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Post by Snap Hook on Mon 02 Apr 2018, 7:01 pm

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As per point number 10 of Houston Ballwasher notes , below are my current* golfing Heroes and Villains.

* These change all the time, well the villains anyway, and no doubt by Sunday, something or someone will be making my top 5.

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All the talk about Poulter and Kisner, got me thinking about my current top 5 golfing heroes and villains in true panto sense.

Heroes

Tiger Woods - without doubt played the most amazing golf witnessed to date.
John Daly - love a rebel, so much talent.
Justin Rose - everything I see on course and twitter, operates as a gentleman.
Matt Kuchar - just seems to enjoy golf for what it is.
Seve - watched him at St Mellion in 1995, all over the shop on front 9, shoots 40, back 9, shoots 30. Typical Seve.


Villains

Ian Poulter - will do well to remember all the people you pass on the way to the 'top', you pass again on the way down. Absolutely no class whatsoever.
Johnny Miller - perhaps once in while recognise that golf is a global game, and the odd 'international' is quite good too.
Kevin Kisner - Chewing tobacco and spitting, enough said.
Masters Committee - Just allow full live TV coverage on all 4 days and grown the game. Pathetic.
Patrick Read - Panto villain in every sense.

Honorable mentions to Jason Day, JB Holmes and Webb Simpson for being so slow.

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As you can imagine watching Poulter and listening to Miller last night was pretty painful! However fair play to Poulter he got the job done and the upside he wont be doing comms for Sky - well not for rounds 1 and 2.


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Post by Diggers on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 2:22 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
sirbenson wrote:
We also have people like Sonia O'Sullivan, Katie Taylor.

Being a Harrington fan though he'd be my choice but then again, I'm slightly biased.

I don't think you're being biased. Objectively, he beat the world's best in the most prestigious events in the sport 3 times. Did Sonia O'Sullivan win 3 Olympic or World Championship gold medals? No.

She has one track gold and should certainly by any rational thinking have another 2. Only the brief emergence of the Chinese athletes in the early 90's stopped her adding 2 more. I don't think I've ever seen more obvious doping but they got away with it. Sonia also won 2 world x countries, very rare for a European to do that. So she has been a world champ 3 times.
Not saying it makes her more worthy than Paddy, but she was a class act.

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Post by super_realist on Wed 04 Apr 2018, 7:26 pm

Isn't Brian O' Driscoll usually considered the tatty munchers greatest?

Not sure how anyone can mention Katie Taylor with a straight face, a sport where she has virtually no competition.

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Post by George1507 on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 9:47 am

Heroes - Arnie and Jack, Tom Watson. They played like you are supposed to play. I think some of the players from years ago like James Braid and Harry Vardon and Bobby Jones were brilliant guys too.

Villains - Branden Grace, David Frost and most of the other South Africans who've always taken advantage of the rules. Seve because he was a whining moaner and as soon as he was called out by someone tough he crumbled. Paul Azinger and Colin Montgomerie hold a place in my heart for this.

All the rest - I couldn't care less.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 11:39 am

Blimey George, what have the Saffers done to get your goat to such an extent? Golfing "rules" or something more cultural??

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Post by Be_the_ball on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 12:43 pm

I will never forgive Stewart Cink for winning Tom Watson's Open Championship in 09, brings a tear to my eye now just thinking about it Sad

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Post by pedro on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 1:50 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:Blimey George, what have the Saffers done to get your goat to such an extent? Golfing "rules" or something more cultural??
I recall an episode last year (Wentworth) where Grace took relief from a plugged lie in the bunker edge because his foot (after much effort) touched the rubber on the base of the bunker. Worthy of the villain label.

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Post by George1507 on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 3:25 pm

David Frost was trying to claim a free drop at the Open a few years ago by claiming his foot would be on a concrete step (if he was pointing 90 degrees away from the green it was)

Grace because he dug his feet so far into that bunker at Wentworth I thought he was drilling for oil.

And others - they have the mentality of trying to get out of where they hit it by claiming a free drop.

Yes, it's rules related, not cultural.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 3:47 pm

!!
Interesting, never occurred to me that trying to gain every possible advantage on the course was a SAF thing, the pros pretty much all do it in my experience, but by and large with the nod and a wink to the blind horse that is Tour officialdom (and I don't mean just the on-course guys).
Would also say that from the views I've had from the "gallery", the pros are very accepting of the officials' application of the rules when they're spelt out.
Dunno about the SAF contingent though . . . . . . . !

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Post by pedro on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 3:51 pm

The Saffers grew up with preferential treatment...

But I never experienced Els, Goosen, Oosty, Charl etc. bending the rules though.

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Post by Diggers on Sun 08 Apr 2018, 4:05 pm

Monty, Tiger, VJ, Seve, Faldo...they all new/know how to stretch the rules when necessary.

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Post by George1507 on Mon 09 Apr 2018, 9:23 am

Not a South African, but did anyone see Mark Leishmann on Saturday at the Masters?

Snap hooked his drive on the 18th, and the ball ended up a foot away from a green wooden fence. The rules guy gave him a two club length drop away from the fence (which looked for all the world like it was closer to the hole), Leishmann then belts it out through a tree, just short of the green, chipped it on and holed for a five. No, he holed for a FOUR.

I absolutely despair about these decisions. That fence is always there apparently, not part of the broadcasting paraphernalia.

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Post by dynamark on Mon 09 Apr 2018, 4:42 pm

Saw a drop yesterday think it was Reed out of a fairway drain or sprinkler and I swear it was closer to the hole.
Why is he specifically not well liked.

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Post by super_realist on Mon 09 Apr 2018, 6:48 pm

dynamark wrote:Saw a drop yesterday think it was Reed out of a fairway drain or sprinkler and I swear it was closer to the hole.
Why is he specifically not well liked.

Because he's a big headed braggard.

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Post by pedro on Mon 09 Apr 2018, 10:12 pm

super_realist wrote:
dynamark wrote:Saw a drop yesterday think it was Reed out of a fairway drain or sprinkler and I swear it was closer to the hole.
Why is he specifically not well liked.

Because he's a big headed braggard.
Hardly an un-American trait?

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 10:15 am

dynamark wrote:Saw a drop yesterday think it was Reed out of a fairway drain or sprinkler and I swear it was closer to the hole.
Why is he specifically not well liked.
Because he's not Rory, Rickeeee, Jordan, Tiger, Phil etc.
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Post by George1507 on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 2:43 pm

Patrick Reed seems ok to me. I probably wouldn't want to spend an evening in the pub with him but he's better than a lot of them.

I have a strange feeling he'll be the next Grand Slam golfer - while Rory and Phil wrestle with their Masters and US Open demons, I think he'll sneak in. Justin, Dustin and Jordan might prove me wrong.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 3:42 pm

The thing with Reed is that a lot seems to be made of him not fitting into a couple of college golf teams. It wouldn't be hard to imagine that a fair few people on a college golf team have had quite a spoiled existence and not fitting in with them might be a positive?

Even if he has had some issues in history isn't it a bit rich for journalists to question his history while failing to ever mention the horror show of ANGC's history and its members position on civil rights?

Or what about the times Els, Rory and Tiger played with Trump?
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Post by super_realist on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 5:26 pm

McLaren wrote:The thing with Reed is that a lot seems to be made of him not fitting into a couple of college golf teams.  It wouldn't be hard to imagine that a fair few people on a college golf team have had quite a spoiled existence and not fitting in with them might be a positive?

Even if he has had some issues in history isn't it a bit rich for journalists to question his history while failing to ever mention the horror show of ANGC's history and its members position on civil rights
Or what about the times Els, Rory and Tiger played with Trump?


Mac, I know you're the worlds biggest ingénue, but how can you criticise anyone for playing golf with Trump? Have you played every single round of golf with people who you A) Like and B) Agree with on every point. It's certain you haven't.

Sometimes it is good to mix with people you wouldn't normally want to play with. You can't just stick your fingers in your ears everytime someone says something you don't like or blanket block them because you differ on some points of view. You're supposed to be a bit open minded are you not?

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Post by McLaren on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 6:29 pm

Super

Did they just happen to get drawn together in the monthly medal?
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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:12 pm

Mac,

The main reason Reed didn't "fit in" is probably something to do with the times he has been accused of cheating at golf and pilfering money etc from team-mates.
Otherwise I don't hear anything bad said about him. Unless you ask his parents.

Could all be no smoke and no fire, but strange that no-one ever comes out of the woodwork to say it's all a load of cobbler's.

Personally, I'll judge him on his golf and appreciate the hard yakka he fought thru to reach the PGA Tour.

And it'll be interesting to see where he goes from here - can't see a Grand Slam in his future, sorry George!, but didn't see a Masters either.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:32 pm

Kwini

True it wasn't just a clash of personalities but I am just wondering if Reed's prior indiscretions have been highlighted a little more than most players.


Kwini/George

Don't you think Spieth is the most likely player to nab the grand slam? "All" he has to do is win the PGA. Evan Rory only the one, however unlikely it seems at the moment that he could grab it.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:38 pm

No they didn't Mac, but it's unlikely they knew him, so what's to stop them playing with him for a laugh.

Are you so PC you'd turn down a game with Sergio because of ONE comment he made? Are you so immature you would turn down a game with him because you don't share 100% of Sergio's views?


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Post by McLaren on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:41 pm

If Trumps misdemeanors only amounted to those of Sergio I might just about be persuaded to play with him.
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Post by super_realist on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:48 pm

Yet, you've stated before you'd play his course if I was paying. What a hypocrite.

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Post by McLaren on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 7:55 pm

Anything to get a round with you.
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Post by kwinigolfer on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 8:55 pm

McLaren wrote:Kwini

True it wasn't just a clash of personalities but I am just wondering if Reed's prior indiscretions have been highlighted a little more than most players.


Kwini/George

Don't you think Spieth is the most likely player to nab the grand slam? "All" he has to do is win the PGA.  Evan Rory only the one, however unlikely it seems at the moment that he could grab it.

Phil's up first, at Shinnecock where he runnered up to Goosen. And he's got Pebble Beach next year where he's won four times and been close in an "Open". Otherwise, certainly agree it's when, not if, for Spieth - just as it was for Tom Watson . . . . . oops.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue 10 Apr 2018, 9:32 pm

super_realist wrote:No they didn't Mac, but it's unlikely they knew him, so what's to stop them playing with him for a laugh.

Are you so PC you'd turn down a game with Sergio because of ONE comment he made? Are you so immature you would turn down a game with him because you don't share 100% of Sergio's views?

No-one with an IQ >20 plays with Trump 'for a laugh'. The man's a pr1ck.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 7:53 am

Who cares if he's a pr1ck. It would be fun to play him, not least because I'd annihilate him.

Tiger Moobs is a pr1ck too, but I'd more than likely still play.

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Post by Roller_Coaster on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:16 am

I think I'd probably play a round with just about anyone. It's the second lap that might get refused!

Trump would, at least, possibly be an interesting person to speak to for a lap, even though I don't agree with very much of what he comes out with.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 2:18 pm

super_realist wrote:Who cares if he's a pr1ck. It would be fun to play him, not least because I'd annihilate him.

Tiger Moobs is a pr1ck too, but I'd more than likely still play.
You clearly don't, which IMO is absurd. You'd actively play golf with people you think are a pr!ck? Yeah, right.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 7:24 pm

I don't know either of them, nor do you, they might be completely different from their public persona.

You might for example say you wouldn't mind a round with Gary Lineker, but I've heard he's a pr1ck in person too. It works both ways.

You can always walk off. I've done that before.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:04 pm

Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.
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Post by super_realist on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:06 pm

Would you not play with him so you could walk off after the first hole because he was a bell end?
Surely it's worth a hole to be able to do that?

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:32 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.

What if the course was Auguata National?

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:47 pm

Be_the_ball wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.

What if the course was Auguata National?


I seriously doubt they'd let him on. And certainly not Drumpf!

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Post by Be_the_ball on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 9:57 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
Be_the_ball wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.

What if the course was Auguata National?


I seriously doubt they'd let him on. And certainly not Drumpf!

Laugh Laugh Laugh

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Post by pedro on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 11:04 pm

I think Trump would fit the Hootie bill perfectly though..

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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 12 Apr 2018, 12:01 pm

super_realist wrote:Would you not play with him so you could walk off after the first hole because he was a bell end?
Surely it's worth a hole to be able to do that?
Not for me.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 12 Apr 2018, 12:02 pm

Be_the_ball wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.

What if the course was Auguata National?
Nope. Actually, ANGC isn't that tempting for me as a course, association with the Masters aside. Cypress Point would be tougher to resist!
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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 12 Apr 2018, 12:03 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
Be_the_ball wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:Fair point. Woods maybe. Trump was, is and always will be, a bona fide pr!ck. I wouldn't want to spend a single second in his company.

What if the course was Auguata National?


I seriously doubt they'd let him on. And certainly not Drumpf!
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