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Post by No9 on Tue 08 May 2018, 10:40 am

First topic message reminder :

Original opening post answered, changed to tour thread...:
Anyone know if the tour to Argentina (and or South Africa game in US) is being televised.

It looks like Sky aren't doing it and BBC and S4C haven't posted anything either.

Be a real pity if these aren't being televised.

So Welsh summer squad has been anounced as :-

Wales squad

Forwards: Rob Evans (Scarlets) (25 Caps), Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (18 Caps), Elliot Dee (Dragons) (7 Caps), Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (2 Caps), Rhodri Jones (Ospreys) (16 Caps), Samson Lee (Scarlets) (38 Caps), Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (2 Caps), Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (31 Caps), Adam Beard (Ospreys) (2 Caps), Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (62 Caps), Seb Davies (Cardiff Blues) (4 Caps), Aaron Wainwright (Dragons) (*uncapped), Cory Hill (Dragons) (15 Caps), James Davies (Scarlets) (1 Cap), Ellis Jenkins (Cardiff Blues) (6 Caps), Ross Moriarty (Gloucester) (20 Caps), Josh Turnbull (Cardiff Blues) (8 Caps).

Backs: Aled Davies (Scarlets) (8 Caps),  Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (32 Caps), Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (*uncapped), Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (15 Caps), Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (8 Caps), Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (6 Caps), Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (4 Caps), Scott Williams (Scarlets) (55 Caps), Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (2 Caps), Hallam Amos (Dragons) (15 Caps), George North (Ospreys) (73 Caps), Tom Prydie (Scarlets) (5 Caps).

Red indicated "call-up".

Withdrawn from Original Named Squad or replaced due to injury:  Luke Charteris (Bath) (74 Caps), Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (11 Caps), Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps), Steff Evans (Scarlets) (9 Caps), Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (8 Caps).


2018 summer tour schedule
Saturday, 2 June KO 2200hrs BST [1700hrs local]

South Africa 20 - 22 Wales (Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Stadium, Washington, USA)

Team details:
Selections as posted on the BBC website...

Wales team: Hallam Amos; Tom Prydie, George North, Owen Watkin, Steff Evans; Gareth Anscombe, Tomos Williams; Nicky Smith, Elliot Dee, Dillon Lewis; Cory Hill, Bradley Davies; Seb Davies, Ellis Jenkins (capt), Ross Moriarty.

Replacements: Ryan Elias, Wyn Jones, Rhodri Jones, Adam Beard, Aaron Wainwright, Aled Davies, Rhys Patchell/Gareth Davies, Hadleigh Parkes.

South Africa: Curwin Bosch; Travis Ismaiel, Jesse Kriel, Andre Esterhuizen, Makazole Mapimpi; Elton Jantjies, Ivan van Zyl; Ox Nche, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Wilco Louw, Jason Jenkins, Pieter-Steph du Toit (capt), Kwagga Smith, Oupa Mohoje, Dan du Preez

Replacements: Akker van der Merwe, Steven Kitshoff, Thomas du Toit, Marvin Orie, Sikhumbuzo Notshe, Embrose Papier, Robert du Preez, Warrick Gelant

Referee: Matthew Carley (RFU).

Assistant referees: Alexandre Ruiz (FR) and Frank Murphy (IRE).

TMO: David Grashoff (RFU).

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Saturday, 9 June KO 2040hrs BST [1640hrs local]

Argentina 10 - 23 Wales (San Juan del Bicentenario Stadium, San Juan)

Team details:
Selections as posted on the BBC website...

Argentina: Emiliano Boffelli; Bautista Delguy, Matias Orlando, Jeronimo de la Fuente, Ramiro Moyano; Nicolas Sanchez, Gonzalo Bertranou; Santiago Garcia Botta, Agustin Creevey (capt), Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Guido Petti, Tomas Lavanini, Pablo Matera, Marcos Kremer, Javier Ortega Desio.

Replacements: Julian Montoya, Javier Diaz, Santiago Medrano, Matias Alemanno, Tomas Lezana, Martin Landajo, Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias, Sebastien Cancelliere.

Wales: Hallam Amos; Josh Adams, Scott Williams, Hadleigh Parkes, George North; Rhys Patchell, Gareth Davies; Rob Evans, Elliot Dee, Dillon Lewis, Adam Beard, Cory Hill (capt), Seb Davies, James Davies, Ross Moriarty.

Replacements: Ryan Elias, Nicky Smith, Tomas Francis, Josh Turnbull, Aaron Wainwright, Aled Davies, Gareth Anscombe, Owen Watkin.

Wyn Jones replaced due to calf injury.

RED = Change to team.

Referee: Andrew Brace (Ireland).

Assistant referees: Jaco Peyper (South Africa), Mathieu Raynal (France).

TMO: Marius Jonker (South Africa)

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Saturday, 16 June KO 2040hrs BST [1640hrs local]

Argentina 12 - 30 Wales (Estadio Brigadier López, Santa Fe)

Team details:
Selections as posted on the BBC website...

Argentina: Emiliano Boffelli; Bautista Delguy, Matias Orlando, Jeronimo de la Fuente, Ramiro Moyano; Nicolas Sanchez, Martin Landajo; Santiago Garcia Botta, Agustin Creevey (capt), Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro, Guido Petti, Tomas Lavanini, Pablo Matera, Marcos Kremer, Javier Ortega Desio.

Replacements: Julian Montoya, Javier Diaz, Santiago Medrano, Matias Alemanno, Tomas Lezana, Gonzalo Bertranou, Santiago Gonzalez Iglesias, Sebastien Cancelliere.

Wales: Hallam Amos; Josh Adams, Scott Williams, Owen Watkin, George North; Rhys Patchell, Aled Davies; Rob Evans, Ryan Elias, Tomas Francis, Adam Beard, Cory Hill (capt), Ellis Jenkins, James Davies, Ross Moriarty.

Replacements: Elliott Dee, Nicky Smith, Dillon Lewis, Bradley Davies, Josh Turnbull, Tomos Williams, Gareth Anscombe, Tom Prydie.

Officials source: http://officiating.worldrugby.org/?page=appointments&id=65
Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa).

Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Andrew Brace (Ireland).

TMO: Marius Jonker (South Africa)

TV Coverage reported by WOL to be Channel 4, in their first outing into Rugby coverage before they take on some European coverage next season.

So... thread open for discussion on the Wales Summer tour 2018.


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So 3 out of 3. Great Summer Tour, have we learned anything, are Wales and England "Poles apart"...


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Re: Wales Summer Tour

Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 9:54 pm

Awesome try wales! Hallam Amos after some lovely interplay. Great team try.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 9:59 pm

Have to say, anyone who still thinks Warrenball/Gatlandball is alive and well is light years behind the times. I think the last 6 nations and this summer tour have shown how far we’ve moved on from that. There were signs of it in the AIs too, but it was very rusty/new and I guess unfamiliar. But now it’s all offloads and players from 1-15 being comfortable with ball in hand. Contrast that to proper Warrenball where it was so stodgy and relied on Jamie Roberts trucking it up and then another wave of trucking it up from 2nd phase, and the same from 3rd phase and then run out of ideas and/or get turned over. Or, Mike Phillips would truck it up from first phase! This is much better on the eye.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:07 pm

I wonder if Argentina’s issue is that this is essentially their club side (the Jaguares) and therefore they are playing at a club-standard level which is a step down from international. Whereas most international teams take the best players from their club sides to put together a team stronger than the clubs individually, Argentina is basically a club side and therefore a step down from international level? Dunno. Hard to put into words, but they just don’t seem to be up to international speed in terms of action or thought.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:16 pm

Can't see what the benefit of playing Argentina is, apart from an easy win.

Someone give Eddie and the RFU a call.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:20 pm

It wasn’t meant to be easy TightHEAD! Was expecting much more from Argentina this tour. Pretty sure they were favourites before the tour too.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:21 pm

Tomos Williams adding much more zipp at 9 than Aled Davies.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:22 pm

They are normally solid in the forwards and will always give you a work out in that area but this current lot are dire.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:24 pm

The Argie medic just punched Moriarty, I’m sure of it!
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:25 pm

Was the medic dishing it out?
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:26 pm

Water boy needs to cop a ban there.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:26 pm

Argie Bargy
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:27 pm

Red Card in injury time! Madness!
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:28 pm

Sanction the fecking medic too ffs
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:29 pm

Should have just ended the game when Wales had the penalty.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:30 pm

The touch judge watched the medic make contact with the face and said nothing so did the TMO. Joke
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:30 pm

I think they need to look at what led Moriarty to react. It was a two handed kinda-punch in the face on Moriaty as he was on the floor by Sanchez. Might be one for the citing commissioner.


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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:31 pm

Stupid Wales play. Got greedy and went for the extra score in injury time but backfired and ended up conceding on 84 mins. Need to learn from that.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:32 pm

Nice way to finish the day off.

Let this day forever be known as 'poor officiating day'
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:33 pm

Nice embrace by Mortiarty and Sanchez after the whistle, very rugby-like sportsmanship after their scrap.

For wales, we need to learn from that. What if it was a World Cup quarter or semi final and that led to a stoppage time loss? Close the game out and move on.


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Post by profitius on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:36 pm

The Oracle wrote:Nice embrace by Mortiarty and Sanchez after the whistle, very rugby-like sportsmanship.

For wales, we need to learn from that. What if it was a World Cup quarter or semi final and that led to a stoppage time loss? Close the game out and move on.


Sanchez is a tetchy little fecker. For some reason he charged at Tadhg Furlong last november after Ireland scored a try against them.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:37 pm

The Oracle wrote:I think they need to look at what led Moriarty to react. It was a two handed kinda-punch in the face on Moriaty as he was on the floor by Sanchez. Might be one for the citing commissioner.

I impressed with Ross. He could’ve knocked Sanchez into next week, but just subdued him. He got the red he deserved, and will get banned, but less with the mitigation of the cheapshot off the ball and the slap to the chops on the deck.
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Post by Brendan on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:38 pm

Silly from Moriarty. He swings, Argie player goes for a punch/grab. Moriarty then grabs him around the neck and lifts him up and looks like he is choking him rather than just holding him.

AR tells him to stop. Medic could say he was choking him and was trying to stop it. Something happened to kick it off but stupid by Moriarty. Once he ignores the AR a few times he had to go.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:47 pm

Yeah, it was a bit wierd looking from Moriarty too! Like some sort of alleyway strangler! Thought he was going to bite his neck like a vampire at one point!
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Post by Brendan on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 10:55 pm

He will get a few weeks and not be allowed to play on his holidays

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:00 pm

Will it not carry over into next season? I.e. the next time he plays? If so, Dragons will be a bit p*ssed.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:00 pm

Definitely not what you want to see on the pitch. But given how his dad was, it’s definitely an improvement.
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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:02 pm

The Oracle wrote:Will it not carry over into next season? I.e. the next time he plays? If so, Dragons will be a bit p*ssed.

I’m guessing it’ll be a few months, seeing as he picked up a ban for nasty stuff in the under twenties. So regardless of when it starts I’d assume he’s going to miss the start of next season.
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Re: Wales Summer Tour

Post by exile jack on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:38 pm

No complaints from me but better teams than Argentina will take advantage of Wales' kicking game and their choice of keeping the ball in play instead of finding touch.Thought the Amos try was AB standard but not convinced on Amos at 15 and Anscombe at 9.Would like to see Patchell throw less 'floaters' and Ellis J stop giving away multiple consecutive penalties.Peyper very tolerant of chopsing by various Welsh players.Had no choice with Moriarty's red mist moment but failed dismally to yellow card Sanchez and red card the Medic and Kremer.

As the Pumas haven't beaten a Tier 1 country for ages we'll have to see how Scotland get on with the Pumas next week and how Wales get on in the Autumn with full strength Aus and SA sides before I go all Martyn Williams in his praise of the Wales team and its selectors.He doesn't have to pay for his tickets after all.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 16 Jun 2018, 11:51 pm

Another one of many occasions where we’ve been let down by ref’s and TMOs this year. How the Argie players and their medic didn’t get sanctioned I don’t know. Yet another crap ref from the SH.

Argentina’s skills have looked particularly poor over this series. They were put under pressure and beaten up by mostly young guys with little experience. They haven’t been good since losing their vintage from 2007. Gatland was right about them probably feeling embarrassed by that, and the embarrassment must be ten fold this weekend. Only way is up for Wales. We have fresh players and some momentum. Good signs for the future but the real tests are coming in the autumn.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 7:13 am

Yes Wales should definitely have just tapped the pen and kicked it out. Then this mess wouldn't have happened and they also scored a try too. A fourth try wouldn't have made any more of a statement, so it was daft.

Can't see Moriarty getting banned into next season. He was stupid, but then there could've been two yellows for the Argentinians involved. I'm not sure how you can sanction the medic during the game. Moriarty also didn't really choke the guy, or I think Sanchez would've been in a lot more stress than he was.

Some lovely tries though and winning three games on tour has way exceeded my expectations. I get that we didn't play SA at full strength and Argentina were poor, but a lot of Argentina's poorness was down to our defence I think.

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 8:14 am

Well done Wales. I can see some of your expirenced lads who stayed at home for this tour getting a bit nervous now.

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Post by Dontheman2 on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 10:11 pm

If this is the only pro team in Argentina and the Pumas have to be home based, who do they play?

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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 10:46 pm

Old Ross has form. Should be banned for a year for that disgraceful behaviour
https://youtu.be/NAyA53Lk7Ik

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 4:09 am

A year Very Happy. Don't be so wet.

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Re: Wales Summer Tour

Post by The Oracle on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 9:00 am

Don't worry about Geen, he's the Irish Cyril. O'Cyril. Just out for nibbles.
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Post by SecretFly on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 9:41 am

Dontheman2 wrote:If this is the only pro team in Argentina and the Pumas have to be home based, who do they play?

In front of a mirror?

Why do you ask such difficult questions? Stop being obtuse this instant!

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Post by SecretFly on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 9:43 am

The Oracle wrote:Don't worry about Geen, he's the Irish Cyril.  O'Cyril.  Just out for nibbles.

Geen is as smart as a sack of snakes...and more dangerous.

Which of course leaves the question 'How the hell did they get themselves trapped in a sack?'

I'll work on that. But don't expect any quick answers.

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Post by munkian on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:06 am

The faux outrage on twitter is fantastic - lifetimes bans are being called for, even had Cardiff fans claiming Moriarty bit him Rolling Eyes

I guess after 80 mins he was technically a Dragon again so their piss boiled over.
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Post by TightHEAD on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:11 am

Geen sport voor watjes wrote:Old Ross has form. Should be banned for a year for that disgraceful behaviour
https://youtu.be/NAyA53Lk7Ik

He looks pretty in White.
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Post by The Oracle on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:12 am

SecretFly wrote:
The Oracle wrote:Don't worry about Geen, he's the Irish Cyril.  O'Cyril.  Just out for nibbles.

Geen is as smart as a sack of snakes...and more dangerous.

Which of course leaves the question 'How the hell did they get themselves trapped in a sack?'

I'll work on that.  But don't expect any quick answers.


Female snakes. To lure them in. Impossible to resist the temptation, no matter how smart, such are the wicked and devious ways of the female form.
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Post by No9 on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 2:32 pm

Geen sport voor watjes wrote:Old Ross has form. Should be banned for a year for that disgraceful behaviour
https://youtu.be/NAyA53Lk7Ik

The only thing wrong with Ross's technique there is he is wearing white furious .

Should not have been a Red, not even worth a penalty. You can clearly see the Irish player twisting and performing a pirouette with the intention of getting a Red card for Ross.. Whistle .....Run

...tbh, his father and uncle (especially Uncle) performed worst tackles than that EVERY game Erm

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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 3:20 pm

Back to the rugby.

Sam Warburton, Dan Biggar and co. are going to find it hard to get their places back now. Ellis Jenkins, James Davies, Cory Hill, Rhys Patchell, Owen Watkin to name a few all looked excellent on this tour.

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Post by Dontheman2 on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 2:11 pm

Come on LD it was great the boys did well but let’s face it the Argies were poor. And the Boks a second string. Don’t think Warbs and Biggar etc are quaking in their boots. They know the score.

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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 2:53 pm

I reckon Warbs would struggle to get back into the Blues side. Also, with Biggar jumping ship, he might not be 1st choice anymore.

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Post by munkian on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 4:02 pm

Dontheman2 wrote:Come on LD it was great the boys did well but let’s face it the Argies were poor. And the Boks a second string. Don’t think Warbs and Biggar etc are quaking in their boots. They know the score.

Rubbish.

The Welsh side that faced SA was 2nd/3rd string itself as was the side that won convincingly away to Argentina.

Patchell is my Welsh 10 atm and I don't see the Saints igniting any attacking flair in Biggar.

Our backrow strength is mental considering the size of our player pool - Warbs will struggle to be starting 7 at Cardiff let alone in the national team.
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Post by LordDowlais on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 4:27 pm

Also, to say the Argies were poor is a massive disservice the the players on tour. They can only play what is infront of them, and those players showed up well in the S14. The boys on tour have done themselves proud. To say anything else is a distinct lack of respect.

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 4:52 pm

We will see how weak Argentina are on Saturday. The Scots, who lost to the USA, are playing them. If Scotland win the yes they are poor, if not then maybe there should be praise heaped on our lads.
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Post by The Oracle on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 6:47 pm

When you consider the players not taken due to resting or injury, I’m very happy with the way we performed (feel free to add or fill in the gaps). These are or have been first choice in the very recent past:

1.
2. Ken Owens
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4. Alun Wyn Jones
5. Jake Ball
6. Aaron Shingler
7. Sam Warburton/Justin Tipuric
8. Toby Faletau
9. Rhys Webb
10. Dan Biggar
11. Liam Williams
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13. JD2
14. Steff Evans (ok, he went on tour but lasted a few minutes only)
15. Leigh Halfpenny

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Post by ScarletSpiderman on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 7:46 pm

3 Samson Lee (didn’t feature)

And just for the Fail type audiences
1 Gethin Jenkins
12 Jamie Roberts / Gavin Henson
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Post by The Oracle on Wed 20 Jun 2018, 7:49 pm

ScarletSpiderman wrote:3 Samson Lee (didn’t feature)

And just for the Fail type audiences
1 Gethin Jenkins
12 Jamie Roberts / Gavin Henson

Laugh

Ah yes, they’re convinced those boys will be back to their best. Any time soon!
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