Assuming the better half of putting is believing you’ll make the putt... you watch Westwood and he doesn’t make as many as he should because he’s not confident of it going in. You watch McIlroy on a bad day and he’s even worse because he looks like he KNOWS he’s going to miss. Not making your fair share of 20-footers is one thing, but you can’t compete at tour level four- and five-putting greens, or three-putting several times a round.
At the moment he’s got the game to compensate, but history tells us that putting struggles take their toll in the end: see Watson, Langer, Westwood etc.

Kwini may be interested to see Walton Heath’s Ben Taylor leading the Web.com with a few holes left of the third round. His three round score should just be a couple worse than the two round score of the local amateur Bell, who apparently bought his way into the field and went 93-105. Then refused to sign the second scorecard and got chalked up as a DQ.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sat 10 Feb 2018, 9:10 pm

59 watch for The Wizard? -10 after 18 holes, five shots better than anyone else @ Monterey.


Poor so far from Rory, McDool, Padraig and Dunners, but Shane rolling along. Hope we see a snowball effect in to his second nine.


Thanks Ned,
Just got in after missing the first 2 1/2 rounds - Taylor seems to be on a pretty good trajectory.
Good round in Florida from Broadhurst too.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 12:41 pm

Ben Taylor's a big boy isn't he??!! 3-stroke lead going into the Final Round of web.com competition in Colombia.


Almost certainly the largest non-Major fourth round field of the year teeing it up at Pebble Beach in a few hours - amateurs, amateurs' pro partners who didn't make the cut and 75 pros; haven't counted the exact number but these guys (and girls?) will find it slow going. And they've somehow got Mike Weir (had a very good record at PB in his day) going out with his amateur partner in a twosome.

Jon Rahm, Paul Casey, Russell Knox, Rafa, Shane and the ubiquitous Alex Cejka are the European survivors, all chasing Dustin Johnson & Ted Potter with Jason Day breathing down their necks. Should be a spectacle, albeit in slow motion.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 1:25 pm

Good field at Riviera, but no Sergio - given his record in LA that seems surprising. Rahm also taking the week off, but Fleetwood (no Fish or Hatton) Kaymer & Pieters will be in the house.

Charley Hoffman w/d from Pebble Beach with a back injury. Unusual for him, hope nothing serious.

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Post by GPB on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 2:08 pm

Sergio is in the preliminary Honda Field.

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Post by McLaren on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 8:01 pm

Skimming through the leaderboard the euro leaderboard looks like this at the moment.

Rahm T6
Casey T13
knox T18
Jeager T27 (anyone know more about him?)
Lowry T38 (could really do with a decent last few holes)
Cejka T61
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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 8:12 pm

Jaeger is a German national who moved to what appears to be a prep school before going to Uni in the US. Been on the web.com Tour for 2 or 3 years - shot a 58 out there 18 months ago.

DJ making heavy weather of this.

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Post by NedB-H on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 8:23 pm

Add RCB in to your list Mac.

Wasn’t expecting a Potter/Reavie/Merritt shootout today. Hopefully we might actually see some shots at some point. Never occurred to me before, but I’ve just noticed the cut from Dougherty and Howell looking dapper in their studio, to Faldo and Nantz looking like overdressed air traffic control guys. Why do they make them wear those massive headsets? Can they not afford the technology the rest of the world has used for the last twenty five years?

Ben Taylor cruising home in Colombia. Good finishes for Gonzo and Brian Davis too. Seems like a strong start to the year from Team Korea in the Web.com also.

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Post by I'm never wrong on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 9:08 pm

Wonder how bad Howell’s back is if he has to take 3 more clubs than Dougherty to a par 3.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 9:56 pm

Who's going to win this thing?
Terrible 3rd shots from DJ & Potter on #14.
When Potter won his only Tour victory, it was treated and tweeted by his web.com mates, including Russell Knox, as if he was some kind of golfing savant. Injuries have got in his way since; interesting to see how he handles the run-in.

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Post by NedB-H on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 10:11 pm

I’m quite enjoying the way Potter’s gone about things. Half his round being exemplary course management, playing percentage irons and missing right sides, and the other half seeing shots completely differently to everyone else. Faldo is baffled.

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Post by Shotrock on Sun 11 Feb 2018, 11:21 pm

I agree Ned. This guy just keeps plodding along. Making the difficult look pretty easy. Good for him.

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 12:19 am

First Lefty-Lefty quinella since Torrey Pines 2011. When Bubba beat Phil.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 1:09 am

Quite the foursome @ T2: Phil, J'Day, DJ & Reavie.

Pity Casey got his customary nosebleed when he got within sniffing distance of the lead - kinda fancy him for next week regardless. But only each way!

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Post by pedro on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 1:34 am

GPB wrote:First Lefty-Lefty quinella since Torrey Pines 2011.  When Bubba beat Phil.
You just knew that?
Also first Potter-Pothead quinella I reckon?

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:09 am

McLaren wrote:Shotrock, I agree that we probably hold Rory to unrealistically high standards but his ability to put 4 rounds together has deteriorated noticeably since 2014.  I know he won the fedex in 2016 but over the last 3 seasons it hasn't seemed like he has fired on all cylinders very often.

As ben said he is already a great but I doubt he would be happy if his powers peaked in his mid 20's never to really resurface again.

You could say the same for a great many players Mac, only for them to get back to hitting top form, Rev Boredan Spieth being an example, Black Hole Johnson being another.

Rory will always have the ability, the question is whether with $300m in the bank, can he still be arsed?

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Post by BlueCoverman on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 1:12 pm

Back to that easy course again for the 150th Open in 2021 then super... Wink

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 1:38 pm

Hopefully super will qualify . . . . . . . . .


Turnberry for 2022, or Lytham?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 2:49 pm

Hadn't realized that Li Haotong is also in the Riviera field.

This weekend sees the cut-off for qualification for WGC-Mexico under these exemption criteria:

R2D: Top Ten - currently;
Sharma
Fleetwood
Li Haotong
McIlroy
Paisley
Frittelli
Campillo
Ormsby
Fish
Kiradech

owgr: Top 50 (second cut-off for owgr Top 50 on Feb 26th)
Top Mexican.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 3:24 pm

Golf Channel confirms that Jason Day will join Rory in skipping the Mexican fiesta.

Also still uncertainty about the plans for Woods and Spieth after Riviera. No accord on Honda yet from Tiger and Spieth will not be there.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 6:25 pm

BlueCoverman wrote:Back to that easy course again for the 150th Open in 2021 then super... Wink  

Those unimaginative, boring, predictable old farts at the R&A. I actually saw Martin Slumbers yesterday, said nothing about the Open obviously.
Holding back The Open for one year so they could attach some sort of sentimental crap to it being the 150th is just pathetic. I wish they'd do something original for a change and only hold it there every 10 years.
The Open is fast becoming the very worst major on the rota, if it isn't already.

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Post by NedB-H on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 7:08 pm

The Open's much more fun when it's blowing a hoolie, particularly at St Andrews but at all the courses to some extent. Maybe they should move it to February.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 7:16 pm

Trouble is, if your course requires weather for it to be considered a good tournament, doesn't say much for Mac's claim of it being genius course design.


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Post by pedro on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:00 pm

Maybe that explains why Scotland has so many geniously (!) designed courses? Whistle

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Post by Davie on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:10 pm

super_realist wrote:
BlueCoverman wrote:Back to that easy course again for the 150th Open in 2021 then super... Wink  

Those unimaginative, boring, predictable old farts at the R&A. I actually saw Martin Slumbers yesterday, said nothing about the Open obviously.
Holding back The Open for one year so they could attach some sort of sentimental crap to it being the 150th is just pathetic. I wish they'd do something original for a change and only hold it there every 10 years.
The Open is fast becoming the very worst major on the rota, if it isn't already.

Hook, line and sinker BCM - bravo!

who is Martin Slumbers BTW?

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:11 pm

The 2017-18 season a little more than 30% completed. Here are some players not on pace to be in the Playoffs:

Brandt Snedeker
Graham DeLaet
Charley Hoffman
Graeme McDowell
Bill Haas
Billy Horschel
Jimmy Walker
Tyrrell Hatton
Ian Poulter
Nick Watney
Sangmoon Bae
Steve Stricker
Tommy Fleetwood
Adam Scott
Bubba Watson
Thomas Pieters
Francesco Molinari
Tiger Woods
Davis Love III
Luke Donald
Ernie Els
Ross Fisher
Geoff Ogilvy
Stuart Appleby
Padraig Harrington

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Post by beninho on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:12 pm

The St Andrews debate again? Pro players rave about it, some declare it as their favourite course. But nameless faceless from scotchland says its crap. Oh, it was a fishing expedition, and it caught a whopper!

Anyway, anyone seem the billy hurley tweet, good to see a sense of humour.

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Post by Davie on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:18 pm

GPB wrote:The 2017-18 season a little more than 30% completed.  

Ridiculous isn't it? I can't get my head around the fact the "season" is almost 1/3 of the way through already and here we are, not quite mid February yet, still a couple of months before the first Major and we are saying 1/3rd of the way there? Can someone give me a good reason other than money why?

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Post by super_realist on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:21 pm

Yes, We've been over this before Beninho, it's golfing heresy to say anything bad about St.Andrews, everyone knows that,  it's like when a band turns up at  (insert venue here) and says it's their favourite venue, or like having the FA Cup final at Turf Moor because it's old, but it's not exactly suitable for the purpose is it?
I'm sure some of the dewey eyed Yanks might like it because of the "history" and what it means to them to win there, but regardless of the quality of the course they would say the same, and it's not because the course is amazing, because even Mac admitted it was pretty drab.

I'm not saying it's a bad course as such, it's just a course which is played too often on the rota, and seldom gives us an Open which is even slightly interesting. Not sure that there's even an argument there. 2015, 2010, 2005, 2000 and 1995 were all forgettable, and there's a common theme.

If you want to make The Open a great tournament, you need to get rid of about 50% of the courses on the rota and draw up a new one.


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Post by Shotrock on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 8:22 pm

Davie - I think you answered your own question there.

I agree it seems crazy the "season" is 1/3 through when the "season" (here at least) hasn't near started.

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Post by McLaren on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 9:10 pm

super_realist wrote:because even Mac admitted it was pretty drab.

No I didn't.


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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 9:50 pm

Interesting that Slumbers woke up after announcing the 2021-to-TOC decision to say that 2022's Open will definitely be in England, Lytham presumably; Turnberry won't be considered until 2023 (they'd have to knock off Muirfield) at the earliest.

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Post by NedB-H on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:19 pm

super_realist wrote:

If you want to make The Open a great tournament, you need to get rid of about 50% of the courses on the rota and draw up a new one.
OK I'll ask. Assuming we stick with the links requirement, and meeting the spectator criteria with access, accommodation nearby, room for stands etc. Which courses are you keeping, and where are you adding?

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Post by GPB on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:21 pm

Davie wrote:
GPB wrote:The 2017-18 season a little more than 30% completed.  

Ridiculous isn't it? I can't get my head around the fact the "season" is almost 1/3 of the way through already and here we are, not quite mid February yet, still a couple of months before the first Major and we are saying 1/3rd of the way there? Can someone give me a good reason other than money why?

Because a calendar should not define a "season"?

The NBA and NHL seasons are about half finished.  Around these parts, a school year is 60% completed.  Mid August to Mid May

Just because a calendar used to define a PGATour golf season, doesn't mean it has to continue to define a season.

(and to clarify, the Regular season is 30+% over. Didn't include the FEX playoffs, which makes the entire season about 25+% over.)

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Re: PGA Tour: AT&T National Pro-Am: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by NedB-H on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:32 pm

GPB wrote:
Davie wrote:
GPB wrote:The 2017-18 season a little more than 30% completed.  

Ridiculous isn't it? I can't get my head around the fact the "season" is almost 1/3 of the way through already and here we are, not quite mid February yet, still a couple of months before the first Major and we are saying 1/3rd of the way there? Can someone give me a good reason other than money why?

Because a calendar should not define a "season"?

The NBA and NHL seasons are about half finished.  Around these parts, a school year is 60% completed.  Mid August to Mid May

Just because a calendar used to define a PGATour golf season, doesn't mean it has to continue to define a season.
I'd agree on the "mid-February" point, and focus on the "couple of months before the Majors" point. I can see an argument that having half your season finished by the time casual fans start paying attention at Augusta might not be ideal. I guess the Tour decides it was worth it to have their big finale in early autumn rather than November/December.

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Re: PGA Tour: AT&T National Pro-Am: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by NedB-H on Mon 12 Feb 2018, 10:58 pm

Hadn’t seen that the Web.com Colombia event had produced this year’s Grayson Murray on twitter, by the name of Lee McCoy...:


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Re: PGA Tour: AT&T National Pro-Am: Notes from the Ballwasher

Post by pedro on Tue 13 Feb 2018, 12:17 am

kwinigolfer wrote:Hopefully super will qualify . . . . . . . . .
At this rate he may end up getting an exemption as best Scotsman..

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