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Post by The Oracle on Fri 06 Jul 2018, 12:06 pm

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So we made it to the end of the 2017/18 season.  We've seen/endured the first year of Bernard Jackman's plan.  I think most of us have been through a rollercoaster of emotions, similar to previous seasons but perhaps even more so this season given the new injection of life and investment into the Dragons.  First there was the hope - the new coaches, some new players, the new pitch, new chairman, new cash injection.  Then we started to stumble - it's all down to the new coach and getting used to the new systems, we said.  Then came the face plant and the realisation that this trend was going to carry on for the whole season - a couple of wins in the league, a few in Europe, a lot of spankings, not many losing bonus points.  Very poor return.  The hope turned to despair and BJ's methods were being questioned.  Then the hope comes again with the announcement of new signings ('stellar' signings, compared to previous years!) and the assurance that the 1st year of the plan was always going to be difficult and that year 2 would be the one to judge BJ on.....  

So.......on to year 2 (2018/19).  Where are we?  What are our expectations (realistically)?  What's the best team we can put out on paper and how competitive will it be?  For a number of years we've been stuffed in the league so seem to try to get some solace from a decent showing in the Euro 2nd tier comp.  However, should we forget about Europe and try to put all of our focus on the league?  I think so.

Transfers - we've lost more than we've gained, although the quality of the transfers in could/should be better than those leaving.  But I'm worried we'll be thin on the ground when the inevitable injuries hit.

Players In: = 14
Jordan Williams from England Bristol Bears
Rhodri Williams from England Bristol Bears
Ross Moriarty from England Gloucester
Rhodri Davies from England Rotherham Titans
Richard Hibbard from England Gloucester
Huw Taylor from England Worcester Warriors
Josh Lewis from England Bath
Ryan Bevington from England Bristol Bears
Aaron Jarvis from France Clermont
Dafydd Howells from Wales Ospreys
Tiaan Loots from Wales RGC 1404
Jacob Botica from Wales RGC 1404
Rhys Lawrence from England Ealing Trailfinders
Brandon Nansen from France

Players Out: - =21
Sarel Pretorius to South Africa Southern Kings
Phil Price to Wales Scarlets
Scott Andrews to Wales Neath
Luke Garrett to Wales Neath
Adam Hughes retired
Pat Howard to England Ealing Trailfinders
Rhys Buckley to Wales Bargoed
Barney Nightingale to Wales Bargoed
Keagan Bale to Wales Bargoed
Angus O'Brien to Wales Scarlets
Nicky Thomas to Wales Scarlets (return from short-term loan)
Dorian Jones to France Angoulême
Charlie Davies to England Northampton Saints
Lloyd Lewis to Wales Pontypool
Sam Beard to New Zealand Canterbury
Sam Hobbs released
Thomas Davies released
Liam Belcher released
Ashley Sweet released
Robson Blake released
Carl Meyer released

I'll try to update the Ins and Outs as we go.


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Post by Stone Motif on Tue 02 Oct 2018, 9:08 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I'm surprised in a good way that he says he's not going to take risks with Dixon. We won't get double points if we beat the Blues. It's a long season.
I'm not convinced by Sage at 12 mind.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 12:22 pm

They're moving Adam Warren to 12, apparently.

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 3:43 pm

I went to watch training for a bit earlier, as I was up that way.

Landman sat out. I reckon Brown is starting on Sat. Dixon was only doing shuttles, with somebody else. Wasn’t obvious at all which hooker would be starting, but I’d guess maybe Hibbard. Screech and Joe Davies with the A side. That Lawrence we have signed looked okay throwing in, considering the lineouts were competitive. Don’t know what the A’s lineout has been like.


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Post by munkian on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 3:44 pm

More likely Dee if he was rested last week and Hibbard took a knock ?
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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 3:46 pm

I did think, but then Hibbard seemed to be throwing first possibly, though they were obviously alternating.

Hong Kong on a Monday in Ebbw then. Anybody keen?

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 4:52 pm

It's going to take some selling.

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Post by RiscaGame on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 6:38 pm

The other guy running with Dixon was probably Keddie actually.

Yeah, a bit of a nightmare getting up there really, especially with the day. I would’ve probably had the Hong Kong game on a Monday somewhere else, like Crosskeys (more central and a homecoming for Dai Rees). I look forward to seeing where the other game is.

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Post by Stone Motif on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 7:37 am

RiscaGame wrote:The other guy running with Dixon was probably Keddie actually.

Yeah, a bit of a nightmare getting up there really, especially with the day. I would’ve probably had the Hong Kong game on a Monday somewhere else, like Crosskeys (more central and a homecoming for Dai Rees). I look forward to seeing where the other game is.
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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 7:44 am

Stone your'e such a keyboard warrior on here. Rolling Eyes

Give it a rest will you. OK

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Post by PhilBB on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 9:07 am

So, predictions for the result this Saturday?
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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 9:42 am

89-6 Dragons.

Or Dragons 15-23 Cardiff Blues.

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Post by PhilBB on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 9:47 am

RiscaGame wrote:89-6 Dragons.

Or Dragons 15-23 Cardiff Blues.

Ian Davies and wet weather. That'll be a penalty fest and a keep it tight fest.

Which of the two minuscule full backs will make the bigger error? Which team has the better goal kicker? How many tries will Dee score from driving line outs?
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Post by The Oracle on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 10:30 am

PhilBB wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:89-6 Dragons.

Or Dragons 15-23 Cardiff Blues.

Ian Davies and wet weather. That'll be a penalty fest and a keep it tight fest.

Which of the two minuscule full backs will make the bigger error? Which team has the better goal kicker? How many tries will Dee score from driving line outs?


They seem to have dried up a bit this season, after last season where they were probably our main source of points. Not sure if it's a change of tactics or teams being wiser to the Dragons doing it. Or both.
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Post by munkian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 10:39 am

The last league Derby we won was against Cardiff but that was what, 2014 ?

Our driving maul was pretty handy that day though it hasn't been for some time.

I think it will be a close game, Cardiff's win over the Cheetahs wasn't exactly convincing.

We need really need our guys with niggles back and we'll need to try and frustrate Anscombe and hes in strong form.

I've blagged a corporate seat so it will be a nice change from the wet North anyway.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 10:55 am

PhilBB wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:89-6 Dragons.

Or Dragons 15-23 Cardiff Blues.

Ian Davies and wet weather. That'll be a penalty fest and a keep it tight fest.

Oh for f*ck's sake.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 10:56 am

PhilBB wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:89-6 Dragons.

Or Dragons 15-23 Cardiff Blues.

Ian Davies and wet weather. That'll be a penalty fest and a keep it tight fest.

Which of the two minuscule full backs will make the bigger error? Which team has the better goal kicker? How many tries will Dee score from driving line outs?

I was going to be a bit more conservative, funnily enough.

I think your goal kicker is better.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 10:58 am

munkian wrote:The last league Derby we won was against Cardiff but that was what, 2014 ?

Our driving maul was pretty handy that day though it hasn't been for some time.

I think it will be a close game, Cardiff's win over the Cheetahs wasn't exactly convincing.

We need really need our guys with niggles back and we'll need to try and frustrate Anscombe and hes in strong form.

I've blagged a corporate seat so it will be a nice change from the wet North anyway.

I’m in the Rodney Road seats for a change, instead of the terrace. Paid for central seats. Only trouble with them are, they’re probably fairly close to Geraint Powell Wink

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Post by munkian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:00 am

Really hope its a full house, at least Cardiff will bring some travelling fans.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:13 am

There were plenty of them on the North Terrace in the rain last season. B*stards Wink

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Post by munkian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:20 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:There were plenty of them on the North Terrace in the rain last season. B*stards Wink

Do drums work in the rain ?
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:26 am

I don't remember any drumming, come to think of it. Just a lot of cheering Crying or Very sad

The main thing I remember from that game is the amount of time we spent in the Blues' half in the first half (playing towards the North Terrace) - and how little we had to show for it. I'm worried that it'll be a similar story on Saturday. We're an inefficient team.

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Post by munkian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:45 am

We rarely score tries by the North stand, we will now I'm not there mind.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 11:55 am

We don't score many in either direction! Laugh

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 12:13 pm

Heavy rain forecast for Newport on Saturday. Bit early to know for sure yet though. Hope it passes. It's been lovely all week. I swear the weather just waits until a Dragons home game to shat it down Sad
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 2:26 pm

Last I checked, it's meant to be similar to a couple of Saturdays ago when Zebre came - heavy in the morning and lunchtime, lighter by the time the match kicks off. I don't think wet conditions will hurt our chances anyway.

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Post by munkian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 3:15 pm

Will hopefully DRAG them down to our level...

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 3:30 pm

Outstanding clap

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Post by PhilBB on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 4:59 pm

RiscaGame wrote:

I’m in the Rodney Road seats for a change, instead of the terrace. Paid for central seats. Only trouble with them are, they’re probably fairly close to Geraint Powell Wink

Are there lots of empty seats next to him, one for each of his lodgers?
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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:24 pm

Ha. I dare say. I haven’t really seen him there, other than seeing him leaning over the tier after games. That’s offputting enough just noticing him.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:32 pm

Navidi and Williams expected back. No surprise. No Manoa or Scully. Jarrod Evans expected to play too.

Interesting from a Dragons point of view, that Botica is named for the A team. I wonder who is back up ten?

I expect it to be.

Harris, Dee (would be my choice, wouldn’t be surprised to see Bernard maybe go Hibbard), Brown, Hill, Nansen, Wainwright, Griffiths, Moriarty, Williams, Lewis, Rosser, Warren, Morgan, Howells, Williams.

Hibbard, Bevington, Jarvis, Taylor, Cudd, Knoyle, Sage, Talbot Davies???

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:49 pm

Well it can't be Kirchner any more, or even Carl Meyer. Would they move Jordan Williams to ten if they had to?

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 5:59 pm

It’s Sexton. We’ve signed Sexton!
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Post by Stone Motif on Thu 04 Oct 2018, 7:25 pm

PhilBB wrote:
RiscaGame wrote:

I’m in the Rodney Road seats for a change, instead of the terrace. Paid for central seats. Only trouble with them are, they’re probably fairly close to Geraint Powell Wink

Are there lots of empty seats next to him, one for each of his lodgers?
Not if David Buttress is counting
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Post by munkian on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 7:56 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Well it can't be Kirchner any more, or even Carl Meyer. Would they move Jordan Williams to ten if they had to?

He seemed a capable 10 at the Turks.
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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 11:38 am

Jordan is the cover.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:05 pm

Dragons: J Williams, D Howells, A Warren, J Sage, J Rosser, J Lewis, R Williams, B Harris, E Dee, L Brown, B Nansen, C Hill (captain), A Wainwright, O Griffiths, R Moriarty. Replacements: R Hibbard, R Bevington, A Jarvis, N Cudd, T Knoyle, T Morgan, W Talbot-Davies.


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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:08 pm

Cardiff Blues: Matthew Morgan, Owen Lane, Rey Lee-Lo, Willis Halaholo, Jason Harris; Gareth Anscombe, Lloyd Williams; Brad Thyer, Kristian Dacey, Dmitri Arhip, George Earle, Josh Turnbull, Josh Navidi, Ellis Jenkins (capt), Nick Williams.

Replacements: Kirby Myhill, Rhys Gill, Dillon Lewis, Macauley Cook, Olly Robinson, Tomos Williams, Jarrod Evans, Garyn Smith


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Post by munkian on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 1:09 pm

Backrow battle will be huge. Anything can happen on a derby day so hopefully we'll want it more.
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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 5:36 pm

Had a good email off the Dragons today. Very comprehensive, to be fair. Maybe it’s because it’s the first time I’ve been able to attend this season and they’ve seen I’ve got a ticket? Anyway, they reckon it’ll be dry tomorrow, but cold.

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Post by PhilBB on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 9:02 am

So, an abysmal Cardiff performance was more than enough to see off the Dragons in the home team's biggest game of the season. And Jackman and Buttress still promise jam tomorrow.
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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 9:24 am

PhilBB wrote:So, an abysmal Cardiff performance was more than enough to see off the Dragons in the home team's biggest game of the season. And Jackman and Buttress still promise jam tomorrow.
You waited all weekend for that? Jackman and Buttress not the only ones who need to up their game.
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Post by PhilBB on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 9:50 am

Stone Motif wrote:
PhilBB wrote:So, an abysmal Cardiff performance was more than enough to see off the Dragons in the home team's biggest game of the season. And Jackman and Buttress still promise jam tomorrow.
You waited all weekend for that? Jackman and Buttress not the only ones who need to up their game.

No, I didn't wait at all.

You're right, though, it seems that the stewards at RP also need to up their game and many of the players.
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Post by The Oracle on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:14 am

In the words of the late, great Mother Teresa: f**k off Phil!!!


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Post by PhilBB on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:20 am

The Oracle wrote:In the words of the late, great Mother Teresa: f**k off Phil.

Odd response.

Why are you so touchy?
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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:23 am

What was up with the stewards?

Just watching it back now. Pretty low key affair for a derby. Still can’t get over Jackman hooking Dee so early.

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Post by PhilBB on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:25 am

RiscaGame wrote:What was up with the stewards?

Twitter has a few posts noting complaints made to stewards (with no action taken) by fans of both teams - bad language, plus people throwing stuff

I don't understand Jackman's love for Baywatch, either. A three year deal.....
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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:36 am

PhilBB wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
PhilBB wrote:So, an abysmal Cardiff performance was more than enough to see off the Dragons in the home team's biggest game of the season. And Jackman and Buttress still promise jam tomorrow.
You waited all weekend for that? Jackman and Buttress not the only ones who need to up their game.

No, I didn't wait at all.

You're right, though, it seems that the stewards at RP also need to up their game and many of the players.
With a troll this bad I'm starting to wonder whether you're auditioning for a walk on part in the dungeons and dragons pastiche we've built around our changing rooms.
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Post by Stone Motif on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 10:37 am

RiscaGame wrote:What was up with the stewards?

Just watching it back now. Pretty low key affair for a derby. Still can’t get over Jackman hooking Dee so early.
Serious WTF moment in bringing on Huw Taylor as well
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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 11:07 am

Yeah, I know. Lost a fair bit of weight from our scrum all at once.

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Post by The Oracle on Mon 08 Oct 2018, 11:08 am

PhilBB wrote:
The Oracle wrote:In the words of the late, great Mother Teresa: f**k off Phil.

Odd response.

Why are you so touchy?

Sorry, meant to include an explanation mark at the end! Just a bit of fun. Not touchy really. Dragons short comings exposed again.
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