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Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Noble-Surfer on Tue 20 Feb 2018, 12:20 pm

First topic message reminder :

So, Wales have gone with Dan Biggar, Liam Williams & Leigh Halfpenny for the game against Ireland. George North & Gareth Anscombe drop to the bench, and Rhys Patchell & Josh Adams drop out of the match day squad. Not bad decisions in my opinion, though I think I might have had Patchell on the bench over Anscombe... and possibly switched Halfpenny & Williams- I just think Williams offers more threat from fullback than Halfpenny does.

Wales Team:
Halfpenny (Scarlets); L Williams (Saracens), S Williams (Scarlets), Parkes (Scarlets), S Evans (Scarlets); Biggar (Ospreys), G Davies (Scarlets); R Evans (Scarlets), Owens (Scarlets), Lee (Scarlets), Hill (Dragons), AW Jones (Ospreys capt), Shingler (Scarlets), Navidi (Cardiff Blues), Moriarty (Gloucester).

Replacements:
Dee (Dragons), W Jones (Scarlets), Francis (Exeter Chiefs), B Davies (Ospreys), Tipuric (Ospreys), A Davies (Scarlets), Anscombe (Blues), North (Northampton).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43127349

Ireland Team:
Kearney; Earls, Farrell, Aki, Stockdale; Sexton, Murray; Healy, Best (capt), Porter; James Ryan, Toner; O'Mahony, Leavy, Stander.

Replacements: Cronin, McGrath, John Ryan, Roux, Conan, Marmion, Carbery, McFadden.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/43152956


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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by carpet baboon on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 12:34 pm

Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:22 pm

Just heard about heaslip. Shame for him but a great career.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:31 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

Leavy is incredible. The great thing about the Ireland performance is that all the young guys that debuted or stepped in were all outstanding. Was at the game and was so happy with how Chris Farrell played, my God he was good. I think he should be our starting 13 now. Porter and Ryan really stood up too. I think Ireland B would give most teams a really good game now.

It is unreal that we have 4 first class centers now, Aki, Farrell, Henshaw and Ringrose. Even Payne too if he comes back.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:37 pm

TightHEAD wrote:The crowd is quiet. Soulless stadium.
Were you at the game? I was and it wasn't particularly quiet at all. I have been to all the six nations stadia and Stade de France is probably the worst for atmosphere IMO.


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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by rodders on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:38 pm

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carpet baboon wrote:Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

Leavy is incredible. The great thing about the Ireland performance is that all the young guys that debuted or stepped in were all outstanding. Was at the game and was so happy with how Chris Farrell played, my God he was good. I think he should be our starting 13 now. Porter and Ryan really stood up too. I think Ireland B would give most teams a really good game now.

It is unreal that we have 4 first class centers now, Aki, Farrell, Henshaw and Ringrose. Even Payne too if he comes back.

Totally agree with all of that.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:44 pm

eirebilly wrote:The major concern for me was Ireland had 70% possession and looked very gassed in the last 10mins. That and the fact that Wales scored 27 points with only 30% possession. A side like England will not allow Ireland 70% possession.

Well Ireland had 61% possession against them last year and England aren't as good this year particularly at the breakdown. Id say we will dominate possession against them too.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:47 pm

rodders wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

Leavy is incredible. The great thing about the Ireland performance is that all the young guys that debuted or stepped in were all outstanding. Was at the game and was so happy with how Chris Farrell played, my God he was good. I think he should be our starting 13 now. Porter and Ryan really stood up too. I think Ireland B would give most teams a really good game now.

It is unreal that we have 4 first class centers now, Aki, Farrell, Henshaw and Ringrose. Even Payne too if he comes back.

Totally agree with all of that.

Now all that needs to be done is tighten and tighten the game plan around them (A team and B team) by attacking the weak areas ruthlessly. We need a physically domineering side (got that) with technical savvy in all the set-piece areas (got that) with an ability to hunt at speed when need be (working on it) that is capable of doing many many minutes in energy sapping defence (got that) and that has a defence that's watertight against most kitchen sinks that might be thrown at it (way off target on this one!).

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:48 pm

I think the main work-on is our defense out wide.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 1:51 pm

For certain.  Though I think a main issue with it is that it contrasts with other important defensive thought processes closer to the centre.  There'll have top be a balance of risk found and a way to modify the defence as opposition teams modify their attack.  Wales decided to stop knocking things up the middle, keep ball in hand and stretch their legs - and straight away Ireland's shape was a major weakness.  Has to be addressed that players follow the opposition thought processes.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by carpet baboon on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 2:55 pm

I will happily admit I was worried about Farrell. Hadn't seen much of him since he's been back at Munster and what I had seen didn't impress me.
But by God on Saturday he was everything people said he was and then some.
I would still love to see him and mckloskey start together mind

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 2:56 pm

carpet baboon wrote:I will happily admit I was worried about Farrell. Hadn't seen much of him since he's been back at Munster and what I had seen didn't impress me.
But by God on Saturday he was everything people said he was and then some.
I would still love to see him and mckloskey start together mind

He was unreal wasn't he. Defo the MOTM for me.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by rodders on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:22 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:I think the main work-on is our defense out wide.

You know what, I actually think it hasn't been as bad as it appears.

Against France there were a couple of individual errors that led to the Thomas try, but if you look a week later he scores a very similar try against Scotland, so sometimes you have to praise individual brilliance.

Against Italy, the re jigged midfield with Earls coming into the center and a debuting Larmour definitely caused an issue in the second half. I honestly would bet we wouldn't have conceded 3 tries had Henshaw not gone off.

In all the games we were well up but switched off a bit later on, plus a combination of individual errors exasperating things but these can be fixed.

Joe is also taking more risks in terms of selection, with an eye on 2020 so this is leading to a bit less cohesion in defense.

I think it is a worry but when you add in a few mitigating factors I think our defense is in better shape than it looks.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:24 pm

Just that boring note of caution again. Welsh players and Gatland and coaches probably thought the same thing. (thought Ireland were a weakened side with Farrell and his newbie mates there) So they were hit by his performance but also by the shock of it. The other sides coming up will be more prepared.
It's all a learning curve - we learn things from the England v Wales game... they learn things from the Ireland v Wales game.
Farrell certainly looks full of pump and we all hope it's the real deal and that it's consistent.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:28 pm

rodders wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I think the main work-on is our defense out wide.

You know what, I actually think it hasn't been as bad as it appears.

Against France there were a couple of individual errors that led to the Thomas try, but if you look a week later he scores a very similar try against Scotland, so sometimes you have to praise individual brilliance.  

Against Italy, the re jigged midfield with Earls coming into the center and a debuting Larmour definitely caused an issue in the second half. I honestly would bet we wouldn't have conceded 3 tries had Henshaw not gone off.

In all the games we were well up but switched off a bit later on, plus a combination of individual errors exasperating things but these can be fixed.

Joe is also taking more risks in terms of selection, with an eye on 2020 so this is leading to a bit less cohesion in defense.

I think it is a worry but when you add in a few mitigating factors I think our defense is in better shape than it looks.  

I agree to be honest. Some of it may be down to inexperience in the back line alright which is easily solved. We have still conceded less tries than most teams and scored more than anyone.

Scotland's attack will be the acid test IMO.

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:32 pm

Breakdown will be the target area for that acid test. Scotland were getting their way there for fun against England. But then England seemed to be standing off those clashes to keep their width.

I didn't get to see the 'classic' Wales v Scotland game. Where were the Welsh making the Scots look so ordinary? What was the breakdown area like?

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Post by rodders on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:39 pm

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rodders wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:I think the main work-on is our defense out wide.

You know what, I actually think it hasn't been as bad as it appears.

Against France there were a couple of individual errors that led to the Thomas try, but if you look a week later he scores a very similar try against Scotland, so sometimes you have to praise individual brilliance.  

Against Italy, the re jigged midfield with Earls coming into the center and a debuting Larmour definitely caused an issue in the second half. I honestly would bet we wouldn't have conceded 3 tries had Henshaw not gone off.

In all the games we were well up but switched off a bit later on, plus a combination of individual errors exasperating things but these can be fixed.

Joe is also taking more risks in terms of selection, with an eye on 2020 so this is leading to a bit less cohesion in defense.

I think it is a worry but when you add in a few mitigating factors I think our defense is in better shape than it looks.  

I agree to be honest. Some of it may be down to inexperience in the back line alright which is easily solved. We have still conceded less tries than most teams and scored more than anyone.

Scotland's attack will be the acid test IMO.

It's incredible actually when you think about it.

We are 3 wins from 3, Five points clear at the top of the table with another home game to play having beaten France in Paris for the second time in 50 years and a Welsh side a lot tipped to beat us, all despite missing 5-6 key players and still people are moaning.

It really says a lot about the level of expectation in Ireland and how consistently excellent we have been under Joe that people are nitpicking about the defense and tactics etc.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 3:45 pm

yeah but no but............ it's the miracle drop kick for the win in France, it's the glorious intercept for the win against Wales, and if Italy had only scored six more tries they'd have easily beat us too! Shocked Run

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:08 pm

rodders wrote:

It's incredible actually when you think about it.

We are 3 wins from 3, Five points clear at the top of the table with another home game to play having beaten France in Paris for the second time in 50 years and a Welsh side a lot tipped to beat us, all despite missing 5-6 key players and still people are moaning.

It really says a lot about the level of expectation in Ireland and how consistently excellent we have been under Joe that people are nitpicking about the defense and tactics etc.  

It really is. Schmidt has now managed the same number of games as Kidney did and yet Schmidt is now on a 71% win record which is easily the highest of any Ireland manager of all time. We have never been defeated under Schmidt in Dublin in the 6 nations and only 3 times in total (NZx2 & Ausx1) against all teams not including the RCW warm up loss to Wales at the Aviva. Remarkable consistency.

Despite losing some of the most high profile rugby players Ireland have ever had Schmidt's Ireland has still managed to contest every six nations they have entered achieving two wins and one 2nd place and one 3rd. We are on course to win again this year. That's incredible consistency through rather significant transition.

There have been so many firsts under Schmidt. We are currently on a 10 match win streak which equals his best and Ireland's best ever and a chance to get our record v Scotland in the next game.

Yet there is soooooooo much moaning. It is staggering.


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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by rodders on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:11 pm

Fly I'm going to go out on a limb here, I believe we'll win the GS this year and next and beat the ABs in the RWC final in Japan and finish the year 2020 IRB no 1.

Then Joe will leave, Andy will take over and the whole thing will go to pot.

We'll drop out of the top 10 the provinces will go bust due to the falling interest in the national team and there'll be an exodus of our best players to France and Japan.

Enjoy the good times while they last folks.
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Post by rodders on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:14 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
There have been so many firsts under Schmidt.

Joe is a genius of our time, my last post is a bit in jest (but not totally..) and we'll never see the likes of him again.

I really think people won't really appreciate him until he is gone.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:19 pm

rodders wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
There have been so many firsts under Schmidt.

Joe is a genius of our time, my last post is a bit in jest (but not totally..) and we'll never see the likes of him again.

I really think people won't really appreciate him until he is gone.  

Yes I know.

Granted France aren't great lately but under Schmidt we have only lost to them once in 6 games now. Who would have expected that 10 years ago?? We also beat them under Schmidt at the RWC for the 1st time in 4 attempts. In the 10 year period between 2003 and 2013 we only won 1 game v France for example and that was for the GS.

There are sooooo many firsts under Schmidt.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:26 pm

rodders wrote:Fly I'm going to go out on a limb here, I believe we'll win the GS this year and next and beat the ABs in the RWC final in Japan and finish the year 2020 IRB no 1.

Then Joe will leave, Andy will take over and the whole thing will go to pot.

We'll drop out of the top 10 the provinces will go bust due to the falling interest in the national team and there'll be an exodus of our best players to France and Japan.

Enjoy the good times while they last folks.

And we'll only be able to encourage old has-been wrecks of coaches to do the job for us at a bargain basement price. Maybe someone like Jake White or............. oh that other guy that's getting on a bit now........ Warren Gatland.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:54 pm

carpet baboon wrote:Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

Clear obstruction by Best.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 4:56 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:Can I just bring up Dan leaveys try. He fecking destroyed Moriarty before he went over the line.
Standing start Moriarty fly's out. Leavy just smashes him into the ground. Beautiful

Clear obstruction by Best.

I'm sure Wayne Barnes would have found something wrong with it anyway. Luckily he wasn't reffing. Yahoo

It wasn't really obstruction anyway as they were bound together (with a Welsh player) before Best ended up in front. Once there is a ball carrier and another member of each team it is a maul.

Moriarty's defense was also to blame for Aki's try too.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 5:08 pm

Well if we can get Barnes to be our 16th man next year then fair is fair. Even the Irish said last year that Barnes didn't make a difference.

I'll have to re-watch that then, maybe change my perspective. I rate Moriarty but he's been a bit of a passenger in these 3 games. If we had Bradley Davies and Faletau in I don't think we'd have been that underpowered.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 5:10 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Well if we can get Barnes to be our 16th man next year then fair is fair. Even the Irish said last year that Barnes didn't make a difference.

I'll have to re-watch that then, maybe change my perspective. I rate Moriarty but he's been a bit of a passenger in these 3 games. If we had Bradley Davies and Faletau in I don't think we'd have been that underpowered.

I agree he didn't make a difference as Wales were too good but he still was his same old one-sided self.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by carpet baboon on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 10:56 pm

I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Mon 26 Feb 2018, 11:18 pm

Chinese Proverb:

There is always going to be a ref a cheatin' if'n the Irish are a winnin'

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by Collapse2005 on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 8:55 am

carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

They should count themselves lucky that they so often get Barnes v Ireland.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 9:57 am

carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I raise you Munsterfans.com forum! How that site has not been shut down by the police I do not know. I've seen death threats and all sorts on there after a loss.

Moral of the story - we've all got 'em!
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 10:12 am

Genuine death threats or emoto-venting threats?

"I'll kill that little f**ker!" - Dad about his young son who has just smashed every one of his 389 old and cherished LPs. He hopefully doesn't mean a word of it. Whistle

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 10:37 am

It's all much of a muchness now, but I suppose it does have some bearing on how both sides might get on from here on in.

Had Wales actually started their free flowing fight back earlier and if it had worked, and had they gotten ahead with 10 minutes to go; were Ireland really puffed with nothing left in the tank to rage forward again or were they just doing what they do, protecting their lead, tightening up and knuckling down to a 'defensive' mindset rather than an 'attack' mindset?

Gatland seems to think Ireland were pretty much finished, had run their hard yard race and had nothing or little left in the tank.  I just thought Ireland went into 'defence' mode and Wales knew it was coming - everyone does - so went for it when Ireland's mindset changed.

It might have worked - certainly it might have worked.  But I think that Ireland team had a good bit left in the tank if Wales managed to get ahead and there was time on the clock for another Irish surge.  Timing IS everything of course.  Wales WERE smart on that score with the clock.  It just didn't work out for them.

So whilst I do worry a lot about those outside defensive lapses and gapping holes, I don't think Ireland were out of puff.  I haven't always felt that by any means but I do think between these new players coming through that seem much more ready for International than before from the outset, and with whatever fitness and conditioning programs we have running through the ranks, I do have confidence finally that we're beginning to show that many old problem issues for us are gradually being ironed out and resolved.
Not fully there yet but making progress.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:03 am

Fly, what makes you think 'Gatland seems to think Ireland were pretty much finished'? Do you mean because we tried to run in some late tries?
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Post by carpet baboon on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:05 am

The Oracle wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I raise you Munsterfans.com forum!  How that site has not been shut down by the police I do not know.  I've seen death threats and all sorts on there after a loss.  

Moral of the story - we've all got 'em!

Oh I know oracle.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:27 am

The Oracle wrote:Fly, what makes you think 'Gatland seems to think Ireland were pretty much finished'?  Do you mean because we tried to run in some late tries?  

His interview.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:34 am

SecretFly wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Fly, what makes you think 'Gatland seems to think Ireland were pretty much finished'?  Do you mean because we tried to run in some late tries?  

His interview.  

Unlike you to be so short and to the point! What did he say?!
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 11:49 am

I can be anything that suits the mood, Oracle Wink  But chat forums should be 'chat' and not three word tweets in my opinion.  Whistle

Anyway....

so to paraphrase him - your coach that yis should all be listening to when he speaks - he kinda suggested he knew that the last ten minutes would belong to his boys because they put a lot of effort into conditioning and such (ie - fitness levels) - he said you have to wait it out against Ireland, wait for the edge to come off and then afterburn them.

Now that's all true but my point is that he might have afterburned Ireland with superior end-game zoom and all - but let's say he got his four or five point lead.  
What would Ireland do next?  The timing is everything of course and yep, Ireland might not have had time to do anything.  
But had they time, I think they'd have cranked up their version of super conditioning and went at it again - the aggressor.  Wales wouldn't have gotten any more possession or space and we'd have been after you and not the other way round.  That's my thinking.  
My reading of Gatland is that he assumes Ireland wouldn't have anything left at that point to come back at you.

I think he has legitimate argument if talking about Ireland of maybe three/four years ago.  But now............. I don't think so.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:28 pm

carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I'll link to it. Because it's a very good article:

https://gwladrugby.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/play-the-referee/


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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:37 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I'll link to it. Because it's a very good article:

https://gwladrugby.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/play-the-referee/


That is a very interesting read actually. Completely one sided, so it would be good to see some analysis of anything that might have been missed the other way. But very interesting none the less.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:43 pm

Oh here we go....

"we is not interested in the refs, nobody said nothing about no refs...but maybe just let's look at the ref"




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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by carpet baboon on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:45 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I'll link to it. Because it's a very good article:

https://gwladrugby.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/play-the-referee/


So was it another ref that did a poor Wales team out of a win then?

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:46 pm

SecretFly wrote:I can be anything that suits the mood, Oracle Wink  But chat forums should be 'chat' and not three word tweets in my opinion.  Whistle

Anyway....

so to paraphrase him - your coach that yis should all be listening to when he speaks - he kinda suggested he knew that the last ten minutes would belong to his boys because they put a lot of effort into conditioning and such (ie - fitness levels) - he said you have to wait it out against Ireland, wait for the edge to come off and then afterburn them.

Now that's all true but my point is that he might have afterburned Ireland with superior end-game zoom and all - but let's say he got his four or five point lead.  
What would Ireland do next?  The timing is everything of course and yep, Ireland might not have had time to do anything.  
But had they time, I think they'd have cranked up their version of super conditioning and went at it again - the aggressor.  Wales wouldn't have gotten any more possession or space and we'd have been after you and not the other way round.  That's my thinking.  
My reading of Gatland is that he assumes Ireland wouldn't have anything left at that point to come back at you.

I think he has legitimate argument if talking about Ireland of maybe three/four years ago.  But now............. I don't think so.


Thanks 'Fly. Haven't read interviews with Gats yet. Didn't see one linked on the Beeb (my usual first stop for rugby news). My take on it - we had to roll the dice. Wales were far behind on the board. Kicking to the corners and doing the territory game, or trying to go up the middle and hope for penalties, wouldn't have cut it. We had to roll the dice and try to score the high points (i.e. converted tries). So the scoreboard necessitated a change of tactics to Welsh 'running rugby', for me. Personally, I don't think it was because we thought we'd 'out fitness' Ireland. It was more the thought that we have to claw back 20 points or so, we'd left it late, so we need to score some tries. So fling it about, go wide and try to get some tries. And it worked for 10 minutes or so. But we then ended up with the situation in the last minute:

* Scenario 1: Good pass, cutting out the Irish winger, falls to Welsh hands, an extra man over too, who knows what might have happened. Potentially the win.
* Scenario 2: Sh*t pass, nowhere near the Welsh player, straight to the bread basket of the Irish winger, stroll home unopposed, game over.

Like I said, we rolled the dice. And lost.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:50 pm

carpet baboon wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
carpet baboon wrote:I won't link to it but a freind of mine just sent me a Welsh review of the refs performance on Saturday.
It's truly painful to see someone go out of there way with many many stills and short video clips to "prove" the ref cheated Wales out of a win.
Even more embarrassing to see some of the comments left on the article.

I'll link to it. Because it's a very good article:

https://gwladrugby.wordpress.com/2018/02/26/play-the-referee/


So was it another ref that did a poor Wales team out of a win then?

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this? Owens' performance has been a talking point over on the Scotland v England thread. And it has been amicable. Could that not happen here?

I doubt anyone is saying that this is the reason Wales lost. Ireland were clearly the better side. But, as the article says, it's about adapting to the ref which was difficult for Wales to do and eventually we stopped and just backed off from rucks. Ireland didn't give away a ruck penalty until the 79th minute, according to the article. Pretty unheard of these days. The clips show that there should have been some against Ireland. So definitely a talking point. But not the reason we lost the game. Our defense was also poor which has nothing to do with the ref.
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:51 pm

Can any decent Welsh man please explain to me GWLAD????

This GWLAD bit. I haven't got a clue what the hell it's all about but it seems even amongst Welsh posters here, there is a knowledge that the name/entity/organisation/place name/mafia outfit............. whatever the hell it is........... has a bit of a notorious reputation even in Wales.

I've heard some Welsh posters grumble about this word/thing/place/person called GWLAD.

So simple question - what is it all about? Anyone? Is it the nerve centre of the Rebellion?

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:55 pm

The Oracle wrote:

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this?  

Nope.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 12:58 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this?  

Nope.

You're obviously the 606 exception as you seldom discuss anything else. OK

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by carpet baboon on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 1:00 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this?  

Nope.

That entire wordpress article isn't a discussion. It's a the ref didn't let us compete so that's why we lost cry baby tantrum.
It's worded ever so politely, but his final line gives it away for what it is.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 1:01 pm

SecretFly wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this?  

Nope.

You're obviously the 606 exception as you seldom discuss anything else. OK

A discussion requires 2 parties.

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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by The Oracle on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 1:03 pm

SecretFly wrote:Can any decent Welsh man please explain to me GWLAD????

This GWLAD bit.  I haven't got a clue what the hell it's all about but it seems even amongst Welsh posters here, there is a knowledge that the name/entity/organisation/place name/mafia outfit............. whatever the hell it is........... has a bit of a notorious reputation even in Wales.

I've heard some Welsh posters grumble about this word/thing/place/person called GWLAD.

So simple question - what is it all about?  Anyone?  Is it the nerve centre of the Rebellion?

It means 'country' in Welsh. So it depends what context you mean it in. It's probably the most recognizable part of our anthem. It is the name for a poster on here. It is the name for a chat forum, much like 606v2. It's also the name for this blog that's been linked (Gwladrugby). I think I have a coffee mug with Gwlad on it somewhere! It's a word. It's welsh. It's used a lot!
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Re: Ireland v Wales 24/02/2018 14:15

Post by SecretFly on Tue 27 Feb 2018, 1:03 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
SecretFly wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
The Oracle wrote:

Are we not allowed to discuss stuff like this?  

Nope.

You're obviously the 606 exception as you seldom discuss anything else. OK

A discussion requires 2 parties.

So it is allowed after all.

There you go. Glad we cleared up that little misconception

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