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Post by Hazel Sapling on Mon 04 Jun 2018, 11:19 am

First topic message reminder :

Edinburgh Squad

LH's: Marfo, Dell, Sutherland, Schoeman, Dickinson
Hookers: McInally, Ford, Fenton, Cherry
TH's: Nel, Berghan, McCallum, Ceccarelli
Second Row: Gilchrist, Toolis, McKenzie, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill
Back Row: Barclay, Hamilton, Crosbie; Watson, Ritchie; Bradbury, Mata, Miller, Nayalo

SH's: Pyrgos, Fowles, Kennedy, Shiel
FH's: Hickey, VDW, McLelland, Baggott
Centres: Scott, Socino, Bennett, Dean, Johnstone, G Taylor
Back 3: Fife, VDM, Hoyland, Brown, Graham; Kinghorn

Forward Total: 27
- Internationals: 17 (15 Scots, 1 Italian, 1 Fijian)
- NSQ: 4 (1 of whom is a project)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 7 (2 capped)
Backs Total: 20
- Internationals: 8 (Socino lone non-Scot)
- NSQ: 4 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 10 (2 capped)

Total: 47

Glasgow Squad

LH's: Bhatti, Allan, Kebble
Hookers: Brown, Turner, Stewart, Malcolm, Bryce
TH's: Fagerson, Nuka, Rae, Nicol
Second Row: Gray, Swinson, Cummings, McDonald, Brian, Peterson
Back-Row: M Fagerson, Harley, Wynne; Gibbins, Smith, Fusaro; Wilson, Ashe, Tameilau, Flockhart

SH's: Price, G Horne,Frisby, Mata, Baletto
FH's: Horne, Hastings, Jackson
Centres: Dunbar, H Jones, Johnson, Dunbar, Grigg, P Kelly
Back 3: Seymour, VDM, L Jones, Masaga, Tagive, Hughes, Beattie, Nairn; Hogg, Thomson

Forward Total: 28
- Internationals: 15 (12 Scots, 2 Americans, 1 Tongan)
- NSQ: 6 (2 projects)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 12 (4 capped, both projects)
Backs Total: 24
- Internationals: 14 (10 Scots, 1 Fijian, 1 Kiwi, 1 Canadian, 1 Aussie)
- NSQ: 4 (No projects if Thomson is already tied to SA)
- Under 25 (as of September 1st, 2018): 8 (1 capped)

Total: 52

Overall: 99 players
- Internationals: 54 (44 Scots)
- NSQ: 19 (5 projects)
- Under 25: 37 (9 capped)


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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:06 pm

Edinburgh & Hamish Waton's instragram. I don't follow either but someone on twitter has shared the photos. If I had any idea how to get that to work here I would.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:06 pm


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Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:07 pm


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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:07 pm

Ignore my comment from two posts previously, I worked it out

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:08 pm

Yeah those strips are OK, if a little uninspiring! Not going to rush out to buy one anyway.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:09 pm

I think they're pretty good to be honest, but we've had some stinkers over the years, so it's a fairly low bar.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:11 pm

I didn't mind the logo previously but when you see it on the strip it just looks like a bit of an orange blob - you lose the detail of the 3 turrets.

As you say we've had some stinkers over the years so it's not too bad! I have actually quite like the strips lately though. My favourite is the one from a few years ago that was pretty much all black with a red collar.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 2:24 pm

Turns out it's the training kit


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Post by Eejit on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 3:33 pm

Mish with the pulled up socks and trainers look. Classy.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 8:43 pm

Just back from the season launch thing at Murrayfield. Bit of chat about the stadium, but nothing massive.

It's going to have seating for 5.8k with 2k terracing, all covered. No details given (as there were only so many questions allowed and some of them were really inane) but he hinted there is scope for expansion if and when it's needed.

Cockers is looking to get a 9 in, but only if they are better than what we currently have, no names of people he's looking at, but it's a work in progress.

Cockers talked about the challenge this season coming is to improve on where we finished last time out, and the champions cup is going to be a big step up (not exactly breaking news). He reckons we'll have a squad of around 45, but utilising the academy lads, where needed, so of actual first team players around 30. Quite small by comparison of some teams, but he made that call on having a better but smaller squad rather than a bigger but not quite as good.

The rest of the session was mostly old dears flirting with Barclay, Dean, Scott and to an extent Cockers, or old boys waffling on for 20 mins to ask a question.

I may be being a bit harsh, but really some of the questions were such as waste of time.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by George Carlin on Wed 13 Jun 2018, 8:52 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:looks like they have also, without any form of actual launch, shown their new strip for next season.

It looks good.

Kind of. Shame that P&P's logo is purple as it clashes quite nicely with the orange stripes.

What annoys me is this:


So that's supposed to be Scotland's most architecturally significant building, is it? Basically a standard grade student's art project.
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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by jimbopip on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 9:32 am

EWT Spoons wrote:Just back from the season launch thing at Murrayfield.  Bit of chat about the stadium, but nothing massive.


The rest of the session was mostly old dears flirting with Barclay, Dean, Scott and to an extent Cockers, or old boys waffling on for 20 mins to ask a question. So Schiz and Lady Schiz were there.

I may be being a bit harsh, but really some of the questions were such as waste of time. Tigertattie turned up too.

Rather harsh Mr Spoons. warning

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 9:57 am

jimbopip wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Just back from the season launch thing at Murrayfield.  Bit of chat about the stadium, but nothing massive.


The rest of the session was mostly old dears flirting with Barclay, Dean, Scott and to an extent Cockers, or old boys waffling on for 20 mins to ask a question. So Schiz and Lady Schiz were there.

I may be being a bit harsh, but really some of the questions were such as waste of time. Tigertattie turned up too.

Rather harsh Mr Spoons. warning

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by tigertattie on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 12:22 pm

EWT Spoons wrote:
jimbopip wrote:
EWT Spoons wrote:Just back from the season launch thing at Murrayfield.  Bit of chat about the stadium, but nothing massive.


The rest of the session was mostly old dears flirting with Barclay, Dean, Scott and to an extent Cockers, or old boys waffling on for 20 mins to ask a question. So Schiz and Lady Schiz were there.

I may be being a bit harsh, but really some of the questions were such as waste of time. Tigertattie turned up too.

Rather harsh Mr Spoons. warning

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by BigGee on Thu 14 Jun 2018, 7:59 pm

I see John Hardie was tweeting this evening from Edinburgh where he said that he had just had back surgery at Spire Murrayfield and was about to start rehab.

Kind of suggests that he is still on the SRU payroll.

Is he coming to Glasgow then, Edinburgh now seems unlikely with the Fijian on his way up north?

Maybe they are just doing him and Scotland a favour by getting him fit again so he can get back into the shop window.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Fri 15 Jun 2018, 12:19 pm

Suppose he could maybe claim it happened while on the SRU payroll (their contracts probably don't end on the very last day of the season).

Either way it won't help him try and find a new club if he's just had back surgery!

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by Hazel Sapling on Fri 15 Jun 2018, 12:37 pm

Barclay is hurt. Has Hardie been contrite enough to get back into Cockerill's good graces? One year deal to get to the end of his Scotland career before getting a 3 year deal in France.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by Welly on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 2:07 pm

Luke Hamilton to sign for Edinburgh

So Edinburgh will have a ridiculous pack depth next season.
1. Marfo, Dell, Dickinson, Sutherland, McCallum
2. Mcinally, Ford, Fenton, Cherry,
3. Berghan, Nel, Schoeman, Ceccarelli
4. Toolis, Carmichael,
5. Gilchrist, Mackenzie, Hunter-Hill
6. Barclay, Ritchie, Nayalo, Crosbie
7. Watson, Hamilton,
8. Mata, Bradbury, Miller,


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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 2:22 pm

Can't complain about that signing! We have got a lot of depth now and I feel for Crosbie who may find opportunities limited.

Glasgow fans will love this...

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by BigGee on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 2:35 pm

Maybe Hardie will go to Glasgow then!

Or maybe Bradbury, as was recently touted!

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Post by Welly on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 3:32 pm

What Bradbury for a 9 and Hamilton fills in the hole left by Bradbury?

Would be a hell of a call considering Cockers made him captain start of last season.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by BigGee on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 3:41 pm

Well Edinburgh do seem to have more backrow players than they need now, even allowing for Barclay being injured. They are all good quality as well and are not just going to be seen as squad fillers.

Coaches of the Scottish teams do have to be pragmatic sometimes and accept the will of the SRU who want to maximise their playing base.

Glasgow may have to many top class SHs and Edinburgh to many back rows. In many ways it does make sense. Hardie could go along for the ride as well.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by BigGee on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 4:17 pm

Statement from the Board and Council of the SRU in relation to the recent case of unfair dismissal against Finn Russell's father:

The Council and Board of Scottish Rugby wish to offer some comments in addition to the earlier statement issued on Saturday 9 June (given below).

We acknowledge the findings of the recent employment tribunal. Both Board and Council believe the terms and outcome of the judgement require further and important consideration.

On Friday 8 June the Chairman of the Board, Colin Grassie, instigated a full review to look into the sequence of events that led to the tribunal and matters in respect of the employment tribunal findings.

This is being led by Senior Independent Non-Exec Director, and former Solicitor General, Lesley Thomson QC and will be concluded as expediently as is practicable. For the purposes of the process Ms Thomson will take independent advice and will have available to her any resources as required.

Board and Council will work through any findings and recommendations which will be incorporated into our activities going forward.

Further to recent comments made in the media in respect of the culture and staff at Scottish Rugby: these are characterisations that we as a Council and Board simply do not recognise or accept.

Our staff work tirelessly to deliver for rugby in Scotland at all levels. The values of our sport underpin our actions and culture as an organisation. Council and Board share this commitment to these values also.

We are fortunate to enjoy excellent relationships with The Scottish Government, sportscotland and all our many sponsors and partners. These enduring relationships are fundamental in enabling our sport to be successful on and off the pitch in so many ways.

The Council, Board and Staff at Scottish Rugby are committed, and aligned, to continuing to build on our current strong foundations and developing our sport at all levels.

This is demonstrated by Council and Board’s continued commitment to Agenda 3 in respect of which further documentation will follow shortly. The opportunity to debate this fully will arise at the forthcoming AGM.

In conclusion we wish to place on record our full support for our executive and staff.

Statement of 9 June 2018: “Scottish Rugby acknowledges the outcome of the tribunal and, while there are some areas of the ruling it disagrees with, there will not be an appeal. We will now be reviewing the judgement in detail and working with Mr Russell to conclude the process.

Scottish Rugby stands by its decision to change the leadership of the domestic rugby department given the fundamental importance this area of the sport plays in all aspects of game in Scotland."


They are obviously not seeing this as a resignation matter!

It will be interesting to hear what the enquiry comes out with, though I would imagine it will focus on the lack of process rather than the culture at the SRU.

You have to feel that Dobo has to much credit in the bank at the moment for any of this to touch him personally. However they try and spin it though, it does not look great and the media have generally been pretty hard on them about it all already. They will no doubt keep it on file for future reference if anything else goes so badly wrong on his watch.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sun 17 Jun 2018, 4:43 pm

We'll they've certainly come out swinging, but if this review truly is independent there may be some harsh truths coming out of it!

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by tigertattie on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 11:38 am

Looks like we're dropping to 7th in the world rankings.

If we'd won against the US then England would have dropped to 7th which would have had us above them for the first time in living memory I think!

Rankings can be a bit hit or miss though given that they currently have Wales in 3rd!!!
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Post by BigGee on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 12:31 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44518523

Tom English interview with Dodson and Flockhart concerning the Keith Russell unfair dismissal.

It will be interesting to see what the report says and how much of it is genuinely published.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 12:38 pm

Tom English certainly doesn't hold back!

Some top politician answers there, especially when asked if they would apologise to Russell.

Shame he didn't ask him if this affected their desire to keep Finn, given that Keith claims he was never offered a deal and there was no discussion.

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Post by BigGee on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 12:53 pm

To be honest after the fall out from this, you are just glad that Finn is away. It is hard to see that it did not effect him in some way this year, when he has at times seemed strangely subdued.

It was good to see the joie de vivre back in him when he was playing for the BaaBaas and hopefully he will take it to France with him.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 12:55 pm

What amazed me was how much some people at the SRU get paid - press reports say Keith was on £90k. To be head of domestic rugby!!

That's a huge salary - you'd have to be a very senior manager in my line of work to get that kind of salary.

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Post by George Carlin on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 12:59 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:What amazed me was how much some people at the SRU get paid - press reports say Keith was on £90k. To be head of domestic rugby!!

That's a huge salary - you'd have to be a very senior manager in my line of work to get that kind of salary.
That's how much FES and Bru each annually spend on electrified fencing for their townhouse and cocaine respectively.
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Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 1:05 pm

George Carlin wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:What amazed me was how much some people at the SRU get paid - press reports say Keith was on £90k. To be head of domestic rugby!!

That's a huge salary - you'd have to be a very senior manager in my line of work to get that kind of salary.
That's how much FES and Bru each annually spend on electrified fencing for their townhouse and cocaine respectively.
I take it that's what a part time cleaner earns in Dubai?

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Post by BigGee on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 1:37 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:What amazed me was how much some people at the SRU get paid - press reports say Keith was on £90k. To be head of domestic rugby!!

That's a huge salary - you'd have to be a very senior manager in my line of work to get that kind of salary.

Not much in the way of job security though!

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Post by Tramptastic on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 1:53 pm

With regards to the Keith Russell vs Mark Dodson Royale Rumble it's an odd one as it's hard to ignore the turnaround of Scottish Rugby since Dodson was brought on board - increased investment, establishment of acadamies etc now starting to pay off with consistent performances (see Edinburgh Consistently manshaming Glasgow [6 wins to 2! chortle!], Glasgow consistently making the league playoffs etc).

What is interesting to note is Dodson has regularly ruffled the old blazers/bufties/club committees that had previously run the SRU (into the ground it should be noted).

As Russell is seen as a voice for the club scene, is this whole argument an anthropomorphic personification of the inner struggle for scottish rugby's soul?

Yes. Our national pessismism leading to a belief that "we're doomed" has caused the SRU to consume itself in a fiery blaze that will engulf the nation as a whole. The end times are near - watch as the Tories come to power led by a strident Ruth Davidson who will rule the country from within a pub loudly declaring "I'M NORMAL, I'M ONE OF YOU, WATCH ME DOWN A PINT". Unfortunately we will all be duped and believe this sham voting her queen of New England for the next 1000 years.

Irn Bru will remove all it's sugar. Voluntarily.

The erskine bridge will collapse but no-one will be around to see it. What a shame.

Aberdeen will see a resurgence as a world leader in hydrogen production only to go up in flames as local MP "Tory-not-a-clue-Thomson" combusts from friction burns over the ghost of Thatcher whilst opening a new Food bank, stationed next to the hydrogen production facility.

It will all end when Jacob Reese Mogg promises salvation to the people of Scotland and subsequently reads out passages from the book of the dead during the ad breaks on still game.

All because the grass roots game in Scotland doesn't want to modernise.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 2:22 pm

Tramptastic that's a post Jimbo would be proud of - I've no idea what you are talking about for half of it but it is a great read!

It is a difficult one as Dodson has brought in more positive change in recent years than the entire history of professional rugby in Scotland, but this is such a serious issue that it can't be ignored. I suspect the real truth is somewhere in the middle of both versions of events, and hopefully this review is transparent enough to lead to positive change.

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Post by BigGee on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 2:49 pm

What is interesting is that everyone, myself included, seem naturally to be taking Russel's side in the dispute. He is Finn's dad after all, so must be one of the good guys.

I end up doing a lot of conflict resolution in my job and one thing I have learnt in spades, is that there is always two sides to a story and we don't seem to have heard Dodson's version of why he and KR had their falling out.

Now clearly the SRU did not follow due process in dismissing him and have been badly caught out here. The reality is that a lot of business don't, they rely on making settlements as neither party wishes to wash its dirty linen in public, as has happened here. Most individuals will take the money and walk away and it seems clear that the SRU thought that KR would do that as well.

We have not really got to the rub though of exactly what the conflict was, which you must imagine was serous for it to have resulted in him being sacked.

It would be good if that came out in the report, though I am not sure that it will.

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Post by Tramptastic on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 3:07 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Tramptastic that's a post Jimbo would be proud of - I've no idea what you are talking about for half of it but it is a great read!

It is a difficult one as Dodson has brought in more positive change in recent years than the entire history of professional rugby in Scotland, but this is such a serious issue that it can't be ignored. I suspect the real truth is somewhere in the middle of both versions of events, and hopefully this review is transparent enough to lead to positive change.

The End of Days! Repent!

In all seriousness though, Scottish rugby has never been in a better place than it is currently and Mark Dodson has pushed professionalism through fairly aggresively.

As BigGee has pointed out though we haven't had a coherent version of Dodson's story. Perhaps there's more to this story than meets the eye!

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 3:09 pm

Tramptastic wrote:
RDW_Scotland wrote:Tramptastic that's a post Jimbo would be proud of - I've no idea what you are talking about for half of it but it is a great read!

It is a difficult one as Dodson has brought in more positive change in recent years than the entire history of professional rugby in Scotland, but this is such a serious issue that it can't be ignored. I suspect the real truth is somewhere in the middle of both versions of events, and hopefully this review is transparent enough to lead to positive change.

The End of Days! Repent!

In all seriousness though, Scottish rugby has never been in a better place than it is currently and Mark Dodson has pushed professionalism through fairly aggresively.

As BigGee has pointed out though we haven't had a coherent version of Dodson's story. Perhaps there's more to this story than meets the eye!

If he wasn't able to do this for an employment tribunal (which was one of the conclusions) I can't imagine we'll get one now!

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by Hazel Sapling on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 3:50 pm

It is a strange one. Dodson and the SRU board have generally come over as being far more professionalised in recent years. There is a head strong streak to try and experiment (e.g. Super Six, Myreside, Scotstoun, London Scots, private investment).

Whether KR was truly as victimised as he claimed we will never know and if he stood in the way of club reorganisation going into the Super Six, I am guessing they would look for a way to get rid of him.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by LondonTiger on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 4:48 pm

BigGee wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44518523

Tom English interview with Dodson and Flockhart concerning the Keith Russell unfair dismissal.

It will be interesting to see what the report says and how much of it is genuinely published.

That Q&A was rather alarming to read. In large part as I feel the same attitudes pervade the RFU.

The start read like something out of Yes Minister:

TE: Do you accept the tribunal's verdict that you unfairly dismissed Keith Russell?

MD: Yes, we do.

TE: Do you owe Keith Russell an apology?

MD: I'm sorry that we arrived at this regrettable situation and we'll learn any lessons that the review recommends.

TE: Are you going to apologise to him?

RF: I think a lot has to do with what will come out of the review.

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Post by tigertattie on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 5:30 pm

Are we really going to do this?

Really?

We're going to have a discussion on grass roots rugby at club level in Scotland?

Ok but be warned!

The SRU is no longer set up to be the governing body of local rugby clubs. The SRU is a business and it's ultimate role is to get a Scotland nation team out and performing while not operating at a loss.

Now, the success of the clubs and the national team are not necessarily exclusive but these days they are getting further and further apart. Clubs are there to get kids into rugby and bring them on through the ages until such time as they are ready to move onto bigger and better things. Look at Carmichael, a lad from North Berwick who rose from the youth game to the national team. However, once you get to 18/19/20 and you are not in the SRU set up or playing for one of the big clubs, you are basically of no use to the SRU nor is the SRU any use to you.

Whats the biggest issue? Clubs and the SRU are at odds with each other! What I mean is clubs are basically social hubs for boys to have a laugh and then get bevvied after a game and the crowds go along to either watch their family members play or the crowds are ex players or members who are there for nostalgic/social reasons (such as also getting bevvied after a game). Meanwhile the SRU are looking for players to go professional. While clubs are proud when their players make the step up, it ultimately hurts them as their best players leave them leaving them struggling to fill a gap.

The SRU basically take the clubs best players away from them once they reach 1st XV age (if not sooner)

How you can remedy this is someone elses guess!
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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Mon 18 Jun 2018, 7:56 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
BigGee wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/44518523

Tom English interview with Dodson and Flockhart concerning the Keith Russell unfair dismissal.

It will be interesting to see what the report says and how much of it is genuinely published.

That Q&A was rather alarming to read. In large part as I feel the same attitudes pervade the RFU.

The start read like something out of Yes Minister:

TE: Do you accept the tribunal's verdict that you unfairly dismissed Keith Russell?

MD: Yes, we do.

TE: Do you owe Keith Russell an apology?

MD: I'm sorry that we arrived at this regrettable situation and we'll learn any lessons that the review recommends.

TE: Are you going to apologise to him?

RF: I think a lot has to do with what will come out of the review.

Its fairly clear that the SRU don't give the slightest toss that they've flouted employment law, which I agree is definitely alarming. For all that we've heard much more from one side than the other, the verdict from the tribunal revealed a lot of glaring procedural errors which will be difficult to dispute. Though their internal non-independent review may well try.

This whole situation is so disappointing because the SRU have done so much right. But that doesn't buy you the right to mistreat your staff and opt to bypass the rules that are there for their protection

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by Welly on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 10:56 am

Hamilton confirmed signed for Edinburgh on a 1 year deal.
Makes more sense now.

In Scotland for World cup period covers Barclays injury, then will most likely go to France.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 10:58 am

Luke Hamilton signs a 1 year deal for Edinburgh. Great news given Barclay's injury, and should keep him in the frame to prove his worth for the world cup.

Should mean he can look for a more long-term deal after the WC, and that might not be within the SRU.

A back row of

6 Bradbury
7 Watson
8 Mata

With Hamilton/Ritchie covering from the bench is pretty good!

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Post by Welly on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 11:06 am

Wouldn't be surprised if this was also done with giving Watson more rest as well with the WC coming up I would imagine he's a pretty important piece for Scotland.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by Hazel Sapling on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 11:26 am

Makes sense in the end. Welly's point is fair and France for Hamilton after would be ideal.

Glasgow have more back-row options that will be less hit by 6 nations call-ups (probably only Wilson has more than 50% chance). Edinburgh have a huge amount of quality. Who does Hardie spend a year with? Surely he is too good to send off to London Scots. Would Bristol come in for him?


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Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 11:32 am

No surprise to see Glasgow fans kicking off about this on social media - "another signing being paid for by Glasgow fans" being my personal favourite! Quite.

Glasgow need to announce some good news soon or they could face a riot!

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 11:44 am

RDW_Scotland wrote:No surprise to see Glasgow fans kicking off about this on social media - "another signing being paid for by Glasgow fans" being my personal favourite! Quite.

Glasgow need to announce some good news soon or they could face a riot!

To the point I made the other day about Glasgow not actually losing many players so can't sign that many, someone has done some actual analysis on this, showing that basically Glasgow have been signing players over the last couple of years to get to where they are now, and new signings are unlikely.

https://topofthemoongw.wordpress.com/2018/06/18/glasgow-warriors-depth-chart-2018-19-top-30-as-it-stands/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Not written by me, just to be clear.

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by des on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 12:03 pm

Lets not forget that Glasgow also benefited from the SRU windfall when Edinburgh had the Heineken Cup run?

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by EWT Spoons on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 12:04 pm

The signing of Hamilton on a 1 year deal, seems to be just to cover for Barcs and get Hamilton in the shop window for another club to come in and sign him on a longer deal.

As long as this doesn't result in the like of Magnus etc leaving then fair enough, and based on the comment from Cockers it seems unlikely they are going anywhere:

Cockers wrote:“He can play across the back-row and his dynamism adds another dimension to our attack. We’re looking forward to seeing how he develops in an international quality unit alongside the likes of Luke Crosbie, Bill Mata, Hamish Watson, Jamie Ritchie and Magnus Bradbury.”

I realise he can't list every player in the backrow, and has clearly left Barclay out due to injury, but no mention of Miller.  Given he's not had a look in, I wonder if he'll be let go when his contract is up, or if he is miles away from being ready to step up

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Re: 20th Gathering of Edinburgh and Glasgow Discussion

Post by RDW_Scotland on Tue 19 Jun 2018, 12:05 pm

des wrote:Lets not forget that Glasgow also benefited from the SRU windfall when Edinburgh had the Heineken Cup run?  

And both times we progressed to the latter stages of the Challenge Cup, which included a final - the earnings were shared. Add those to our HK semi run and we've probably contributed way more to Glasgow than they have to us given they've only made the next round of Champions Cup once!

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