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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 07 Jul 2018, 4:10 pm

First topic message reminder :

A new thread to continue the tracking of where the multi-country Championship is heading.

With the TV deals done for Ireland, UK, Italy and South Africa, PRO14 quietly announced their deal for tapping other broadcast markets around the world with rights partner, RDA, who already have the Heineken Cup and English Premiership in their stable.  

Here’s extract from what the PRO14 press release said:  

Guinness PRO14 is the first rugby union championship to host clubs from the traditional rugby powers in the Northern and Southern Hemispheres, with teams from South Africa competing against the top sides from Ireland, Wales, Scotland and Italy.....

....RDA’s focus will be on growing revenues in core markets as well as increasing the Guinness PRO14’s global footprint. Current media agreements in host markets secured by PRO14 include eir sport in Ireland, Premier Sports in the UK and Super Sport in Sub-Saharan Africa.

Martin Anayi, CEO, Guinness PRO14 commented: “It’s an incredible time in the Guinness PRO14 with our expansion into South Africa, the success of our clubs in Europe and the confirmation of our new broadcast partners in Ireland and the UK. Every season the biggest names in world rugby take to the pitch in our Championship guided by some of the sharpest minds in the game providing imaginative, high-intensity match-ups which make for compulsive viewing.

“The Guinness PRO14 is one of the most talked about rugby properties in the world right now and it’s the perfect time to join forces with RDA who have a track record of success when it comes to sports media rights. With brands such as Premiership Rugby, Champions Cup and European Challenge Cup in their portfolio we can ensure that rugby fans will feel a part of the Guinness PRO14 action no matter where they are.”

...,Richard Dennis, CEO, RDA commented: “The Guinness PRO14 is an action-packed tournament. With a global-playing base of 300 players capped at full international level, and 100 top players from countries such as New Zealand, Australia, South Africa and the Pacific Islands, PRO14 will have a worldwide appeal to rugby fans. It also boasts some impressive stats, 1.3 million attendees last season and games averaging 5.9 tries, so it’s no surprise scoring has risen for the fifth year in a row. We’re very much excited to be working with the Guinness PRO14.”

RDA adds the Guinness PRO14 to a strong rugby portfolio covering the newly sponsored Champions Cup, European Challenge Cup, Premiership Rugby, Betfred Super League and the RFL International Test Series.

Anayi in another pre-season general interview said that PRO16 would be the ideal size for the Championship that would allow less regular season games to be played and avoid test windows. It’s likely the final two spots would go to two more SA teams - likely from Super Rugby before the start of its new Sanzaar TV contract in 2020.

Anayi also mentioned that they were bringing in a new programme to allow them employ professional referees directly on their elite refs panel.


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Post by PhilBB on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 4:31 pm

How does he know that I always type Martyn if he's claiming to ignore me?

Aki's deal is conservatively worth €400k a year, so it's pretty obvious that Connacht's wage bill will be over €1m.

After all, Martyn, if Connacht's wage bill isn't that much, how do we arrive at the total spend by the IRFU? Oh, that's right, by noting that the other three spend significant sums.
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Post by SecretFly on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 4:33 pm

The moral is that the rich win.


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Post by PhilBB on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 4:34 pm

marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.
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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 5:11 pm

PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.

So how much do you think the IRFU currently contributes to the provincial branches, Phil?
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Post by SecretFly on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 5:16 pm

He can only guess 'cause accounts aren't transparent.  
But guessing about finances or anything is banned on this site.... an unwritten rule mostly enforced by Phil himself.  'Prove it' Phil says.

So the reply to your query will be interesting, Pot.  Well...pseudo interesting...

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 7:37 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.

So how much do you think the IRFU currently contributes to the provincial branches, Phil?

Ah Pot you had to go and share his post, it's making me miss his tinfoil hat rants

the actual financial performance was £254k better than budget

This increased funding amounted to £450k

Commercial income was almost £200k ahead of budget

No financial details in the report he says, wonder where I got those financial details from Whistle

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 09 Aug 2018, 7:41 pm

marty2086 wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.

So how much do you think the IRFU currently contributes to the provincial branches, Phil?

Ah Pot you had to go and share his post, it's making me miss his tinfoil hat rants

the actual financial performance was £254k better than budget

This increased funding amounted to £450k

Commercial income was almost £200k ahead of budget

No financial details in the report he says, wonder where I got those financial details from Whistle

Does it really matter?
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Post by RugbyFan100 on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 9:23 am

marty2086 wrote:

Phil always types Martyn, funny that you are now too


Can I just ask: Are you claiming that I and another poster posting on this thread are the same person?

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Post by PhilBB on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 9:24 am

Pot Hale wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.

So how much do you think the IRFU currently contributes to the provincial branches, Phil?

For what? You've already published how the salary expenditure works
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Post by PhilBB on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 9:25 am

marty2086 wrote:
Ah Pot you had to go and share his post, it's making me miss his tinfoil hat rants

the actual financial performance was £254k better than budget

This increased funding amounted to £450k

Commercial income was almost £200k ahead of budget

No financial details in the report he says, wonder where I got those financial details from Whistle

The narrative, not the detail.

I'm surprised that you can't tell the difference bet.... oh, hang on, no I'm not.
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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 11:22 am

PhilBB wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
PhilBB wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

If you don't know then why did you claim millions?

Not like Ulster have issued their annual report or anything, so much or not being transparent Rolling Eyes  

Not sure why they need to be transparent though Erm

Oh, are we now at the stage of being disingenuous about the annual report (the one that doesn't have any financial details and the one that notes only the local budgeted contribution and not the final salary spend of another company's employees).

Shame.

So how much do you think the IRFU currently contributes to the provincial branches, Phil?

For what? You've already published how the salary expenditure works

Yes I have. But not the total estimated amount of what the provinces receive. Various estimations have been bandied about, I was wondering what your estimation was based on your knowledge of financial matters. No worries, it’s not important.
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Post by PhilBB on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 11:26 am

Pot Hale wrote:
Yes I have.  But not the total estimated amount of what the provinces receive.  Various estimations have been bandied about, I was wondering what your estimation was based on your knowledge of financial matters. No worries, it’s not important.

I've no interest in what they receive outside of squad costs, sorry, and we've chewed the fat and made the guesses on that before.

For community work, women's rugby, referees etc. I haven't given it a thought.
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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 10 Aug 2018, 2:37 pm

PhilBB wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
Yes I have.  But not the total estimated amount of what the provinces receive.  Various estimations have been bandied about, I was wondering what your estimation was based on your knowledge of financial matters. No worries, it’s not important.

I've no interest in what they receive outside of squad costs, sorry, and we've chewed the fat and made the guesses on that before.

For community work, women's rugby, referees etc. I haven't given it a thought.

Grand.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 11 Aug 2018, 6:32 pm

I see that Premier Sports have announced their on-screen talent for PRO14 in Northern Ireland covering Ulster games with Mark Little, Mark Robson and Andrew Trimble making up the team.

The panels for Scotland And Wales will be announced in the next week or two.

Interesting approach to localize talent across the different broadcast territories.

Sunset & Vine have been appointed as the broadcast production partners with Premier Sports - they’re a top notch production outfit so picture and presentation output quality should be good - in theory.
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Post by RiscaGame on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 12:43 pm

Robson puts me off a bit.

Wales is apparently Ross Harries and Sean Holley, as well as others from Scrum V (I expect). Holley puts me off too.

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Post by carpet baboon on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 12:49 pm

But none of us will have to tolerate Stuart Barnes. Which is always a bonus

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Post by munkian on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 8:59 am

Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.
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Post by marty2086 on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 9:43 am

munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

Rolling Eyes

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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 11:33 am

munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.
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Post by munkian on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 11:38 am

Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.

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Post by marty2086 on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 11:56 am

munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


Have you actually watched it or just went for a stereotype?

Some of those on BBC NI were the biggest critics of Ulster last season and even before that not to mention this is PremierSports though not BBC NI

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Post by munkian on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 12:02 pm

marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


Have you actually watched it or just went for a stereotype?

Some of those on BBC NI were the biggest critics of Ulster last season and even before that not to mention this is PremierSports though not BBC NI

Unfortunately I have, they kept referring to Ulster as 'us' and the opposition as 'them'.

Trimble should be Ok but Robson is feicing awful.



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Post by marty2086 on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 12:10 pm

munkian wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


Have you actually watched it or just went for a stereotype?

Some of those on BBC NI were the biggest critics of Ulster last season and even before that not to mention this is PremierSports though not BBC NI

Unfortunately I have, they kept referring to Ulster as 'us' and the opposition as 'them'.

Trimble should be Ok but Robson is feicing awful.




And? You get that with Welsh and English commentators too Rolling Eyes

It's a service for fans of Ulster, it's also doesn't mean they are biased

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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 1:19 pm

munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


You should listen to the Welsh coverage, it’s just sickening. Sean Holley has to be the worst ever.
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Post by The Oracle on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 1:22 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


You should listen to the Welsh coverage, it’s just sickening.  Sean Holley has to be the worst ever.  

Nice try! Laugh
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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 2:35 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


You should listen to the Welsh coverage, it’s just sickening.  Sean Holley has to be the worst ever.  

Nice try!  Laugh

If you’re going to exaggerate, I always aim high, Oracle. The guy can’t commentate on a game without having a pop at Irish refs, Irish teams or Irish players. Just drones on and on. Dreadful stuff. For a while I thought he might be LD in disguise... Whistle
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Post by The Oracle on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:19 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


You should listen to the Welsh coverage, it’s just sickening.  Sean Holley has to be the worst ever.  

Nice try!  Laugh

If you’re going to exaggerate, I always aim high, Oracle.   The guy can’t commentate on a game without having a pop at Irish refs, Irish teams or Irish players.   Just drones on and on.  Dreadful stuff.   For a while I thought he might be LD in disguise...  Whistle

I thought you were just sarcastically fighting back, to be honest. But saying that, does Holley even commentate? I only ever see him doing the halftime analysis.
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Post by munkian on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:25 pm

I'm pretty sure he only does analysis...

Welsh continent for Premier Sports appear to be Nugget, Shane Williams and Butler. Hmm.
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Post by marty2086 on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:35 pm

The Oracle wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
The Oracle wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:
munkian wrote:Great, more partisan Norn Iron monotone dross then.

To balance the more partisan Welsh, Scottish and Irish monotone drones on the other games.

Seems fair.

Nah, BBC NI coverage is ridiculously biased, embarrassingly so.


You should listen to the Welsh coverage, it’s just sickening.  Sean Holley has to be the worst ever.  

Nice try!  Laugh

If you’re going to exaggerate, I always aim high, Oracle.   The guy can’t commentate on a game without having a pop at Irish refs, Irish teams or Irish players.   Just drones on and on.  Dreadful stuff.   For a while I thought he might be LD in disguise...  Whistle

I thought you were just sarcastically fighting back, to be honest.  But saying that, does Holley even commentate?  I only ever see him doing the halftime analysis.

There was someone on BBC Wales commentating last season, pretty sure it was Martyn Williams, constantly moaning about a ref who seemed to be doing a decent job and blaming them for Cardiff losing. Don' think I've ever heard that on BBCNI, not that they have never criticised refs but it's usually fairly balanced and the players and team take the criticism for defeats

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Post by munkian on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:39 pm

So its not Holey its Martyn Williams ? Quite a leap there..

Are you also suggesting the pro14 reffing is of a particularly high standard ?
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Post by marty2086 on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 3:49 pm

Is wasn't me who said it was Holley, quite a leap to suggest it was Rolling Eyes

You might want to read what I wrote. I didn't comment on the overall standard, merely that a ref who seemed to be doing well was getting blamed for a team losing by a former player

Now I don't watch BBC Wales coverage regularly so Im not sure if that I the norm but it was quite shocking as like I said the ref seemed to be getting things right and it was merely that the decisions went against his team.

As I said the BBCNI coverage has criticised refs, even when Ulster have won they have addressed poor officiating and praised some too in defeat so the claim that they are biased because they say us and them is just silly

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Post by The Oracle on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 4:48 pm

The BBCNI coverage is truly shocking. I was physically sick during one game due to the level of bias and bile. Shocking. My wife had a heart attack one game due to the bias. Disgusting.
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Post by Pot Hale on Mon 13 Aug 2018, 11:28 pm

The Oracle wrote:The BBCNI coverage is truly shocking. I was physically sick during one game due to the level of bias and bile. Shocking. My wife had a heart attack one game due to the bias. Disgusting.

That's the spirit, Oracle. 9/10. OK
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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 10:31 am

So ProAnyNumberThatSoundsGood is also clinically proven, in double blind studies at well respected Universities world wide, to be bad for the cardio pulmonary system???!!!!!

The thing is f**King lethal and really we must think about banning it at this stage.  Mafia refs, hoodlum owners, games thrown for fat cat brown envelope payments into Caymen Island Investment Accounts.  Friday night skulduggery, non-transparency, Klingon Cloaking devices, non-interested players, poor standards, terrible pitches, rabid and unhinged fans....... and now High tar and filterless packaging without any warning signs?

A bloody disgrace.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 10:38 am

SecretFly wrote:So ProAnyNumberThatSoundsGood is also clinically proven, in double blind studies at well respected Universities world wide, to be bad for the cardio pulmonary system???!!!!!

The thing is f**King lethal and really we must think about banning it at this stage.  Mafia refs, hoodlum owners, games thrown for fat cat brown envelope payments into Caymen Island Investment Accounts.  Friday night skulduggery, non-transparency, Klingon Cloaking devices, non-interested players, poor standards, terrible pitches, rabid and unhinged fans....... and now High tar and filterless packaging without any warning signs?

A bloody disgrace.

Another excellent contribution to the thread. Well done.

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 10:39 am

Who are you?

Have we met before?

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Post by SecretFly on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 10:41 am

...oh and thank you very kindly for the compliment of course. Some of us have to keep the 606 standards above the waterline.

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Post by marty2086 on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 12:54 pm

Preseason updates

https://www.pro14rugby.org/2018/08/14/guinness-pro14-clubs-heating-up-in-pre-season-friendlies/

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Re: The Future for the PRO14 - Part 6 - Pay TV, More SA Makes Sweet 16

Post by The Oracle on Tue 14 Aug 2018, 1:30 pm

SecretFly wrote:So ProAnyNumberThatSoundsGood is also clinically proven, in double blind studies at well respected Universities world wide, to be bad for the cardio pulmonary system???!!!!!

The thing is f**King lethal and really we must think about banning it at this stage.  Mafia refs, hoodlum owners, games thrown for fat cat brown envelope payments into Caymen Island Investment Accounts.  Friday night skulduggery, non-transparency, Klingon Cloaking devices, non-interested players, poor standards, terrible pitches, rabid and unhinged fans....... and now High tar and filterless packaging without any warning signs?

A bloody disgrace.


This sounds really exciting! You've whetted my appetite. Looking forward to the start of the season now!
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