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Ireland RWC Likely Squad

Post by wolfball on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 1:31 pm

So, with the year done, we have learned alot about the expected squad. Pre 6 nations, there were major questions around backup 2, 3, 7, 9, 10 and 15. I believe now we are in a strong position with all except 9 and 10. If we bring the same 17/14 RWC squad split as 2015, this is the squad we will bring. Players in brackets are those who will step in, in the case of injury. November except for the NZ game has to be entirely about playing a full strenght team while testing Cooney, Carbery and Byrne. We could also do with one other outside back being further tested.

TH (2+1 can play both sides)
World class - Furlong
International class - Ryan, Porter
Assessment - We are now well covered at TH, Porter can cover both sides

Hooker (3)
International class - Best, Cronin, Scannell, (Herring)
Assessment - We are now well covered at Hooker

LH (2)
International class - McGrath, Healy (Moore/Kilcoyne)
Assessment - We are now well covered at LH

Lock (4, including backrow cover)
International class - Ryan, Henderson, Toner (Dillane/Roux)
Exciting prospect - Beirne
Assessment - We are now well covered at Lock

Flankers (4, including 8 cover)
World class - POM
International class - Leavy, SOB, Murphy (VDF, Ruddock, Conan, TOD)
Assessment - Besides POM and Leavy, it all depends on injuries and form, Murphy's flexability might win it for him

No. 8 (1)
International class - Stander
Assessment - Very strong, with multiple flankers also able to play there

Scrumhalf (2+1 can play OH)
World class - Murray
International class - Marmion, Cooney (McGrath)
Assessment - big drop off after Murray. Cooney needs gametime most of any irish squad player

Flyhalf (2)
World class - Sexton
International Class - Carberry (Byrne)
Assessment - Sexton staying fit is essential to winning, the drop off after that is huge.

Centers (4)
International class - Ringrose, Henshaw, Aki, Farrell (Scannell/McCloskey)
Assessment - RWC players pick themselves, drop off after that

Wings (3)
International class - Stockdale, Earls, Conway (McFadden, Byrne, Sweetnam)
Assessment - RWC players pick themselves, drop off after that

Fullback (1+1 can play wing)
International class - Kearney, Larmour (Zebo, TOH)
Assessment - We are now well covered at 15

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Post by The Great Aukster on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 3:16 pm

There needs to be three LHs, three hookers and three THs. Porter might have played LH in his past but isn't playing there now.
http://www.the42.ie/tom-court-scrum-2318191-Sep2015/

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Post by wolfball on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 4:39 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:There needs to be three LHs, three hookers and three THs. Porter might have played LH in his past but isn't playing there now.
http://www.the42.ie/tom-court-scrum-2318191-Sep2015/

Its an interesting article, but if you look at the RWC squads, of the tier 1 nations, 3 brought 6 props (Scotland/NZ/Italy, the others brought 5. I believe we will bring 5, with Porter on the bench as LH for all smaller games and us flying in a dedicated LH for any big games if someone is injured.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup_squads

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Post by profitius on Mon 25 Jun 2018, 11:54 pm

There are a few players who could be bolters for the squad depending on injuries. Time is running out but you'd think one or two players will emerge as contenders next season. There are a few of them about.


I think a few of those in the squad in Australia are down the pecking order. The likes of Jordi Murphy, Conan, Herring, Roux and Ross Byrne wouldn't make a full strength squad of 32.


I think Jack McGrath will need to improve next season. There are also slight question marks over Best and Kearney. They're not spring chickens anymore.

We need another 8. Deegan or Doris look the 2 most likely to pass out Conan.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 10:40 am

I've just noticed that there is sad deterioration of O's in the Ireland squad.

What a sad era for Irish rugby to see the drying up of the POCs, the ROGs, the BODs and the ZebO's Sad

Will they ever recover the numbers sufficiently to escape complete extinction? Damn you, Foreign Imports!!!!

Although the FOX guy did keep calling Stander "StO'nder" - so the future might be brighter than I think.

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Post by Pat_Mustard on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 12:49 pm

SecretFly wrote:I've just noticed that there is sad deterioration of O's in the Ireland squad.

What a sad era for Irish rugby to see the drying up of the POCs, the ROGs, the BODs and the ZebO's  Sad

Will they ever recover the numbers sufficiently to escape complete extinction?  Damn you, Foreign Imports!!!!

Although the FOX guy did keep calling Stander "StO'nder" - so the future might be brighter than I think.

I can't help pronouncing his name as https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stauner%20(stawner)&amp=true

Maybe that's what he meant!

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Re: Ireland RWC Likely Squad

Post by The Great Aukster on Tue 26 Jun 2018, 6:11 pm

wolfball wrote:
The Great Aukster wrote:There needs to be three LHs, three hookers and three THs. Porter might have played LH in his past but isn't playing there now.
http://www.the42.ie/tom-court-scrum-2318191-Sep2015/

Its an interesting article, but if you look at the RWC squads, of the tier 1 nations, 3 brought 6 props (Scotland/NZ/Italy, the others brought 5. I believe we will bring 5, with Porter on the bench as LH for all smaller games and us flying in a dedicated LH for any big games if someone is injured.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup_squads

Based on those squads, all the tier 1 nations brought 5 props and only two nations brought 6 props - USA and Namibia, Japan brought 4!

The question is what is the most sensible number to bring?
26 players were replaced during the tournament, 9 of whom were props (35%). A further 7 were other forwards and 10 were backs. There are 4 props involved in the game compared to usually 9 other forwards and up to 10 backs. These figures indicate that the prop position is more than twice as likely to require a replacement than any other position on the field.

The starting props normally get 3/4 of the game and the bench props get 1/4 - in every game. If Porter gets in the squad as a TH then Healy and McGrath are both involved. If Porter gets on the bench as 'LH cover' he is unlikely to start and McGrath or Healy may still end up with 60 minutes gametime.

Paradoxically it is because the Irish props are good that they should be managed and rested whenever possible for the big games where they can have most impact. By reducing their pool gametime they are going to be fresher and less likely to get injured during the campaign. Taking Kilcoyne or James Cronin as 3rd LH provides respite for Healy and McGrath and allows Porter to push Ryan and Furlong for a TH spot. World Rugby increased the number in the RWC squad from 30 to 31 to acknowledge that the prop position is now too specialised to have a floater. Ireland have been guilty in the past of taking squad players as 'break glass' options and then not using them in any meaningful capacity. If six props were chosen they certainly would all be used during the tournament, and that would be more logical than taking an extra back "just in case".

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