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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 11:58 am

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43302261

Live coverage of club rugby will not be shown on BBC Two Wales next season after the BBC failed to reach a deal to continue broadcasting the Pro 14 tournament.

Competition organisers are understood to have awarded the UK rights to a pay-TV service, but BBC Wales had hoped to continue broadcasting games in Wales.

It means viewers will no longer be able to watch club games on free-to-air television in English. Negotiations over Welsh language rights are ongoing.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:10 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:The Welsh and Scottish look set to be shafted unless something changes. Unsurprising, but true.

Is this Premier Sports channel an Irish sports channel then ?

I asked earlier but nobody will answer me.

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Post by munkian on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:12 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

Stop asking us to trust you lord Trump Rolling Eyes
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:12 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:The Welsh and Scottish look set to be shafted unless something changes. Unsurprising, but true.

Is this Premier Sports channel an Irish sports channel then ?

I asked earlier but nobody will answer me.

Yes.

Eir Spoirts is Irish owned
Premier Sports is Irish owned
FreeSport is Irish owned

What a turn up for the books!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:12 pm

And what will sa s have to pay? And Italians? Watch it online on a dodgy stream if you want. Move to italy while you still can. Move to northern Ireland. It can't come as a shock to you that different places have plusses and minuses? Even on a one channel.pay to watch deal you will have people paying different amounts.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:14 pm

munkian wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

Stop asking us to trust you lord Trump Rolling Eyes

FFS, once a muppet always a muppet, go an hang out on your Newport thread.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-43302261

Notice this bit:-

"Pro14 matches get audiences of 100,000 people and more in Wales. Satellite channels just don't get that for ordinary club matches. wrote:

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:15 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:And what will sa s have to pay? And Italians? Watch it online on a dodgy stream if you want. Move to italy while you still can. Move to northern Ireland. It can't come as a shock to you that different places have plusses and minuses? Even on a one channel.pay to watch deal you will have people paying different amounts.

You're not getting it. It's the amount of subscriptions required. Not a fluctuation in currency.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:16 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:The Welsh and Scottish look set to be shafted unless something changes. Unsurprising, but true.

Is this Premier Sports channel an Irish sports channel then ?

I asked earlier but nobody will answer me.

Yes.

Eir Spoirts is Irish owned
Premier Sports is Irish owned
FreeSport is Irish owned

What a turn up for the books!


Well feck me.

That's it then, so the league, that is not supposed to be everything for the Irish, is going to shaft everyone outside of Ireland, yet we are always making up conspiracy theories.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:17 pm

And? It's not hard to sign up. There seems to be a fair few links online as well should you be inclined. This just gives you more choice.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:18 pm

LordDowlais wrote:

That's it then, so the league, that is not supposed to be everything for the Irish, is going to shaft everyone outside of Ireland, yet we are always making up conspiracy theories.


"Dowze arr de ownli anglz we have Giorj"

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:19 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:And? It's not hard to sign up. There seems to be a fair few links online as well should you be inclined. This just gives you more choice.

I've tried and once again failed, I'm sorry. Over to someone else.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:21 pm

Oh. I get it. This is a whine about the Irish.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:22 pm

Good job you don't want to jump in bed with the English then. They'd proper have you over a barrel!

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Post by munkian on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

I think PRO14 have dropped a bollock in not letting SKY get UK and Ireland.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:And what will sa s have to pay? And Italians? Watch it online on a dodgy stream if you want. Move to italy while you still can. Move to northern Ireland. It can't come as a shock to you that different places have plusses and minuses? Even on a one channel.pay to watch deal you will have people paying different amounts.

You're not getting it. It's the amount of subscriptions required. Not a fluctuation in currency.

Why does this member, who claims to be English always concern himself with our league ?

He is always all over the Welsh international threads as well.

He must just have something against the Welsh, do yourself a favour, because he will hound you until you give an answer that suits his agenda, do what I have done and put him on ignore.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:25 pm

munkian wrote:I think PRO14 have dropped a bollock in not letting SKY get UK and Ireland.


You reckon. Rolling Eyes

The Pro14 probably did that because they wanted to look after the Irish audiences. If they had one ounce of a brain though, they would probably realise that loads of people in Ireland already have SKY so that they can watch Liverpool FC and MUFC.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:30 pm

I'm a rugby fan ld. You'll find I don't just post on a couple of things. I however ain't the one complaining about a set of fans. You shouldn't block me either as.you'd have learned a little quicker about the Welsh language bids. Not as fast as if you'd read the first link granted.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:32 pm

Marty you seem more up on tender and bids etc than me. Is there a non discrimination law.on these tv bids which would.ensure you can't favour say the Irish over the Scottish?

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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:34 pm

Doesn't it just bring everyone in the UK and Ireland under the same rules for watching Pro 14?

I assume EIR Sports is pay TV (correct me if I'm wrong), and under this deal Premier Sports is pay tv for all 3 countries

Why is this shafting any of the nations more than another?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:34 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
No 7&1/2 wrote:And what will sa s have to pay? And Italians? Watch it online on a dodgy stream if you want. Move to italy while you still can. Move to northern Ireland. It can't come as a shock to you that different places have plusses and minuses? Even on a one channel.pay to watch deal you will have people paying different amounts.

You're not getting it. It's the amount of subscriptions required. Not a fluctuation in currency.

Why does this member, who claims to be English always concern himself with our league ?

He is always all over the Welsh international threads as well.

He must just have something against the Welsh, do yourself a favour, because he will hound you until you give an answer that suits his agenda, do what I have done and put him on ignore.

He's very odd isn't he / she.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:35 pm

He. Rugby.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:37 pm

BamBam wrote:

Why is this shafting any of the nations more than another?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

Because Irish rugby fans get everything with BT Sports. All 4 provinces home games covered - Euro and league. 1 SUBSCRIPTION.

Welsh and Scottish will have to pay for BT Sports AND Premier sports and if there is now a 3rd pay service picking the BBC games up, that too. At least 2 subscriptions which means extra cost.

Why is this so difficult?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:38 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

Doh

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/

I love how Marty just completely ignores the posts where he's proved wrong. Like they didn't happen.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:38 pm

What about sa and italy. Why are yu making this purely about ireland?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:43 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:What about sa and italy. Why are yu making this purely about ireland?

Because they have different broadcasters.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:43 pm

What channel is FreeSport on SKY, I will have to check the old SKY Q later I suppose. How much is the subscription, or is it actually FREE ?

I know NOTHING about this channel, will I have to buy Premier Sport as well ? How many new channels will I have to subscribe to just to watch the regions on tele ?

How do I know, that an Irish sport network, made for Ireland, for the Irish audience, will show any of the Welsh regions on these channels ?

Will I only be able to watch the Welsh regions when they are playing the provinces ?

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:45 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

You said they weren't comparable, are you now saying you don't know the figures but are saying it isn't comparable despite not knowing if it was or it wasn't?

I'm saying sky and eir sports bid for different things. Therefore not comparable. I think you've lost the plot.

So there weren't separate tender processes for both then?

One for Irish rights and one for Uk and Irish rights that included both Eir Sports and Sky Sports ?- not that I'm aware of. Again, if you can show me that there was - I will gladly accept that I've learnt something today.

Errmm no I meant one for the UK and one for Ireland since you can't have two processes bidding for the same thing picard


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:45 pm

Bit of a cop out that isn't it rugby fan? So you're not bothered about being out of pocket potentially to sa and italy but you're worried that the Irish may get cheaper rugby than you?

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:46 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

Doh

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/

I love how Marty just completely ignores the posts where he's proved wrong. Like they didn't happen.

Ignore what, just because I don't immediately respond doesn't mean I'm ignoring, can you please tell me what the current deal is worth?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:47 pm

LordDowlais wrote:What channel is FreeSport on SKY, I will have to check the old SKY Q later I suppose. How much is the subscription, or is it actually FREE ?

I know NOTHING about this channel, will I have to buy Premier Sport as well ? How many new channels will I have to subscribe to just to watch the regions on tele ?

How do I know, that an Irish sport network, made for Ireland, for the Irish audience, will show any of the Welsh regions on these channels ?

Will I only be able to watch the Welsh regions when they are playing the provinces ?

I have Virgin Media. FreeSports isn't even available on it!

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:50 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

That's how it tends to work but it's still worth more in tv and advertising revenues for everyone because those spending money in theory therefore have more disposable income and are worth in the eyes of marketers

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:50 pm

You start off by saying that increased money was a great thing. Now its the Welsh need to pay equal price for the tv rights on average as the Scottish and irish but not sa and Italians.

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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:51 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Why is this shafting any of the nations more than another?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

Because Irish rugby fans get everything with BT Sports. All 4 provinces home games covered - Euro and league. 1 SUBSCRIPTION.

Welsh and Scottish will have to pay for BT Sports AND Premier sports and if there is now a 3rd pay service picking the BBC games up, that too. At least 2 subscriptions which means extra cost.

Why is this so difficult?

Well in England, we've spent the last few years needing to pay for both Sky and BT, I don't recall English fans being up in arms that Wales/Scotland get free to air games, its just been accepted and we get on with it

Premier League football has been split amongst two broadcasters for many years

Why are Wales rugby fans so special that they deserve one subscription for everything? Seems like you wanted Sky to get UK and Ireland rights just so the Irish would have to pay more, it makes no difference to you whether you pay for Sky (Pro14) and BT (Euro) or Premier Sports (Pro14) and BT (Euro)

Either way you're paying two subs, who cares what Ireland are doing?

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Post by profitius on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:51 pm

Wait a minute. The Welsh are complaining that its going off free to air TV? Are they coming out of the closet as pro14 fans?! Shocked
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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:52 pm

marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

That's how it tends to work but it's still worth more in tv and advertising revenues for everyone because those spending money in theory therefore have more disposable income and are worth in the eyes of marketers

I'm sorry, but seriously, you need to re-engage your brain.

What you are trying to tell me is, that marketers, will pay more, to market their products, to a smaller market audience.

Come on. Laugh


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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:52 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

Doh

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/

I love how Marty just completely ignores the posts where he's proved wrong. Like they didn't happen.

Ignore what, just because I don't immediately respond doesn't mean I'm ignoring, can you please tell me what the current deal is worth?

£42m per annum.


Now were you wrong, given the link I posted above?

The AP don't reveal theirs

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:52 pm

profitius wrote:Wait a minute. The Welsh are complaining that its going off free to air TV? Are they coming out of the closet as pro14 fans?! Shocked

We are complaining because we have to buy about another 3 channels just to watch the Pro14 that might not even show the Welsh regions. Rolling Eyes

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:54 pm

BamBam wrote:

Well in England, we've spent the last few years needing to pay for both Sky and BT, I don't recall English fans being up in arms that Wales/Scotland get free to air games, its just been accepted and we get on with it

Erm, that's because Welsh and Scottish fans have also had to get Sky sports and BT Sports because of pro14 and Europe!


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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:56 pm

BamBam wrote:

Why are Wales rugby fans so special that they deserve one subscription for everything?  

Not special. Just want a fair choice across the board and at fair prices. That won't be happenning from next season as Irish fans will get everything via 1 subscription (that's the 5th time I've posted that now).

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:57 pm

It's your choice. Watch it online. Go down the pub..move.


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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:57 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
LordDowlais wrote:Audiences will be lost trust me, viewing figures for BBC Wales are 100,000+. Pay per view TV will not get that audience.

That's how it tends to work but it's still worth more in tv and advertising revenues for everyone because those spending money in theory therefore have more disposable income and are worth in the eyes of marketers

I'm sorry, but seriously, you need to re-engage your brain.

What you are trying to tell me is, that marketers, will pay more, to market their products, to a smaller market audience.

Come on. Laugh


Is it market quantity or quality? If I'm marketing a high end product, there's no point me sticking up a billboard in some deadbeat area, I want my advert to be in affluent areas

Similarly, advertising to a more targeted base could pay off for marketing companies.

You are assuming you know more than the very smart people who work in commercial finance for these companies, they haven't just bid for Pro 14 rights because it will pee off RugbyFan and Lord Dowlais on 606v2, they obviously think there is a commercial opportunity to generate revenue through subscriptions and advertising

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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 3:59 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Well in England, we've spent the last few years needing to pay for both Sky and BT, I don't recall English fans being up in arms that Wales/Scotland get free to air games, its just been accepted and we get on with it

Erm, that's because Welsh and Scottish fans have also had to get Sky sports and BT Sports because of pro14 and Europe!


No one forced them to - they had the option of just watching the FTA games

We didn't have that in England

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:00 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/



can you please tell me what the current deal is worth?

That deal ran out last season I believe. Hard numbers for the extension (to 2021) are not available but indications are an increase of 80%

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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:01 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Why are Wales rugby fans so special that they deserve one subscription for everything?  

Not special. Just want a fair choice across the board and at fair prices. That won't be happenning from next season as Irish fans will get everything via 1 subscription (that's the 5th time I've posted that now).

Sure, its a fair market price for the UK - Ireland can do as it pleases

Why aren't you complaining that SA fans will get all the rugby they could ever want through SuperSport?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:01 pm

BamBam wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Well in England, we've spent the last few years needing to pay for both Sky and BT, I don't recall English fans being up in arms that Wales/Scotland get free to air games, its just been accepted and we get on with it

Erm, that's because Welsh and Scottish fans have also had to get Sky sports and BT Sports because of pro14 and Europe!


No one forced them to - they had the option of just watching the FTA games

We didn't have that in England

You were forced to buy sky sports and bt sports?

By who? I've no idea what you're on about. If you want to watch your team in all gamesyou had to watch via bt sports and sky sports. same as me.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:02 pm

BamBam wrote:

Why aren't you complaining that SA fans will get all the rugby they could ever want through SuperSport?

I have no clue as to what is on supersport. As it is completely irrelevant to the market my team is in.

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Post by BamBam on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:04 pm

SuperSport shows the Pro14, why isn't that relevant? South Africa is another country which features teams in the Pro14, its just as relevant as Ireland is surely?

Swap South Africa/SuperSport for Italy/Eurosport, still applies


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Re: BBC Wales out of running to show Pro 14 next season

Post by marty2086 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:05 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
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profitius wrote:They wanted the irish subscribers and pulled out when they were offered the UK only.

I doubt the pro14 will reveal it's tv deal figures anyway, which will be telling.

Why will it be telling? The AP don't reveal theirs

Doh

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/

I love how Marty just completely ignores the posts where he's proved wrong. Like they didn't happen.

Ignore what, just because I don't immediately respond doesn't mean I'm ignoring, can you please tell me what the current deal is worth?

£42m per annum.


Now were you wrong, given the link I posted above?

The AP don't reveal theirs

Where did the AP announce what their current deal is worth?

And apologies I did say they don't reveal theirs knowing full well they had announce that, so I was wrong to phrase things that way knowing they were wrong after all that isn't acceptable here unless it's you. I should have said they didn't announce the current figure

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Re: BBC Wales out of running to show Pro 14 next season

Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:06 pm

BamBam wrote:SuperSport shows the Pro14, why isn't that relevant? South Africa is another country which features teams in the Pro14, its just as relevant as Ireland is surely?

Supersport is not a broadcaster in UK and Ireland, which is the market we are discussing. Because that's where our teams play.


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Re: BBC Wales out of running to show Pro 14 next season

Post by marty2086 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:06 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:

https://www.premiershiprugby.com/community/bt-and-premiership-rugby-in-exclusive-live-broadcast-deal/



can you please tell me what the current deal is worth?

That deal ran out last season I believe. Hard numbers for the extension (to 2021) are not available but indications are an increase of 80%

They didn't see out that deal sure, they renewed it a few years early in 2015

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Re: BBC Wales out of running to show Pro 14 next season

Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 06 Mar 2018, 4:07 pm

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Where did the AP announce what their current deal is worth?

I have no idea, sorry.

And apologies I did say they don't reveal theirs knowing full well they had announce that, so I was wrong to phrase things that way knowing they were wrong after all that isn't acceptable here unless it's you. I should have said they didn't announce the current figure

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