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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 11 Apr 2018, 8:58 pm

The World Cup is soon to be upon us, with Russia hosting a controversial tournament that has got about as much political intrigue attached to it as footballing interest.  Germany won their 4th World Cup four years ago in Brazil and go into this tournament amongst the favourites. Spain, Brazil and France make up the other four major players, with Argentina, Portugal and Belgium all tipped to make inroads too.

Even England are there, which is more than any other Home Nation (or Ireland) could achieve this time around, although some might say this is a good one to miss considering the nature of the questions surrounding the awarding of host status, poisonings, violence and political landscapes.  

The tournament runs from June 14th (kicking off with Russia vs Saudi Arabia) to July 15th, when the final will take place and a winner decided.

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Post by compelling and rich on Mon 14 May 2018, 10:40 am

think we all need a dutys england are going to win 2018 thread to give us some much needed optimism

always love the world cup (england disappointing aside). we doing a fantasy football again?

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Post by Just John on Tue 15 May 2018, 11:53 am

Joe Hart told he won’t be included in the England squad for the World Cup

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Post by Beer on Tue 15 May 2018, 11:54 am

Great news, means Pope is going.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 15 May 2018, 12:16 pm

He’s had an atrocious season, think his shot stopping was listed as third worst and he’s made so many big mistakes. Had a chance to build on a great performance against Chelsea and blew it.

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Post by Beer on Tue 15 May 2018, 12:18 pm

Can't see him staying at West Ham either.

Also, good luck in your battle against the ECB, Dolph.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Tue 15 May 2018, 12:22 pm

He’ll only stay on if we’re being extra cheap, but it seems very unlikely. Hard to see where he goes; few teams need a keeper.

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Post by Marky on Tue 15 May 2018, 4:34 pm

Dolphin Ziggler wrote:He’ll only stay on if we’re being extra cheap, but it seems very unlikely. Hard to see where he goes; few teams need a keeper.

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Post by Marky on Tue 15 May 2018, 4:35 pm

I think the unpopular but versatile players will be in the England squad even though they aren't the best in their positions.

Like Trippier, Delph and Young.

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Post by Just John on Tue 15 May 2018, 6:43 pm

Wilshere misses out

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Post by compelling and rich on Tue 15 May 2018, 8:18 pm

more surprised at wilshere than hart. perhaps southgate lacks the faith that he can last under tournament conditions. but were not exactly crying out for good cm's. not his biggest fan but would have taken him as a option on the bench at least

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 16 May 2018, 12:10 am

Joe Hart blames Moyes for not being selected Laugh

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Post by dummy_half on Wed 16 May 2018, 7:28 am

Marky

Agree with your thinking - a tournament squad usually needs a couple of guys who can cover 2 or 3 positions acceptably, as with Milner in the last few squads.

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Agree with your points - Wilshere is technically probably our best CM, and certainly offers something different from the others. Question marks over his fitness / durability and I wonder about his attitude.

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 16 May 2018, 8:13 am

dummy_half wrote:Marky

Agree with your thinking - a tournament squad usually needs a couple of guys who can cover 2 or 3 positions acceptably, as with Milner in the last few squads.

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Agree with your points - Wilshere is technically probably our best CM, and certainly offers something different from the others. Question marks over his fitness / durability and I wonder about his attitude.

With Oxlade Chamberlain out, Wilshere or Shelvey should have been in as our creative/different CMs in my opinion, especially as the rumour is somehow Livermore has made it Doh
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Post by Ent on Wed 16 May 2018, 8:54 am

Don't think wilshere can play one game a week regularly never mind more often, rules him out of tournament football. Also over rated.

Surprised hart missed out, know the 3rd choice keeper is unlikely to play but if injury or suspension hits do you want to see an uncapped guy with 1 season as a starting goal keeper coming on in a high pressure World Cup game?

Slim pickings for the squad, hence so much discussion around it imo.

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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 16 May 2018, 10:17 am

Im glad Hart has been left out, hasnt performed so shouldnt be in the side...simple as that. Whether its as 1st or 3rd choice. Pope has been incredible and would have been a travesty to see him miss out...also would have sent completely the wrong message.

I remember when Southgate took the job he claimed that players would have to show they were in good form and prove their fitness to make the teams. Now we are discussing Lallana who has barely strung half dozen games together. I cant imagine too many shock calls up in the squad but can imagine a couple of head scratches. If Livermore makes the squad its embarassing...wouldnt make the Panama team!

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Post by Just John on Wed 16 May 2018, 2:13 pm

England Squad

Butland, Pickford, Pope

Alexander-Arnold, Cahill, Delph, Jones, Maguire, Rose, Stones, Trippier, Walker, Young

Alli, Loftus-Cheek, Dier, Henderson, Lingard

Kane, Welbeck, Vardy, Rashford, Sterling

Not sure how Loftus-Cheek is anywhere near that squad. We’ve got six wing-backs. Lewis Cook is a reserve, but Shelvey isn’t picard

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Post by owen10ozzy on Wed 16 May 2018, 2:17 pm

Rose isnt even 1st choice for Spurs but is in...

Lewis Dunk - check his stats this season...Top 3 in almost every stat and hasnt even been discussed.

The midfield is so so poor for England...you know your in trouble when Livermore is a stand by! And as others have said...those in charge dont make life better when they leave out the better players anyway!

Kane and Sterling are the obvious threats in that team...and since Sterling does little for England I doubt even Tunisia and Panama are panicking too much!


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Post by No name Bertie on Wed 16 May 2018, 2:31 pm

When Iceland beat England in the European Championship, England were playing against players that included players from the Championship and I think League One as well.  There seems to be a strong tendency with the England selection to focus predominantly on players playing or warming the bench for the top six sides in the Premier League.


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Post by GSC on Wed 16 May 2018, 2:32 pm

I don't hate that squad. No obvious names that were breaking down the door for me, though I'd rather have taken Sessegnon over Welbeck.

I'll set par at getting out of the group, beyond that...
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Wed 16 May 2018, 3:08 pm

GSC wrote:I don't hate that squad. No obvious names that were breaking down the door for me, though I'd rather have taken Sessegnon over Welbeck.

I'll set par at getting out of the group, beyond that...

For me Delph and Welbeck are the only ones I'd take issue with (I'd have gone with Lallana and Shelvey in ahead of those two), otherwise I don't think there can be many complaints - it's not exactly like we've a huge pool to choose from and are leaving out good players...

I think a good tournament would be getting to the quarter finals, albeit I expect a round of 16 exit.
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Post by Just John on Wed 16 May 2018, 4:34 pm

Most probable:

—————————-Pickford————————-
—————-Walker—Stones——?——————
-Trippier—————————————Rose/Young-
—————-Henderson——Dier———————
————————Alli/Lingard————————-
—————-Sterling————Kane——————

Expect him to utilise the Alli & Kane partnership, so Lingard drops out. Rose or Young at LB, and a toss up of who is at LCB. No alternatives to that depressing central midfield, unless RLC is miraculously thrown in.

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Post by Dolphin Ziggler on Wed 16 May 2018, 7:03 pm

Almost exactly the squad I’d have named.

Can’t believe you are moaning about Loftus-Cheek! Bet you’d have picked Shelvey Laugh

Maybe a full back option too many, but Delph is a better midfielder than any in reserve. Wilshere unlucky, but not sure he’d fit tournament football. 

Welbeck getting in based on the alternative being Glenn Murray

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Post by GSC on Wed 16 May 2018, 7:33 pm

Its a pretty inoffensive squad when the main controversy is Jonjo Shelvey not being involved.

I'd rather have taken Sessegnon as a wing back/wing option over some of the names there, especially given their chances of getting a game are close to null.
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