England Summer Tour - Part 2

by **LondonTiger** Tue 29 May 2018, 9:10 am

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Fixtures

9 June - 16:05: South Africa 42 - England 39

16 June - 16:05: South Africa v England - Toyota Stadium, Bloemfontein SkySports action
23 June - 16:05: South Africa v England - DHL Newlands, Cape Town SkySports action

Officials

1st Test
Referee: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

2nd Test
Referee: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 1: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant 2: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

3rd Test
Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Ben O'Keeffe (New Zelaand)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

Squads

England

Full backs
Mike Brown (Harlequins)
Elliot Daly (Wasps)
Nathan Earle (Saracens) *
Jonny May (Leicester Tigers)
Denny Solomona (Sale Sharks)

Inside backs
Danny Cipriani (Wasps)
Owen Farrell (Saracens)
George Ford (Leicester Tigers)
Alex Lozowski (Saracens)
Cameron Redpath (Sale Sharks) * Piers Francis
Dan Robson (Wasps) *
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Ben Spencer (Saracens) *
~~Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors)~~ Jason Woodward
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)

Back five
Tom Curry (Sale Sharks)
Ben Earl (Saracens) *
Jonny Hill (Exeter Chiefs) *
Nick Isiekwe (Saracens)
Maro Itoje (Saracens)
Joe Launchbury (Wasps)
Chris Robshaw (Harlequins)
Brad Shields (Hurricanes/ Wasps) *
Sam Simmonds (Exeter Chiefs)
Billy Vunipola (Saracens)
Jack Willis (Wasps) * Nathan Hughes
Mark Wilson (Newcastle)

Front row
Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs)
Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers)
Jamie George (Saracens)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins)
Mako Vunipola (Saracens)
Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs)

South Africa

Forwards (24):
Nizaam Carr (loose forward, DHL Stormers, 5, 0)
Bismarck du Plessis (hooker, Montpellier, France, 79, 55 - 11t)
Dan du Preez (loose forward, Cell C Sharks, 3, 0)
Jean-Luc du Preez (loose forward, Cell C Sharks, 10, 10 - 2t)
Pieter-Steph du Toit (lock, DHL Stormers, 32, 20 - 4t)
Thomas du Toit (prop, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Jason Jenkins (lock, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Steven Kitshoff (prop, DHL Stormers, 23, 5 - 1t)
Siya Kolisi (loose forward, DHL Stormers, 28, 20 - 4t)
Wilco Louw (prop, DHL Stormers, 5, 0)
Frans Malherbe (prop, DHL Stormers, 17, 0)
Bongi Mbonambi (hooker, DHL Stormers, 14, 5 - 1t)
Oupa Mohojé (loose forward, Toyota Cheetahs 18, 0)
Franco Mostert (lock, Emirates Lions, 18, 5 - 1t)
Tendai Mtawarira (prop, Cell C Sharks, 98, 10 - 2t)
Ox Nche (prop, Toyota Cheetahs, uncapped)
Sikhumbuzo Notshe (loose forward, DHL Stormers, uncapped)
Trevor Nyakane (prop, Vodacom Bulls, 37, 5 - 1t)
Marvin Orie (lock, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
Chiliboy Ralepelle (hooker, Cell C Sharks 23, 5 - 1t)
Kwagga Smith (loose forward, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
RG Snyman (lock, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Akker van der Merwe (hooker, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Duane Vermeulen (loose forward, Toulon, France, 39, 10 - 2t)

Backs (19):
Lukhanyo Am (centre, Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
Curwin Bosch (utility back Cell C Sharks, 1, 0)
Damian de Allende (centre, DHL Stormers, 28, 15 - 3t)
Faf de Klerk (scrumhalf, Sale Sharks, England, 11, 0)
Robert du Preez (flyhalf, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Aphiwe Dyantyi (wing, Emirates Lions, uncapped)
André Esterhuizen (centre, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Warrick Gelant (fullback, Vodacom Bulls, 2, 5 - 1t)
Travis Ismaiel (wing, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Elton Jantjies (flyhalf, Emirates Lions, 23, 203 - 2t, 38c, 39p)
Jesse Kriel (centre, Vodacom Bulls, 29, 40 - 8t)
Willie le Roux (fullback, Wasps, England, 41, 50 - 10t)
Makazole Mapimpi (wing, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Sibusiso Nkosi (wing, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)
Embrose Papier (scrumhalf, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Handré Pollard (flyhalf, Vodacom Bulls, 26, 218 - 3t, 37c, 40p, 3d)
Frans Steyn (utility back, Montpellier, France, 56, 132 - 10t, 5c, 21p, 3d)
Ivan van Zyl (scrumhalf, Vodacom Bulls, uncapped)
Cameron Wright (scrumhalf, Cell C Sharks, uncapped)[/b]

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:45 pm

eirebilly wrote:Farrell needs to calm the boys down or there will be a Yellow card...

Sadly, he's more the type to lead the lads in the initial charge, not calm everything down.

by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:45 pm

England are certainly losing their nut. Need to calm down and play.

by alfie Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:47 pm

eirebilly wrote:Itoje with a very sneaky kick to De Klerk and Mako Vunipola taking a swipe at a player on the ground. Farrell needs to calm the boys down or there will be a Yellow card...

Certainly will. Ref being very patient so far...

England need to settle down to playing rugby....which they were doing pretty well early on.

by eirebilly Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:48 pm

Duty281 wrote:
eirebilly wrote:Farrell needs to calm the boys down or there will be a Yellow card...

Sadly, he's more the type to lead the lads in the initial charge, not calm everything down.

Sadly, that is very true.

by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:55 pm

A quick start and now behind again? This group is certainly missing something.....

by alfie Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:58 pm

So much for that early lead ...

Could have been worse there at the end. Mike Brown gets a lot of flak on here sometimes but that was a vital tackle clap

by eirebilly Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:59 pm

England need to stick to their rugby and not get drawn into niggly exchanges. SA are a great team at getting under oppositions skins and disrupting them.

Proper on field leadership is required out there for England.

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 4:59 pm

Probably a deserved lead for South Africa.

Poor decision by England to not take the 3 points, instead gambling for a try, when already 2 points up. Tight test match, you need every point you can get.

Replacements will be key. England need to keep the ball in hand more, as South Africa look extremely dangerous on the counter.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:01 pm

I'm not sure it was that poor an option for the mine out tbh. We do need to spend some more time down in sa territory. Poor pass did for us but you have to back yourselves sometimes. Too much time in our own 22 may lead to a yellow.

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:03 pm

Piss poor from England again!

Sorry Owen but you take the points at this level.

No Leadership is our biggest problem, imagine that team with a young Martin Johnson in there or lawrence dallaglio

by Sgt_Pooly Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:04 pm

Same stupid penalties although we're playing well when we have the ball. SA have little else besides power although it's quite effective.

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:05 pm

Not sure why the ref allowed SA to dive all over the ball at the end there to kill it so that England couldn't play the knock-on advantage ...

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:06 pm

We are our own worst enemy.

Silly silly stupid penalties.

If I was Eddie Jones I’d make it known the next silly penalty given away that leads to a score that player is toast.

If it’s Maro or Farrell then so be it.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:11 pm

Yes imagine a dalliglio going for the corner!

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:13 pm

Though that was poor from youngs

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:18 pm

Beast was great today on 100 caps. Big achievement.

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:24 pm

Young’s is always poor

by alfie Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:25 pm

Penalty try SA ...you could see that coming.

Despite the fast start this is looking depressingly like another England loss. Pressure growing on Eddie...

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:25 pm

PT when both front rows are stood up?

by eirebilly Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:26 pm

Think that was a harsh Penalty Try...

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:26 pm

Could be a pummelling here, unless England sort themselves out. Too many errors. Not boxing clever.

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:26 pm

Sorry Eddie buts it’s bye bye for me, thanks for the two 6nations titles

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:27 pm

eirebilly wrote:Think that was a harsh Penalty Try...

Yep - both front rows up ... possibly a pen or reset ...

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:29 pm

Does Hughes ever make any ground?

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:29 pm

Great kick from Ford!!!!! Fecks sake

by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:30 pm

As much as I have doubts, it's time to bring on Cipriani. England need a radical change and the only thing close to it is Danny boy. We need that bit of unpredictability.

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:32 pm

Ford is shocking, what does he offer?

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:32 pm

Surely the ball has been knocked out of Shields' hands illegally?

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:32 pm

Someone with a better knowledge that me please. Was that played from a guy on the floor?

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:33 pm

That’s good

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:33 pm

Yep - off feet can't play the ball - surely a PT?

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:33 pm

Or not

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:33 pm

Yup. Should be a penalty try and a yellow surely?

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:34 pm

Chance gone. Again, England should have been banking the points, like Ireland earlier, and getting within range, not playing 7s rugby.

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:34 pm

Why isn't Farrell asking that question. Frustrating that so many player and rfs don't know the laws.

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:34 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Yup. Should be a penalty try and a yellow surely?

AFAIK yes ...

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:37 pm

GET FORD OFF FFFFFFFS

by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:39 pm

TightHEAD wrote:GET FORD OFF FFFFFFFS

Cippy time. For real (did I actually s ay that? Feck me. Well, it is time).

by alfie Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:41 pm

Duty281 wrote:Chance gone. Again, England should have been banking the points, like Ireland earlier, and getting within range, not playing 7s rugby.

Times I'd agree. But eight points down and they're not going make that up with penalties Probably should have had the try anyway...

by Heaf Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

So I see we've abandoned the rolling away from the tackle law now too ...

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

Ford has to go.

Fecking useless

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

England got two tries in the opening 13 minutes. Now they need two in the last 13.

It's time for Cips...

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

Yeah it's time to throw cips on. I'd have had him on earlier. I'm not normally critical of ref weirs but when it is clearly an error in knowledge of the law I am. It's really really poor from the team today.

by alfie Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:44 pm

Agh. Eleven points down now.

Hope Cipriani is bringing a miracle on with him Smile

by No9 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:45 pm

Missed most of this game today (family commitments, being fathers day tomorrow)...

But the last 10 mins I've seen (from 55mins play time) it looks like the Boks maybe coming back to form in the run up to next year.

England... need some radical changes to personnel.. (probably at coaching level too!!!)

Still time to go, but England winning/stealing this game now will only paper over cracks in the Team England, which wont help you going into next year... So from a Welsh viewpoint.. C'MON ENGLAND.. WIN!!!

by TightHEAD Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:45 pm

RFU need to bring Ashton home

by No 7&1/2 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:45 pm

Exposes a lack of knowledge from the commentary team as well.

by eirebilly Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:45 pm

This is a massive shame for England. They have gotten into great positions to only allow South Africa to drag them into playing poor, error strewn rugby. Lacking a mature on field leader to control situations.

by doctor_grey Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:46 pm

And just to add one more point, when did Brown forget how to catch a kick? One of the things he usually brought to a match is the ability to catch a kick in traffic. It seems he is becoming more of a basketball net....

by Duty281 Sat 16 Jun 2018, 5:47 pm

So that gets punished with a yellow card, but the one on Shields doesn't?!

That is a complete fecking joke, and very tough on England.

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