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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Thu 01 Mar 2018, 8:06 am

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Slightly surprisingly SA have gone in with only four bowlers, electing to play De Bruyn over the impressive Ngidi - Aussies team unchanged from the final Ashes test.

4 test series should be a good one - Aussies batting first at Kingsmead, and Morkel already causing Bancroft some trouble
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:24 pm

Australia reaping what they sow. Loud mouthed and arrogant, yet cry like babies when they receive it back.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:30 pm

Duty281 wrote:And with odds of South Africa winning this at 2/7, when it should be 1/25, it's print money time.

Too easy.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:35 pm

Khawaja is no more than a home town flat track bully. Can't play spin or the swinging ball. If he wasn't mates with cheat Steve Smith, he wouldn't be in the side.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:44 pm

Steve Smith is out for 7 and leaves the crease to a cacophony of boos. Australia 75 for 5. The writing is on the wall and the paint used for it is drying quickly.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:45 pm

This is glorious to watch
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Post by Marky on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 3:50 pm

57/0 to 59/4 is English levels isn't it?

First the cheating and now copying us. For shame.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:06 pm

86-7 Morkel on a hat trick. As an Englishman it's a joy to see

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:18 pm

Morkel rattles Starc square in the helmet. Real hostile spell from the giant South African speedster

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:24 pm

Morkel bombs out Starc. 8 in the match for the big man

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:28 pm

Lyon run out by a suicidal call by Paine. 94-9

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:42 pm

Australia bowled out for 107 and South Africa win by 322 runs. Morkel ends up with a Michelle Pfeiffer. Congratulations to him and South Africa on an extraordinary day for test cricket.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:42 pm

Big Morne 5-23 and 9 in the match. Australia rolled for 107

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 4:46 pm

Typical Australians: they see England lose all 10 for 52 then just have to outdo it, losing all 10 for 50. Pah!

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 5:50 pm

A hard day for Australia, a hard period they're going through. They'll be scratching their heads, I'm sure, with what to do next, although I'm sure their coach won't be involved in any decisions. It's clear that they need to move forward, tape themselves up and keep some faith in the quality cricketers they do have, rather than tampering with their line up just for the sake of it. Time to show some balls, however roughed up they feel, because whilst it may not seam that things will swing their way, they'll want to be able to hold their heads up high as soon as possible, not be disappointed in their team members.

I don't want to overstep the mark with these comments. Thankfully, they know the rules are in place for a reason.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 6:31 pm

When the Aussie PM got involved asking ( or indicating) Smith should be stood down

The game became incidental.. ..... with their heart & mind not in it, they got rolled over ......in a game they would have lost anyway Shocked

The repercussions are still emerging:

Will Smith 6 Warner be banned for life......too harsh, but if done, will set the benchmark in future, for others to follow

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Post by Marky on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 6:32 pm

Australia are a quality side. They
Are an inspiration to us all.
Cheating is something they really
F**king hate, they think cheats are
Scumbags and I for one agree. I hope they don't
Sack anybody for this,
The ICC should stay calm and not give out a
Lot of penalties.

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 6:51 pm

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22908218/steven-smith-david-warner-face-life-ban-ca

Good, lifetime bans are being discussed.

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Post by msp83 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:01 pm

Smith banned for 1 test by ICC. And like they mostly do with their punishments, they do come across as out of line with time and context. But Cricket Australia and the Australian public are talking about it, and there are some pretty hard stuff out there. Talks of life bans and stuff, don't see it coming to that, but seems Steve Smith will have to hold off a bit before his next brain fade...

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:07 pm

msp83 wrote:Smith banned for 1 test by ICC. And like they mostly do with their punishments, they do come across as out of line with time and context. But Cricket Australia and the Australian public are talking about it, and there are some pretty hard stuff out there. Talks of life bans and stuff, don't see it coming to that, but seems Steve Smith will have to hold off a bit before his next brain fade...

Public Emotion in Aus...
National Pride, how it plays will be the key
Politicians will take the cue from the public sentiment and will not hesitate going all the way to ban them for life
ex-players the Chapels, Warne, Taylor, Ponting, Clarke etal need to start speaking up also

I would like to see a Heavy Punishment...like a year of ban and captaincy never again...but not a life ban
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:11 pm

Marky wrote:Australia are a quality side. They
Are an inspiration to us all.
Cheating is something they really
F**king hate, they think cheats are
Scumbags and I for one agree. I hope they don't
Sack anybody for this,
The ICC should stay calm and not give out a
Lot of penalties.

Quite Sympathies man! But I am not impressed. Well Smith is a regular offender(Remember Banglore Test). I support a life ban for him. Well may be that is quite a heavy penalty but they deserved it.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:14 pm

KP_fan wrote:
msp83 wrote:Smith banned for 1 test by ICC. And like they mostly do with their punishments, they do come across as out of line with time and context. But Cricket Australia and the Australian public are talking about it, and there are some pretty hard stuff out there. Talks of life bans and stuff, don't see it coming to that, but seems Steve Smith will have to hold off a bit before his next brain fade...

Public Emotion in Aus...
National Pride, how it plays will be the key
Politicians will take the cue from the public sentiment and will not hesitate going all the way to ban them for life
ex-players  the Chapels, Warne, Taylor, Ponting, Clarke etal  need to start speaking up also

I would like to see a Heavy Punishment...like a year of ban and captaincy never again...but not a life ban

If not life ban, a ban for atleast five years. Again he is a regular offender(Banglore Test is still in memories.).
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:24 pm

msp83 wrote:Smith banned for 1 test by ICC. And like they mostly do with their punishments, they do come across as out of line with time and context. But Cricket Australia and the Australian public are talking about it, and there are some pretty hard stuff out there. Talks of life bans and stuff, don't see it coming to that, but seems Steve Smith will have to hold off a bit before his next brain fade...

Rabada was banned for two test matches for showing aggression. Smith banned for 1 test match for cheating in the game. It's like abusing the Justice System.
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Post by JDizzle on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:24 pm

Life bans?! Let's chill out a bit here. They've not fixed a match, they've not bet on their team to lose, they've done such a shoddy job of tampering with the ball it didn't even have to be changed. Obviously the fact that they did a crap job of cheating isn't a defence, but it does need putting in perspective.

The pre-meditation of the incident leaves a sour taste in the mouth, and it should ensure that Smith and Warner never hold a position of power (C or VC) in Aussie cricket again - the fact that they didn't have the bottle to do it themselves but let the 'impressionable' Bancroft take the big risk rankles - but a life ban? What happens the next time someone sucks a mint whilst shining the ball again... Life ban for them too?

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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:38 pm

JDizzle wrote:Life bans?! Let's chill out a bit here. They've not fixed a match, they've not bet on their team to lose, they've done such a shoddy job of tampering with the ball it didn't even have to be changed. Obviously the fact that they did a crap job of cheating isn't a defence, but it does need putting in perspective.

The pre-meditation of the incident leaves a sour taste in the mouth, and it should ensure that Smith and Warner never hold a position of power (C or VC) in Aussie cricket again - the fact that they didn't have the bottle to do it themselves but let the 'impressionable' Bancroft take the big risk rankles - but a life ban? What happens the next time someone sucks a mint whilst shining the ball again... Life ban for them too?

Well the young Bancroft may be excused for he might have been intimidated by the senior cheaters. And regarding smith he is a repeated offender. I hope you would have not forgotten the Banglore Test Match.

I can understand that life ban is a too much punishment for offence like this, but what about the emotions of the fans because of which Smith is Smith today. How they will swallow the feeling that the one they admire or the one who is their role model is a cheater of the Gentleman game.

Have you ever thought about the young Australians who are still in the early 20s or are in the under 15,16 teams who dream to be a part of a team and share dressing room with warner, smith, Lyon.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:42 pm

Lets not forget that Lehmann evidently played his part too.

I also agree with KP Fan's punishment levels. A six month ban and banned from captaincy again at any level of cricket for Smith, Warner and Bancroft along with everyone in this 'group' that was spoken of. As for Lehmann he has to be sacked by Cricket Australia and brought to account and asked to explain his actions in the TV footage which clearly suggests he played a part in it.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:53 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:Lets not forget that Lehmann evidently played his part too.

I also agree with KP Fan's punishment levels. A six month ban and banned from captaincy again at any level of cricket for Smith, Warner and Bancroft along with everyone in this 'group' that was spoken of. As for Lehmann he has to be sacked by Cricket Australia and brought to account and asked to explain his actions in the TV footage which clearly suggests he played a part in it.

Though Smith denied his role but his expression when event was played on the big screen and his message to the drinks boy soon indicates his involvement. He also deserved a ban from cricket along with cheater cricketers.
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Post by msp83 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 7:58 pm

England's Stuart Broad, a regular victim of Australia's sanctimonious moral policing in cricket, having a legitimate go at Steve Smith and co.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22906812/stuart-broad-pours-scorn-australian-double-standards

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 8:01 pm

subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Lets not forget that Lehmann evidently played his part too.

I also agree with KP Fan's punishment levels. A six month ban and banned from captaincy again at any level of cricket for Smith, Warner and Bancroft along with everyone in this 'group' that was spoken of. As for Lehmann he has to be sacked by Cricket Australia and brought to account and asked to explain his actions in the TV footage which clearly suggests he played a part in it.

Though Smith denied his role but his expression when event was played on the big screen and his message to the drinks boy soon indicates his involvement. He also deserved a ban from cricket along with cheater cricketers.

Of course.

Now that is where this case is quite unique as it seems that nobody can escape suspicion. From Lehmann to the captain and vice-captain down to the relative new boy Bancroft plus this 'group' of unnamed players all played their part. The poison runs deeper than just Smith and Warner.
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Post by subhranshu.kumar.5 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 8:10 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
subhranshu.kumar.5 wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:Lets not forget that Lehmann evidently played his part too.

I also agree with KP Fan's punishment levels. A six month ban and banned from captaincy again at any level of cricket for Smith, Warner and Bancroft along with everyone in this 'group' that was spoken of. As for Lehmann he has to be sacked by Cricket Australia and brought to account and asked to explain his actions in the TV footage which clearly suggests he played a part in it.

Though Smith denied his role but his expression when event was played on the big screen and his message to the drinks boy soon indicates his involvement. He also deserved a ban from cricket along with cheater cricketers.

Of course.

Now that is where this case is quite unique as it seems that nobody can escape suspicion. From Lehmann to the captain and vice-captain down to the relative new boy Bancroft plus this 'group' of unnamed players all played their part. The poison runs deeper than just Smith and Warner.

Smith really played a good bounty by not naming the Leadership Group. Even Lyon, Starc can feature it. Again I feel sorry for the young lad, but it is sure that he might have been pressurised from the so called "Leadership Group". No young lad will kick off a promising career by playing these petty tactics.

ICC has banned Smith for one test match. Even Rabada was banned for 2 test for showing aggression. Justice is bit biased here.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 8:17 pm

There must to severe consequences for Smith and his bunch of merry men. This wasn't a spur of the moment decision to alter the condition of the ball. It was pre-planned as per Smith's statement yesterday. There in that moment Smith's actions disgraced not only himself, but Australian cricket team, the Australian cricket team's captaincy but most severe the integrity of the game. Smith's actions have brought the game into disrepute. There's no coming back from that.

Severe bans for Smith and Warner. Lifetime ban for Lehmann

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Post by msp83 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 8:18 pm

Hope Smith or Warner wouldn't be allowed to play in the IPL, let alone captaining their respective sides.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 9:09 pm

You've gone too subtle, Marky

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 25 Mar 2018, 9:18 pm

JDizzle wrote:Life bans?! Let's chill out a bit here. They've not fixed a match, they've not bet on their team to lose, they've done such a shoddy job of tampering with the ball it didn't even have to be changed. Obviously the fact that they did a crap job of cheating isn't a defence, but it does need putting in perspective.

The pre-meditation of the incident leaves a sour taste in the mouth, and it should ensure that Smith and Warner never hold a position of power (C or VC) in Aussie cricket again - the fact that they didn't have the bottle to do it themselves but let the 'impressionable' Bancroft take the big risk rankles - but a life ban? What happens the next time someone sucks a mint whilst shining the ball again... Life ban for them too?

Cheating. Pre-meditated cheating. Befouling the glorious game. Polluting international cricket. Bloody cheating.

Life. Time. Bans.

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Post by alfie on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 12:40 am

Agree with JD here - talk of life bans is way OTT. Though I've heard plenty of public voices here in Melbourne calling for just that...not so much actual cricket people.

I do believe both Smith and Warner will be permanently barred from the Australian captaincy - and would also assume Lehmann will be sacked as coach as I cannot believe he wasn't at least an accessory - before , or after the fact. Whether there will be other players sanctioned and what else in terms of Test suspensions will be handed out I will have to wait and see as Cricket Australia are going to be undertaking a pretty thorough inquiry . I had a email from James Sutherland this morning apologising on behalf of the board (well not just me ; anyone on the Australian Cricket Family lists - ie all current players Smile ) so you can see they are keen to show everyone they are taking this incredibly seriously. Deeply embarrassed etc...he promises to keep us informed of their findings.

Not sure the PM weighing in against Smith helps much - given his current low standing with the electorate that might actually gain the cricketers some sympathy Smile

Almost un-noticed in all the noise I guess but a remarkable - and satisfying , as he is on his last lap - return for Morne Morkel : the 300 wickets and a nine wicket haul. Well done big fellow clap

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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 7:12 am

Not sure I could handle watching Smith, Warner (and whoever else) take to the field ever again.

If this is the way they respect their fans - through deliberate cheating and bringing the game into even more disrepute - then sorry, I'm with Duty, kp_f, msp, etc. They need to be banned for life. Lehman too.

I've always had this uncomfortable relationship with following our cricket team. They were/are (increasingly so) not a bunch a people/sportspeople one can truly admire and hold in high regard. About the only captain I sort of liked was Mark Taylor... the rest mostly are/were nasty, selfish, crude, bullying types... now we can add dodgy cheats. And completely stupid ones at that.

So they were struggling to take wickets - yet only a few days ago they were bragging about having the best bowling attack in the world. How this sly plan ever was concocted does not come as a surprise in the aftermath of getting caught in the act. I can say it - the base criminal gene pool of these common crooks has 'risen' to the surface. Something I have known for quite some time (at least watching this sport from the 70s and 80s) has manifest itself on a scale which will never be forgotten.

Yes it's only sport... but these guys should be nowhere near it.

... and to think they went on strike last year asking for a pay rise! The penalties need to be very hefty indeed.
I'm lumping Sutherland in with them too. We all saw and heard enough facts. How will he attempt to try and mitigate will be very interesting to see.

Thank you Leadership Group. The next few years will be incredibly difficult now.

I just hope there is a genuine shift in behaviour and attitude... but tbh... I can't see that happening when other forms of boorish behaviour are constantly on show and repeatedly fawned over by ignorant people in all of our sports. Unfortunately this is so ingrained in our "sporting culture" now.

I think I'll do some more gardening... and watch some NZ-England. Smile

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 7:54 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:Not sure I could handle watching Smith, Warner (and whoever else) take to the field ever again.

If this is the way they respect their fans - through deliberate cheating and bringing the game into even more disrepute - then sorry, I'm with Duty, kp_f, msp, etc. They need to be banned for life. Lehman too.

I've always had this uncomfortable relationship with following our cricket team. They were/are (increasingly so) not a bunch a people/sportspeople one can truly admire and hold in high regard. About the only captain I sort of liked was Mark Taylor... the rest mostly are/were nasty, selfish, crude, bullying types... now we can add dodgy cheats. And completely stupid ones at that.

So they were struggling to take wickets - yet only a few days ago they were bragging about having the best bowling attack in the world. How this sly plan ever was concocted does not come as a surprise in the aftermath of getting caught in the act. I can say it - the base criminal gene pool of these common crooks has 'risen' to the surface. Something I have known for quite some time (at least watching this sport from the 70s and 80s) has manifest itself on a scale which will never be forgotten.

Yes it's only sport... but these guys should be nowhere near it.

... and to think they went on strike last year asking for a pay rise! The penalties need to be very hefty indeed.
I'm lumping Sutherland in with them too. We all saw and heard enough facts. How will he attempt to try and mitigate will be very interesting to see.

Thank you Leadership Group. The next few years will be incredibly difficult now.

I just hope there is a genuine shift in behaviour and attitude... but tbh... I can't see that happening when other forms of boorish behaviour are constantly on show and repeatedly fawned over by ignorant people in all of our sports. Unfortunately this is so ingrained in our "sporting culture" now.

I think I'll do some more gardening... and watch some NZ-England. Smile

I think we can safely say that was a post that came from the heart.

From my point of view the shocking aspect is how deep the cheating runs in the team. We know Bancroft, Smith and Warner have already been implicated and you can add to that Darren Lehmann plus whoever is in this 'Leadership Group'. That could put the count up to approaching ten people involved in pre-planned blatant cheating. To top that the attitude at the press conference by Smith stank the place out. It was an attitude where he thought he was untouchable and it was no big deal. Nauseating and I am not even an Australian so I cannot begin to think how they are feeling right now.
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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 8:02 am

Thanks Craig, it's just an awful situation to be in.
They ought to bring Smith home right now to face the music here... not have him hanging around in SA. Chuck Warner on the plane too.
CA is making it worse flying over there to get the details.

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Post by Born Slippy on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 10:06 am

CaledonianCraig wrote:
The Loaded Dog wrote:Not sure I could handle watching Smith, Warner (and whoever else) take to the field ever again.

If this is the way they respect their fans - through deliberate cheating and bringing the game into even more disrepute - then sorry, I'm with Duty, kp_f, msp, etc. They need to be banned for life. Lehman too.

I've always had this uncomfortable relationship with following our cricket team. They were/are (increasingly so) not a bunch a people/sportspeople one can truly admire and hold in high regard. About the only captain I sort of liked was Mark Taylor... the rest mostly are/were nasty, selfish, crude, bullying types... now we can add dodgy cheats. And completely stupid ones at that.

So they were struggling to take wickets - yet only a few days ago they were bragging about having the best bowling attack in the world. How this sly plan ever was concocted does not come as a surprise in the aftermath of getting caught in the act. I can say it - the base criminal gene pool of these common crooks has 'risen' to the surface. Something I have known for quite some time (at least watching this sport from the 70s and 80s) has manifest itself on a scale which will never be forgotten.

Yes it's only sport... but these guys should be nowhere near it.

... and to think they went on strike last year asking for a pay rise! The penalties need to be very hefty indeed.
I'm lumping Sutherland in with them too. We all saw and heard enough facts. How will he attempt to try and mitigate will be very interesting to see.

Thank you Leadership Group. The next few years will be incredibly difficult now.

I just hope there is a genuine shift in behaviour and attitude... but tbh... I can't see that happening when other forms of boorish behaviour are constantly on show and repeatedly fawned over by ignorant people in all of our sports. Unfortunately this is so ingrained in our "sporting culture" now.

I think I'll do some more gardening... and watch some NZ-England. Smile

I think we can safely say that was a post that came from the heart.

From my point of view the shocking aspect is how deep the cheating runs in the team. We know Bancroft, Smith and Warner have already been implicated and you can add to that Darren Lehmann plus whoever is in this 'Leadership Group'. That could put the count up to approaching ten people involved in pre-planned blatant cheating. To top that the attitude at the press conference by Smith stank the place out. It was an attitude where he thought he was untouchable and it was no big deal. Nauseating and I am not even an Australian so I cannot begin to think how they are feeling right now.

Fair to say that even the 12th man (not sure who it was) didn’t exactly look like someone who was shocked at, seemingly, being given an instruction to tell Bancroft to hide the offending tape.

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Post by guildfordbat on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 10:26 am

alfie wrote:Agree with JD here - talk of life bans is way OTT.  Though I've heard plenty of public voices here in Melbourne calling for just that...not so much actual cricket people.

I do believe both Smith and Warner will be permanently barred from the Australian captaincy - and would also assume Lehmann will be sacked as coach as I cannot believe he wasn't at least an accessory - before , or after the fact.  Whether there will be other players sanctioned and what else in terms of Test suspensions will be handed out I will have to wait and see as Cricket Australia are going to be undertaking a pretty thorough inquiry .  I had a email from James Sutherland this morning apologising on behalf of the board (well not just me ; anyone on the Australian Cricket Family lists - ie all current players Smile ) so you can see they are keen to show everyone they are taking this incredibly seriously. Deeply embarrassed etc...he promises to keep us informed of their findings.

Not sure the PM weighing in against Smith helps much - given his current low standing with the electorate that might actually gain the cricketers some sympathy Smile

Almost un-noticed in all the noise I guess but a remarkable - and satisfying , as he is on his last lap - return for Morne Morkel : the 300 wickets and  a nine wicket haul.  Well done big fellow
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Surrey fans have been expecting confirmation for some weeks that Morne Morkel has signed for us as a Kolpak. Still awaited as I post. Much as I would like to see him blasting Surrey to success in county cricket, I actually feel his proper place is in the test arena for a little longer. As demonstrated by this performance.

As for Smith and co, I feel that when it comes to penalties there should be a distinction between roles of authority (coach, captain, vice captain, ?? membership of the leadership group depending on whatever that is) and playing. Subject to findings of course (although some aspects seem pretty clear cut), I would support a life ban for the first (ie not being able to continue with or take on those roles of authority) with a lesser ban, albeit stiff a stiffish one, from playing. Given such penalties are likely to go beyond usual ICC penalties, they will mainly need to be decided by Cricket Australia. It's commendable that Sutherland has a hot line to Alfie Wink and all players, and I would hope that Cricket Australia will listen to the views of such people. However, I suggest the Australian PM keeps out of it - I thought his comments were too easy and designed to promote himself rather than aid our game.

In the meantime, I can only sympathise with LD and all the many other decent Australian cricket folk.

PS As mentioned recently, I was in New Zealand last month. Lovely, lovely people and those I met at Eden Park certainly know the game. However, the venom they voiced towards Warner was something else. I have to look at him first for the cause of that.


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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 10:52 am

The more you think about it the worse it gets.

Lets look at Cameron Bancroft's part in this. He done the deed and was encouraged by the skipper and vice-captain and 'Leadership Group' and he was playing in only his 8th test. Did he not stop to think that it was wrong and refuse to do it? If not then evidently it is something that is seen as the norm or there is something of a bullying culture within the team to pressurize him to do it. It has been openly admitted it was pre-planned so I'd say it is a given that the whole team knew about it as it must have been discussed in the dressing room during planning and with those numbers involved it is not like iit could have been discussed outwith the earshot of everyone with a group of say 5 to 10 discussing it.
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Post by alfie on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 11:53 am

Well I guess that is what Cricket Australia have to determine : just what part was played in this whole sorry saga by those outside the already identified guilty parties.  Which really has to be done properly : however much we might feel they're all in on it there has to be due process - which is why I cannot agree with the justifiably shattered LD that it is wrong to be sending people over to SA to investigate...I think with a week to go in the tour they had to do so. And I don't envy them their jobs...

This is a horrible thing to have happened we can all agree on that.  But even murderers get a fair trial so I think we can wait for the matter to be investigated : Smith is out courtesy of the ICC for now ; and he might be joined on the sidelines by a couple of others but I for one would rather get this last Test done before we hand out further penalties. I guess the hosts and the fans deserve that rather than seeing Australia forfeit the match...hard as it may be for fans here to raise much enthusiasm for it.

The one "good" thing that might come out of this is a chance to "clean the stables" and restore a team of which Australians can once again feel pride . I'd like to see someone like Adam Gilchrist given the powers to do just that - if he was willing.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 11:58 am

alfie wrote: I'd like to see someone like Adam Gilchrist given the powers to do just that - if he was willing.

Jason Gillespie seems a very decent sort as well.
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Post by alfie on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 12:19 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote: I'd like to see someone like Adam Gilchrist given the powers to do just that - if he was willing.

Jason Gillespie seems a very decent sort as well.

Yes , good call. He's had some thoughtful stuff to say this week too.

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Post by Pal Joey on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 12:44 pm

You put a lot of trust in CA, alfie but they clearly have been unable to "lay down the law" after the string of controversies of late. In fact, James Sutherland even vouched for Steve Smith's credibility after the Bangalore incident. So I'll have to disagree with you over the necessity of an unnecessary tax-payer funded trip (first class no doubt) to sort out what can (and should) be sorted out here at home.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 1:06 pm

The Loaded Dog wrote:You put a lot of trust in CA, alfie but they clearly have been unable to "lay down the law" after the string of controversies of late. In fact, James Sutherland even vouched for Steve Smith's credibility after the Bangalore incident. So I'll have to disagree with you over the necessity of an unnecessary tax-payer funded trip (first class no doubt) to sort out what can (and should) be sorted out here at home.

Perhaps it was a case of in denial. I mean the hype around the world about Steve Smith's talent, his test match average, being the new Bradman etc etc etc it meant they felt the need to protect their most valuable asset. But with this incident there is no defence and now they simply have to act.
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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 2:29 pm

Steven Smith resigned as Rajasthan Royals captain ahead of the forthcoming IPL season. He remains available for selection but Cricket Australia could revoke the NOC.

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Post by msp83 on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 4:50 pm

So that's Smith done as RR captain. What on earth is the SRH lot waiting for? And hope they really don't make it to IPL... The IPL as such have had enough scandal attached to it already, don't need further cheats to add to the dirt of 2018 through these crooks

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Post by KP_fan on Mon 26 Mar 2018, 9:22 pm

msp83 wrote:So that's  Smith done as RR captain. What on earth is the SRH lot waiting for? And hope they really don't make it to IPL... The IPL as such have had enough scandal attached to it already, don't need further cheats to add to the dirt of 2018 through these crooks

IPL would have the moral right to talk about this issue if they do a transparent investigation into the match fixing names that came up
when only sreesanth and 2 unknown guys were suspended
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Post by alfie on Tue 27 Mar 2018, 12:31 am

The Loaded Dog wrote:You put a lot of trust in CA, alfie but they clearly have been unable to "lay down the law" after the string of controversies of late. In fact, James Sutherland even vouched for Steve Smith's credibility after the Bangalore incident. So I'll have to disagree with you over the necessity of an unnecessary tax-payer funded trip (first class no doubt) to sort out what can (and should) be sorted out here at home.

Trust ? It is actually hope more than faith, to be honest , LD... And even with all charity I am not really looking to absolve the back office from all blame either : Howard , Sutherland himself , will come under scrutiny for allowing the evidently dodgy culture to develop. But that is for the future ; I do think they need to deal with the immediate mess before a team takes the field in a few days. And I don't think that can be done by email. May be mostly PR but still...

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 27 Mar 2018, 7:29 am

Reports seem to be Lehmann will step down and Smith/Warner face year long bans
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