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6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by George Carlin on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:08 pm

I feel like starting a fight, so here goes:

15. Matteo Minozzo (Italy)
14. George North (Wales)
13. Huw Jones (Scotland)
12. Owen Farrell (England)
11. Jacob Stockdale (Ireland)
10. Jonny Sexton (Ireland)
09. Conor Murray (Ireland)


01. Cian Healy (Ireland)
02. Guilhem Guirado (France)
03. Tadhg Furlong (Ireland)
04. James Ryan (Ireland)
05. Johnny Gray (Scotland)
06. Aaron Shingler (Wales)
07. Hamish Watson (Scotland)
08. CJ Stander (Ireland)

16. Rory Best (Ireland)
17. Rob Evans (Wales)
18. Rabah Slimani (France)
19. Alun Wyn Jones (Wales)
20. Sebastian Negri (Italy)
21. Greig Laidlaw (Scotland)
22. Anthony Watson (England)
23. Garry Ringrose (Ireland)

How was the tournament for your team?
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by Pot Hale on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:19 pm

15 Between Minozzi and Kearney
14 Earls and Thomas
13 Jones, Ringrose and Bastareaud
12 Aki and Farrell
11 Stockdale
10 Sexton
9 Murray
8 Stander and Barclay
7 Leavy or Watson
6 O’Mahony or Robshaw or Negri
5 Gray or Jones or Henderson
4 Ryan or French lock I’ve had a blank on.
3 Furlong
2 Best or Guirado
1 Healy or ?
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by George Carlin on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:21 pm

Come on Pot - commit.
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by SecretFly on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:23 pm

Interesting team there George but North at 14.

Nah

14. Earls: Did so much more than North to allow Ireland to be in the position to take the Slam. Was on fire, combative, speedy and defensively (example against France) like a laser guided missile at his best. It takes more than scoring tries to be a player in any position. Earls is the Championship's 14.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by maestegmafia on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:24 pm

Negri at six, especially after yesterday.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by Pot Hale on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:32 pm

George Carlin wrote:Come on Pot - commit.

Ok then.

15 Minozzi
14 Thomas
13 Ringrose
12 Farrell
11 Stockdale
10 Sexton
9 Murray
8 Stander
7 Watson
6 Negri
5 Gray
4 Ryan
3 Furlong
2 Guirado
1 Healy


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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by SecretFly on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:35 pm

I know what Pot is going to do here.....

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by Pot Hale on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:37 pm

SecretFly wrote:I know what Pot is going to do here.....

You do? Even I don’t know. Me head is still a Belfast blur.
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:38 pm

Here's mine:

1 Cian Healy - a mainstay in a dominant Irish pack

2 Stuart McInally - IMO one of the top hookers in NH rugby now. Some outstanding performances, none more so than against England

3 Tadhg Furlong - and that's without playing each game! The best TH in world rugby

4 James Ryan - nothing flashy but a beast in Ireland's boiler room

5 AWJ - he's been collosal this tournament

6 Chris Robshaw - Mr consistent had s fantastic tournament for England, one of the few players who did. Probably would have been Shingler if he'd started every game

7 Josh Navidi - honorary mention to Hamish Watson, but Navidi won their head to head down gets the nod

8 CJ Stander - an absolute beast and huge driving force in the Irish juggernaut

9 Connor Murray - he's had better individual displays the Ireland and his consistency and control is a big reason Ireland got the GS

10 Jonny Sexton - similar comments to Murray, and his drop goal against France will live long in the memory

11 Jacob Stockdale - who else!

12 Hadleigh Parkes - a younger, stronger, more skillful Jamie Roberts!

13 Mathieu Bastareaud - a physical beast who has added a bit of flair to his game! Huge presence at the breakdown too

14 Keith Earls - the form of his life

15 Matteo Minozzi - could be the new superstar of Italian rugby. Incredibly exciting player!

8 Irish, 3 Welsh, 1 Scottish, 1 English, 1 French, 1 Italian which is a reasonable split. Could have had more Scots in there but our top performers weren't consistent enough across the whole tournament. Jonny Gray deserves an honourable mention for humongous workrate and topping the tackle charts.


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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by SecretFly on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 2:42 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
SecretFly wrote:I know what Pot is going to do here.....

You do?  Even I don’t know.  Me head is still a Belfast blur.

Correction, I didn't know what Pot was going to do.

Are you in Belfast Pot?

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by The Great Aukster on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 4:27 pm

Sorry George but the title of this thread would fail the trade descriptions act. The 'team' of the tournament is simply Ireland.
Of course you mean the 'fantasy' team of the tournament, and I find the fixation in the media with such teams fascinating, and a tad unhealthy.
They often reward players like Guirado who is selected because of his work rate, but he only had such a record because of system failures around him! As a Hooker who can't hook or throw straight, should be even be in the reckoning? Smile

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 4:57 pm

Jonny Gray has set a new championship record of 100 tackles! Shocked

Interestingly Owen Farrell missed 17 tackles - the second highest in the tournament.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by TJ on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 5:06 pm

I counted up his tackles in the stats as 95 made 3 missed? Still a fantastic acheivement. any fantasy team without him in it is wrong ;-)

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by George Carlin on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 5:18 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:Sorry George but the title of this thread would fail the trade descriptions act. The 'team'  of the tournament is simply Ireland.

Of course you mean the 'fantasy' team of the tournament, and I find the fixation in the media with such teams fascinating, and a tad unhealthy.

They often reward players like Guirado who is selected because of his work rate, but he only had such a record because of system failures around him! As a Hooker who can't hook or throw straight, should be even be in the reckoning? Smile
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

IMO Dan Leavy has been the best 7 in the tournament. I believe he outshine Watson and Navidi when he came up against them and also was outstanding v England.

He should get the 7 jersey. I thought Kearney was exceptional for Ireland too but Minozzi deserves the 15 jersey.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 6:23 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Jonny Gray has set a new championship record of 100 tackles! Shocked

Interestingly Owen Farrell missed 17 tackles - the second highest in the tournament.

Anyone surprised?

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by The Great Aukster on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 6:33 pm

George Carlin wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:Sorry George but the title of this thread would fail the trade descriptions act. The 'team'  of the tournament is simply Ireland.

Of course you mean the 'fantasy' team of the tournament, and I find the fixation in the media with such teams fascinating, and a tad unhealthy.

They often reward players like Guirado who is selected because of his work rate, but he only had such a record because of system failures around him! As a Hooker who can't hook or throw straight, should be even be in the reckoning? Smile

Looks like Jacques Brunel - is he the fantasy coach?

... good call, as in reality he's the one who picks the hooker that can't hook.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by whocares on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 7:05 pm

Nothing like a gracious winner Smile am sure Guirado will be utterly disappointed by your precious opinion !

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by the-goon on Sun 18 Mar 2018, 8:46 pm

Kearney
Earls
Jones
Parkes
Stockdale
Sexton
Murray
Stander
Leavy
Shingler
AW Jones
Ryan
Furlong
Guirado
Healy

A number of close calls, Minozzi, Thomas, ringrose, may, Farrell, Barclay, Watson, gray, Owens and mako all can stake a claim.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 8:37 am

whocares wrote:Nothing like a gracious winner Smile am sure Guirado will be utterly disappointed by your precious opinion !

Just logic WC.

Every player has to make tackles and normally the flankers top those charts. A scrum half wouldn't be selected if he made the most tackles but couldn't pass or kick, so why should a hooker?

As for your (precious) opinion that Guirado will be utterly disappointed - who cares!

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by whocares on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 9:32 am

The Great Aukster wrote:
whocares wrote:Nothing like a gracious winner Smile am sure Guirado will be utterly disappointed by your precious opinion !

Just logic WC.

Every player has to make tackles and normally the flankers top those charts. A scrum half wouldn't be selected if he made the most tackles but couldn't pass or kick, so why should a hooker?

As for your (precious) opinion that Guirado will be utterly disappointed - who cares!

Nevermind. Maybe you missed out the irony ...

Anyway, it is fine to have different opinions on what a good hooker and captain should be about...  hooking and throwing is what ? 5% of what they do on the field? So yes am happy to have someone leading by example and showing courage on the lose “work” specially when your team is spending most of the time defending (given we talk about the France - Ireland game).
I get that Ireland won a GS and are now (by miles) the best team of the NH and well done to them and the coaching staff and to the IRFU for all the good work over the years that made it happen. No need to become unecessary arrogant though.  thumbsup

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by RuggerRadge2611 on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 10:06 am

my team of the tournament:

1. Healy
Cornerstone of a really strong Ireland pack

2. McInally
Pretty much outstanding in every game apart from Ireland, looks like he took a knock in that g

3. Furlong
The best tighthead in the world.

4. J Gray (hon mention Toner)
Apparently he broke the record for tackles made in this tournament with a tally of 98 tackles. That takes his haul to phenomenal 582 tackles from 594 attempts in his 43-Test career. Only 12 misses. Farrell missed more tackles this tournament than Gray has missed in his entire test career. Amazing.

5. AWJ (hon mention Ryan)
The best I can ever remember AWJ play, his maul defence against the french in particular was amazing.

6. Robshaw (hon mention POM)
England's best player and at times it looked like we was taking entire backrows on by himself.

7. Barclay (hon mention Leavy)
Top of the turnover tables, yes I have him here at 7 instead of 6 and yes Hamish Watson was also amazing but I feel Barclay's leadership this tournament has been excellent and he always looked like we was trying his guts out.


8. Camara (hon mention Stander)
The French pack had a good tournament and Camara and Guiardo were a big part of it.

9. Murray
Justification not needed.

10. Sexton
See above

11. Stockdale
see above

12. Aki (hon mention Parkes)
I thought Parkes had a good tournament too, but Aki edges it. I'm also a huge fan of farrell but he had a tournament to forget.

13. Jones
Played out of position against Wales, but he made up for it against France and 20x over against England. He'll rue that buthcered pass to Hogg at the Aviva but the work he went through to get to that position was wonderful. He'll mature into test match rugby with this only being his second season.

14. May (hon mention Fickou)
As with Robshaw and Farrell he looked like the only England player who cared. He looked dangerous when he got the ball and wasn't standing in touch.

15. Halfpenny
Kearney is unlucky and so is Hogg, but I thought Halfpenny was consistently excellent.

Some tough calls.
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 10:14 am

WC - no the irony wasn't missed. The point was that the team that wins a tournament is obviously THE "team of the tournament". It happened to be Ireland in the 6N this year, England last year, NZ in the RWC etc. That is factual, not opinion. I agree that anyone denying the best team won the tournament would indeed be ungracious or arrogant.

The fantasy collection of individuals from 1 to 15 could arguably be any permutation of the 150+ players involved in the tournament - it is fantasy after all. Jonny Gray was the top tackler, leads by example and shows courage so by your criteria why not just pick him at hooker, if hooking and throwing doesn't matter? thumbsup

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by George Carlin on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 10:46 am

The Great Aukster wrote:WC - no the irony wasn't missed. The point was that the team that wins a tournament is obviously THE "team of the tournament". It happened to be Ireland in the 6N this year, England last year, NZ in the RWC etc. That is factual, not opinion. I agree that anyone denying the best team won the tournament would indeed be ungracious or arrogant.

The fantasy collection of individuals from 1 to 15 could arguably be any permutation of the 150+ players involved in the tournament - it is fantasy after all. Jonny Gray was the top tackler, leads by example and shows courage so by your criteria why not just pick him at hooker, if hooking and throwing doesn't matter? thumbsup
Why stop there? My front row of 1. Incredible Hulk 2. Captain America and 3. Thor would win plenty of scrum penalties.
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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by BamBam on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 10:51 am

George, that's just preposterous

Hulk would obviously be your tighthead (although I suppose he'd have to be better than Furlong, no sure thing), and Captain America/Thor are far too pretty to be in the front row

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 11:23 am

Furlong is the Hulk - the green is a real giveaway.

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Re: 6N 2018 - Team of the Tournament and Retrospective

Post by EST on Mon 19 Mar 2018, 2:07 pm

1. Healey
2. McInally
3. Furlong
4. Ryan
5. AWJ
6. O'Mahoney
7. Camara
8. Stander

9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Stockdale
12. Parkes
13. Ringrose
14. Earls
15. Minozzi

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