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Post by TightHEAD on Wed Mar 07, 2018 11:55 am

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FRANCE v ENGLAND - 10/03/18 - MATCH THREAD


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England Team Starting XV
15 Anthony Watson (Bath Rugby 31 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers 32 caps), 13 Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors 11 caps), 12 Owen Farrell (Saracens 56 caps) C, 11 Elliot Daly (Wasps 16 caps), 10 George Ford (Leicester Tigers 43 caps), 9 Danny Care (Harlequins 79 caps), 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens 47 caps) VC, 2 Jamie George (Saracens 23 caps), 3 Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers 80 caps), 4 Joe Launchbury (Wasps 50 caps), 5 Maro Itoje (Saracens 17 caps), 6 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints 64 caps), 7 Chris Robshaw (Harlequins 62 caps), 8 Nathan Hughes (Wasps 13 caps).

Finishers
16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs 4 caps), 17 Joe Marler (Harlequins 54 caps), 18 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins 8 caps), 19 James Haskell (Wasps 75 caps), 20 Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs 5 caps), 21 Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens 29 caps), 22 Jonathan Joseph (Bath Rugby 38 caps), 23 Mike Brown (Harlequins 67 caps).



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Head to head
 P-103 England won 57, lost 39, drawn 7



Fully expect to see a tight game in poor weather conditions.
Must see a reaction from England at all costs, we've been treading water since the tour down-under imho and have seen little or no improvement since, plenty of depth but they must start playing like they own the shirt.


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Re: 6 Nations - FRANCE v ENGLAND - 10/03/18 - MATCH THREAD

Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:56 pm

That's a fair call for me. Wasn't intentional, but that doesn't matter.

In a tight game like this, that could be the match-winning score.

Hopefully, today gives England the required kick up the arse they need.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Fair enough pen try and yellow

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:58 pm

Jeez if France had a little composure there then they were in for a try.

What the hell has happened to England?
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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:59 pm

eirebilly wrote:What the hell has happened to England?

Complacency? It has been a dire campaign.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:00 pm

Best lock off but at least it's a back row

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:00 pm

How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.


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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:00 pm

Ha. No idea how the ref is seeing the scrum but good for us!

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Post by whocares on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Slimani keeps on getting pinged every other game... he should be subbed for his own good really.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Well that was a bad call, nothing wrong there at all.
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Post by mid_gen on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:03 pm

If only Billy V and Underhill were fit :/

Our carrying is absolute poop. Get Sinckler on.

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Post by Heaf on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:03 pm

Who's the stupid AR that called that as a pen to France?

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Post by Heaf on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:03 pm

Probably the same one calling Eng offside when they weren't

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Post by Scottrff on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:04 pm

The Oracle wrote:How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.

Because that's not the test. The tackle has to be ruled out completely.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Robshaw really is everywhere, he is such a workhorse for England.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Yup. If a foul act asnif the player want there. Spot on decision.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Wheres the England leaders??? Driving this game back?

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:06 pm

Scottrff wrote:
The Oracle wrote:How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.

Because that's not the test. The tackle has to be ruled out completely.


Hmmm. Then, for me, that’s a silly rule.
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Post by Heaf on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:07 pm

Wasn't that LO knocked-on by France?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:10 pm

Bit harsh that if it was against haskell.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:14 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Scottrff wrote:
The Oracle wrote:How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.

Because that's not the test. The tackle has to be ruled out completely.


Hmmm. Then, for me, that’s a silly rule.

Take away the illegal act completely, he scores. He had the chance to make the tackle legally, and didn’t, so gets no ‘compensation on woulda coulda’. Perfectly sensible rule.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:14 pm

I am absolutely amazed at just how poor England are playing. Far too slow at the breakdown and the backline has not engaged at all. Have to say again that Ford really hindered England today.
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Post by mid_gen on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Sinckler showing the rest of the forwards how to make yards.

Haven't seen an England pack this soft in a while.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm

Frances breakdown work is far stronger than Englands. Excellent defense too.

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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:15 pm

This will be the first time England have suffered consecutive defeats since the 2015 World Cup, when they lost to Wales and Australia.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:17 pm

Thing England underestimated France. They arent that bad.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:20 pm

Robshaw keeping England in this game on his own right now. So many important turnovers.
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Post by Heaf on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:20 pm

When was last 3 in a row?

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:22 pm

Taylorman wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Scottrff wrote:
The Oracle wrote:How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.

Because that's not the test. The tackle has to be ruled out completely.


Hmmm. Then, for me, that’s a silly rule.

Take away the illegal act completely, he scores. He had the chance to make the tackle legally, and didn’t, so gets no ‘compensation on woulda coulda’. Perfectly sensible rule.

I just don’t agree with it. Take away the illegal act and in reality the defender doesn't disappear into thin air. He’d still be there. So if his illegal act was slightly lower there’s a very good chance he’d still make the tackle.

I’m not English btw. I’m rooting for France here. Just don’t like that rule.
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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:23 pm

Beautiful try set up by Daly clap
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:24 pm

V good analysis by POC there should have been a pen france.

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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:24 pm

Heaf wrote:When was last 3 in a row?

2014, when England went on to lose 5 in a row - three in New Zealand, one against NZ at Twickenham, and one against South Africa at Twickenham.

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Post by mid_gen on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:26 pm

Robshaw doing his best one-man back row impression again. I do hope we can see him working with Billy V and Underhill soon.

Much better with Farrell, Teo, JJ.

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Post by Scottrff on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:27 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Scottrff wrote:
The Oracle wrote:How come that was a penalty try? He wouldn’t definitely have scored if the tackle was legal. Seems harsh.

Because that's not the test. The tackle has to be ruled out completely.


Hmmm. Then, for me, that’s a silly rule.

Take away the illegal act completely, he scores. He had the chance to make the tackle legally, and didn’t, so gets no ‘compensation on woulda coulda’. Perfectly sensible rule.

I just don’t agree with it. Take away the illegal act and in reality the defender doesn't disappear into thin air. He’d still be there. So if his illegal act was slightly lower there’s a very good chance he’d still make the tackle.

I’m not English btw. I’m rooting for France here. Just don’t like that rule.

He had a chance to tackle slightly lower...

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:28 pm

mid_gen wrote:Robshaw doing his best one-man back row impression again. I do hope we can see him working with Billy V and Underhill soon.

Much better with Farrell, Teo, JJ.

Too little too late, Jones should have seen that after 25-30mins.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Done and dusted now.

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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:29 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Heaf wrote:When was last 3 in a row?

2014, when England went on to lose 5 in a row - three in New Zealand, one against NZ at Twickenham, and one against South Africa at Twickenham.

Interestingly enough, the last time England lost 3 in a row against Northern Hemisphere opposition was in 2006, when England:

Lost to Scotland in Scotland; then lost to France in France; then lost to Ireland at Twickers.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:30 pm

Still on here for England.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Similar matches to previous to be fair. 15 toil subs come on and make a difference. Clls for LCD over george etc.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:31 pm

Oh France all you had to do was kick it out!!

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Post by The Oracle on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Beauxis noooooooo!
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Dummy throw England!

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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Well Beauxis' heart, for now, is going to be pumping at 100 mph.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:33 pm

Well well well!

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:33 pm

CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!

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Post by Duty281 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:34 pm

Duty281 wrote:France are nothing special, but I'll have a little punt on them at halftime at 5/2.

England have seriously struggled so far.

Well done France.  Deserved.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:34 pm

Well done to ireland then.

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Post by whocares on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Phew.
What a mess.
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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:35 pm

Although for guns to come on to a england france thread to say that makes me regret it immediately!

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Post by Pete330v2 on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:36 pm

Thanks France. Merci Francais.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:37 pm

France deserved that, it was a very strong defensive display from them.

England, poor very poor in the dynamics around the breakdown and no impact from the backline.

Hats off to Robshaw who played out of his skin, it may have been a bigger loss if he was not on the field.
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