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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Tue 27 Mar 2018, 12:31 am

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Being reported by the Australian press that head coach has tendered his resignation. For someone who had no knowledge of the ball tampering, funny how he jumps just as cricket Australia CEO rocks up in South Africa. Lehmann is a coward and true justification would be a lifetime ban.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 8:21 am

If ye are man enough to commit to calculated cheating then you should be man enough accept the consequences. Cant stand all these tears.
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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 8:40 am

aucklandlaurie wrote:If (as rumoured) Bancroft and Warner are going to appeal the sanctions imposed they may need to be more forthright as to who else was involved at Newlands, and whether they had done this in prior games.

Actually the Aussie media were quite reserved.

Sounds like that’s Warner’s intention from his post interview tweets:

I know there are unanswered questions and lots of them. I completely understand. In time i will do my best to answer them all. But there is a formal CA process to follow. I am taking advice to make sure I properly comply with that process and answer all questions in the proper place and at the proper time. I should have mentioned that in my press conference I’m sorry for not making it clearer. With so much at stake for my family and cricket I have to follow this process properly. I think that’s fair.

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Post by VTR on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 9:11 am

These teary press conferences are getting ridiculous now. Acting that would look embarrassing even on Ramsey Street or Summer Bay. I'd like to see the bans at least doubled for these pathetic displays trying to turn themselves into the victims

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 9:46 am

I believe their tears are genuine but that shouldn't change how we view what happened.  David Warner and Steve Smith were tearful while Cameron Bancroft wasn't.  Clearly they were all under stress when appearing in front of the "world" in their respective press conferences.  

Warner and Smith have shown themselves to be "emotional" characters - or at least they have difficulty in controlling their emotions, while Cameron Bancroft is less emotional - or at least better able to keep his emotions in check.

Essentially Warner and Smith were crying from self-pity.  I don't believe it was acting.  But then again I don't think their tears or lack of tears should alter their punishment.


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Post by SimonofSurrey on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:20 am

So 'the leadership group' appears to be just the captain, vice-captain and a half wit junior fall guy. None of the bowlers (who surely would/should have been the very first to see a change in the appearance and feel of the ball?) was aware of any of this, eh? Hmm... On which note, to the main protagonists of that vile culture of demeaning opponents, a question mark hangs over Nathan 'end some careers' Lyon and - perhaps slightly less firmly - Michell 'I hope he (Jackson Bird) sticks it up the Poms for those ridiculous comments' Starc. There is more to come, and the absurd self-pity of those caught out - so far - shows what miserable bullies they are. But are they seriously the only ones involved. Of all people, Michael Clarke commented that the Cape Town dressing room is small.

So much for the negatives, now to some welcome positives. Well done to Tim Paine for the gesture of agreeing with FdP the symbolic 'draw a line in the sand'-type team handshakes before the Fourth Test. There's a big part of me hopes the Aussies make a real go of this Test in order to show:
1/ the positive, on the field, side of Australian cricket which all true lovers of the game enjoy (even, for me, when done at the expense of England); and
2/ that life for Australian cricket can start to go on perfectly well without the three self-pitying cheats - and their equally dubious soon to be ex-coach.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:31 am

The tears are more for the loss of income for me (loss of sponsorship, IPL deals etc.) than for remorse. Hell if I lost the chance to earn over £1,000,000, I am sure that there would be tears in my eyes about that.

No tears of remorse from them as far as I can see, cheats rarely have remorse...
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Post by VTR on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:32 am

Yes, I'm not having it that no one else was involved. Especially Starc, the master of reverse swing, would definitely know what's going on. Saying that, I don't want to see any more tears so am OK that they leave it where it is

I agree, at best those tears are self pity. I'm sure they can earn some cash from the whole thing though. Serialisation in the tabloids? Love Island? Steve Smith the new face of B&Q. Money to be made I'd say

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:44 am

Maybe someone could collect all the quotes from Steve Smith and analyse them.  His use of the term "leadership group" gave the impression that there were quite a few people involved.  

However the action itself of ball tampering using a piece of sandpaper in public view was so incompetently carried out / ill thought out - that does suggest only a very small group (one or two perhaps) was directly involved in concocting the method of ball tampering to be used - although the number that may have agreed to the principal of ball tampering may have been larger (three or four or more).

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Post by boomeranga on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 10:50 am

No name Bertie wrote:I believe their tears are genuine but that shouldn't change how we view what happened.  David Warner and Steve Smith were tearful while Cameron Bancroft wasn't.  Clearly they were all under stress when appearing in front of the "world" in their respective press conferences.  

Warner and Smith have shown themselves to be "emotional" characters - or at least they have difficulty in controlling their emotions, while Cameron Bancroft is less emotional - or at least better able to keep his emotions in check.

Essentially Warner and Smith were crying from self-pity.  I don't believe it was acting.  But then again I don't think their tears or lack of tears should alter their punishment.

From what I have read about the culture in the Australian Camp - it seemed pretty well immoral - for example in their sledging of opponent batsmen they would comment on and ridicule them on recent deaths of parents and relatives and illnesses of their spouses and children.


Where did you read that? If true, then they are scum.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:01 am

boomeranga wrote:
No name Bertie wrote:... From what I have read about the culture in the Australian Camp - it seemed pretty well immoral - for example in their sledging of opponent batsmen they would comment on and ridicule them on recent deaths of parents and relatives and illnesses of their spouses and children.

Where did you read that?  If true, then they are scum.
I probably should retract that / or cast some uncertainty on it - it was from a comment that I read on a recent BBC article open to comments.  It said that Bairstow had been sledged on his dead father.


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Post by boomeranga on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:06 am

Comments as in internet warrior comments? Or player comments?

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:11 am

boomeranga wrote:Comments as in internet warrior comments? Or player comments?
Probably internet warrior comments.  I'll delete my allegation - and give the actual comments.

From http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43589535
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6.  Posted by Gorgar Speaks  
These guys didn't care too much about the mental wellbeing of the likes of Trott, Broad, Bairstow, etc when they were trying to damage them with their "mental disintegration" antics. So why should anyone give a monkey's about how they feel?

45.  Posted by   Wesley  
Oh please. It's not just about ball-tampering. It's about the abusive, corrosive, sledge-fest character of Australian cricket. Where was the concern when Australia sledged Broad, Trott and lately Bairstow about his dead father?
What about Warner's behaviour in the current SA tour? Australian cricket stinks with rank hypocrisy and it's players, with CA collusio, have debased the game.

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Post by boomeranga on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:15 am

Thanks for clarifying.

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 11:21 am

I think I read the same accusations made by the Daily Mail in the boxing day test but that Bairstow had come out and said that was not the case and as such the Daily Mail had to amend their claims Bertie.

We all know that the Aussies sledge, and are probably the best at it, but do not believe they would stoop to such a low level.
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Post by boomeranga on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 12:04 pm

So it remains possible that Bairstow is just a kok, and headbutted someone for nothing more than testosterone and too much booze. It happens. Interesting that a story that proved to be false when challenged followed in the immediate aftermath

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Post by eirebilly on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 12:07 pm

I believe something was said but not what was reported by the Daily Mail there boomeranga. I don't think that Bairstow is a kok as he immediately stated that what was reported was incorrect.
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Post by boomeranga on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 12:17 pm

Something may well have been said but did anyone ask Bairstow what he said? We're the current villain, but in a lineup of ocker and pom, I'm not the only gobshites. And you're probably there for authenticity and evidential reasons as well.

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Post by king_carlos on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 2:24 pm

The rumours I've heard from a few sources about Warner and Bairstow was that comments were sadly made about the circumstances in which David Bairstow died.

Apparently, Warner also encouraged younger players to follow suit when umpires started keeping a closer eye on him - a familiar feeling story now.

As for 'the culture of Australia cricket' I also heard that most of his team mates were absolutely appalled when they heard the extent and topic of the comments being made. In fact, I know a couple of journalists who were in Oz for the Ashes that said those comments were a turning point at which Warners attitude started to isolate him within his own changing room.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 31 Mar 2018, 6:38 pm

Tough, fair-dinkum, hate-the-Poms, mental disintegrating, sledging Aussies reduced to tears after getting caught for possibly the most transparent ball tampering ever.
   I'm laughing my head off. That Warner is involved, and also doing some of the crying, is way off the ironic scale of irony. This is one of the nastiest sports teams ever and there should not be a shred of sympathy for them.

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 9:58 am

Just a quick update on this former Australia captain Steven Smith and Cameron Bancroft have confirmed they will not appeal their suspensions.

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Post by SimonofSurrey on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 2:31 pm

Moderators: out of interest, what's this green line thingy alongside my post above of 31 March and subsequent posts from carlos and f perry? Hovering the mouse over the line brings up the message 'Message reputation 100% (1 vote)' which sounds ok but still doesn't totally reassure me.

As, principally, a hockey player I was/am a bit concerned: a green card means two minutes off the pitch for a misdemeanour... warning

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 6:10 pm

SimonofSurrey wrote:Moderators: out of interest, what's this green line thingy alongside my post above of 31 March and subsequent posts from carlos and f perry? Hovering the mouse over the line brings up the message 'Message reputation 100% (1 vote)' which sounds ok but still doesn't totally reassure me.

As, principally, a hockey player I was/am a bit concerned: a green card means two minutes off the pitch for a misdemeanour... warning

It just means someone has liked your post. Red is the colour you do not want to see as it means someone dislikes your post. You can vote on posts by clicking on the small + or - buttons on the right side of the post.
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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:35 pm

It’s a bizarre thing and I dislike it immensely

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Post by GSC on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:41 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:It’s a bizarre thing and I dislike it immensely

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Post by Duty281 on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 8:54 pm

As you wish.

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Post by Pal Joey on Thu 05 Apr 2018, 6:17 am

Well said.

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