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Post by Brendan on Fri 03 Aug 2018, 1:38 pm

First topic message reminder :

With the Super final on this weekend and all the talk of how the Crusaders are going to win at home.   Add in all the hype last year about how unfair it was the Lions got a home Final.

So what are people's views on having a predetermined venue.  They do it in Soccer in the Champions league were a team if they get there could play in their own stadium (which I think happened).

Positives
We have outgrown the 18k Stadiums for finals so few home grounds can cover crowd
Neutral venue so more equal chance.
Everyone knows the venue of the final is so can arrange flights/accomadation etc well in advance
Helps to advertise and Hype the Final

Negatives
May end up in a team's home city giving them an advantage
Topping the league should give you a good reward
Criteria for picking venues may seem unfair.

So are you in favour of pre-chosen final venue or would you rather go back to top team gets home Final.
What are some things the Pro14 can do to improve the event.  My suggestion is we have an all stars game between a select 23 from both Conferences.  Each team not in the final has 3 players guaranteed and is managed by the coach who gets the most votes from that conference who didn't make the Play-offs.  It would be a BaaBaas type game with lots of entertainment and means fans get to see some of their players even if the team didn't make it.


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Re: Pro 14 final Neutral venue v home stadium.

Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:43 am

BamBam wrote:

Why don't they see it as a viable way to maximise revenue? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Is speedway a more lucrative sport than rugby everywhere else in the world?  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy  Very Happy

Well they're not doing it to annoy you are they? There is, actually a business plan involved.

Is that because they don't think the Welsh rugby public would buy the tickets at the price they would need to set them at? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Yes. It's not an attractive enough proposition to watch Munster v Glasgow. Ed Sheeran can sell out the stadium 4 times. Pro 14 rugby would attract a half empty stadium.

Is that because the Welsh rugby public think they're entitled to everything for free? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Probably. The Welsh rugby public are by and large thick and apathetic.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:44 am

I guess Twickenham doesn't host football matches because it's not a viable way to maximise revenue Rolling Eyes

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:44 am

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:

The WRU aren't bidding for the Pro14 final because they don't see it as a viable way to maximize revenue, and instead hold non sporting events that rake in millions.


Have you got proof of that?

Yes:

https://www.songkick.com/venues/1751-principality-stadium

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So because they hold other events there its proof that the WRU don't bid because they don't see it as a viable way to maximise revenue? Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

And can I add

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Why do you think the Principality Stadium hasn't hosted the Pro 14 final?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:47 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:

The WRU aren't bidding for the Pro14 final because they don't see it as a viable way to maximize revenue, and instead hold non sporting events that rake in millions.


Have you got proof of that?

Yes:

https://www.songkick.com/venues/1751-principality-stadium

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So because they hold other events there its proof that the WRU don't bid because they don't see it as a viable way to maximise revenue? Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh Laugh

And can I add

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Why do you think the Principality Stadium hasn't hosted the Pro 14 final?

Because they haven't bid to host it, either that or because Ed Sheeran once played few nights there

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:50 am

marty2086 wrote:

Because they haven't bid to host it, either that or because Ed Sheeran once played few nights there

Why haven't they bid to host it?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:52 am

Read back over my previous posts which explains that

So you didn't know this, made up claims, then when the truth is pointed out you had the temerity to call it libellous

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 11:58 am

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BamBam wrote:

Is that because they don't think the Welsh rugby public would buy the tickets at the price they would need to set them at? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Yes. It's not an attractive enough proposition to watch Munster v Glasgow. Ed Sheeran can sell out the stadium 4 times. Pro 14 rugby would attract a half empty stadium.

Is that because the Welsh rugby public think they're entitled to everything for free? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Probably. The Welsh rugby public are by and large thick and apathetic.

So we aren't actually disagreeing?

I think its perfectly reasonable for the league to have minimum financial requirements before awarding its showpiece final. Every sporting organisation does the same - the football World Cup, the RWC, Olympics, Champions League final, Super Bowl etc are all awarded based on a range of criteria

If no other stadium in Wales meets those requirements, and the WRU refuse to bid with the MS, what is the issue with the rest of the countries (whose stadiums do meet the requirements) being the ones to host the final?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:00 pm

BamBam wrote:

If no other stadium in Wales meets those requirements, and the WRU refuse to bid with the MS, what is the issue with the rest of the countries (whose stadiums do meet the requirements) being the ones to host the final?
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You'd have to ask them why they don't feel that hosting the final is worth the trouble. I can take a guess.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:02 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

If no other stadium in Wales meets those requirements, and the WRU refuse to bid with the MS, what is the issue with the rest of the countries (whose stadiums do meet the requirements) being the ones to host the final?

You'd have to ask them why they don't feel that hosting the final is worth the trouble. I can take a guess.[/quote]

So you only guess and when pointed out the real reason you call it libellous? Are you going to retract that claim and apologise?

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:03 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

If no other stadium in Wales meets those requirements, and the WRU refuse to bid with the MS, what is the issue with the rest of the countries (whose stadiums do meet the requirements) being the ones to host the final?

You'd have to ask them why they don't feel that hosting the final is worth the trouble. I can take a guess.[/quote]

Please do take a guess ..

That doesn't answer my question on why it is an issue for the other countries to then host the final that Wales are unable to?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:04 pm

marty2086 wrote:Read back over my previous posts which explains that

So you didn't know this, made up claims, then when the truth is pointed out you had the temerity to call it libellous

You really are a special one, daddy Phil must be proud

Nope. I'm not getting any of that Marty. The PS consistently organise events around the time of the Pro14 final, and then do not bid for the Pro14 final. They could bid for the Pro14 final. But they don't. Instead they host other events.

I can try and juggle the same sentence around a few more ways if you want, in order for you to try and understand it. But I'm not sure you would be able to.

I have absolutely no idea what your "daddy phil" comment means. Are you referring to the poster that you have on ignore? If so, then I feel you may be a bit infatuated with him as you keep referring to that poster despite claiming you have him on ignore. Maybe you are a bit obsessed with that poster despite claiming otherwise.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:05 pm

BamBam wrote:

Please do take a guess ..

That doesn't answer my question on why it is an issue for the other countries to then host the final that Wales are unable to?

It is not financially viable for them to do so, it could lead to losses. And I would guess that is the same for venues / Unions / clubs in Italy and South Africa.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:11 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:Read back over my previous posts which explains that

So you didn't know this, made up claims, then when the truth is pointed out you had the temerity to call it libellous

You really are a special one, daddy Phil must be proud

Nope. I'm not getting any of that Marty. The PS consistently organise events around the time of the Pro14 final, and then do not bid for the Pro14 final. They could bid for the Pro14 final. But they don't. Instead they host other events.

I can try and juggle the same sentence around a few more ways if you want, in order for you to try and understand it. But I'm not sure you would be able to.

I have absolutely no idea what your "daddy phil" comment means. Are you referring to the poster that you have on ignore? If so, then I feel you may be a bit infatuated with him as you keep referring to that poster despite claiming you have him on ignore. Maybe you are a bit obsessed with that poster despite claiming otherwise.

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:17 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Please do take a guess ..

That doesn't answer my question on why it is an issue for the other countries to then host the final that Wales are unable to?

It is not financially viable for them to do so, it could lead to losses. And I would guess that is the same for venues / Unions / clubs in Italy and South Africa.

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?

I think its a bit disingenuous to include SA, given they've only been in the league for a year, and in reality have sent their two weakest teams - its difficult to argue that their focus isn't Super Rugby


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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:21 pm

marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:23 pm

BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:26 pm

So your issue really is with the facilities available in Wales, rather than the Pro 14 being limited to awarding the final to the stadiums / countries who meet the requirements?

Seems fair enough to me. Until Wales is capable of holding the final, it doesn't get it thumbsup

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:26 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:27 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:28 pm

BamBam wrote:So your issue really is with the facilities available in Wales, rather than the Pro 14 being limited to awarding the final to the stadiums / countries who meet the requirements?

Not really. The requirements seemed to be shall we say "relaxed" a little the year Ulster hosted it, in a 18,000 capacity stadium. Since then, there have been no such stadiums hosting the final. A coincidence I'm sure.

Seems fair enough to me. Until Wales is capable of holding the final, it doesn't get it thumbsup

We'll have to make do with our Champions League Final level events - the Pro 14 is clearly a step beyond us, such is it's status. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:29 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:30 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

I see this line of questioning was halted immediately when you were shown up Marty Very Happy

Ya massive spoofer.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:31 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Wow this is embarrassing yet again for you

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:33 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

This is really embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_City_Stadium

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:34 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:So your issue really is with the facilities available in Wales, rather than the Pro 14 being limited to awarding the final to the stadiums / countries who meet the requirements?

Not really. The requirements seemed to be shall we say "relaxed" a little the year Ulster hosted it, in a 18,000 capacity stadium. Since then, there have been no such stadiums hosting the final. A coincidence I'm sure.

Seems fair enough to me. Until Wales is capable of holding the final, it doesn't get it thumbsup

We'll have to make do with our Champions League Final level events - the Pro 14 is clearly a step beyond us, such is it's status. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

So you refer back to a final that was held 3 years ago? Given the growth of the league, is it surprising that they now want to market it as a showpiece event, not just giving it to a 20k seater stadium?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:36 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

This is really embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_City_Stadium

Big is over 50k


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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:38 pm

BamBam wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:So your issue really is with the facilities available in Wales, rather than the Pro 14 being limited to awarding the final to the stadiums / countries who meet the requirements?

Not really. The requirements seemed to be shall we say "relaxed" a little the year Ulster hosted it, in a 18,000 capacity stadium. Since then, there have been no such stadiums hosting the final. A coincidence I'm sure.

Seems fair enough to me. Until Wales is capable of holding the final, it doesn't get it thumbsup

We'll have to make do with our Champions League Final level events - the Pro 14 is clearly a step beyond us, such is it's status. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

So you refer back to a final that was held 3 years ago? Given the growth of the league, is it surprising that they now want to market it as a showpiece event, not just giving it to a 20k seater stadium?

Hanging on to the coat tails of football now are we Laugh how embarrassing for a "rugby mad" "nation" Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Soccer is easily the national sport of Wales.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:38 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

This is really embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_City_Stadium

Big is over 50k


Seriously? You said bigger capacity not big, a bigger capacity is a number higher so stop setting arbitrary numbers just to make yourself look less moronic

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:39 pm

marty2086 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Wow this is embarrassing yet again for you

I see this line of questioning was halted immediately when you were shown up

Ya massive spoofer

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:42 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Just answering your question Marty.

The overlapping of set up times on consecutive weekends would become a factor. They don't do events on consecutive weeknds because it takes so long to set up and take down. The Rolling Stones / U2 sets for instance take 7 days in a stadium - 4 days setting up and performing, and 2 days to take down and leave.

But as you were - you know best - right?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:45 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

This is really embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_City_Stadium

Big is over 50k


Seriously? You said bigger capacity not big, a bigger capacity is a number higher so stop setting arbitrary numbers just to make yourself look less moronic

So you think the Pro14 could potentially want to revert back to a stadium that has a 33k capacity, after having the last 4 finals in venues over 50k?

That's progress eh?

Who's "moronic" ? Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 12:57 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Just answering your question Marty.

The overlapping of set up times on consecutive weekends would become a factor. They don't do events on consecutive weeknds because it takes so long to set up and take down. The Rolling Stones / U2 sets for instance take 7 days in a stadium - 4 days setting up and performing, and 2 days to take down and leave.

But as you were - you know best - right?

So when the Stones played Cardiff 6 days after Murrayfield(it's a wonder they were able to host the final with the other events they stage Rolling Eyes ) and 4 days before Twickenham that was a 7 day turnaround?

Something like Monster Jam would actually take a week to turn around yet it would be easy for PS to organise that for a week earlier so as the stadium was available for the final, no doubt the league would actually jump at the chance for it to host it too but it's obviously not cost effective enough for the stadium to host two events and one is better Erm

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:00 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Just answering your question Marty.

The overlapping of set up times on consecutive weekends would become a factor. They don't do events on consecutive weeknds because it takes so long to set up and take down. The Rolling Stones / U2 sets for instance take 7 days in a stadium - 4 days setting up and performing, and 2 days to take down and leave.

But as you were - you know best - right?

So when the Stones played Cardiff 6 days after Murrayfield(it's a wonder they were able to host the final with the other events they stage Rolling Eyes ) and 4 days before Twickenham that was a 7 day turnaround?

Something like Monster Jam would actually take a week to turn around yet it would be easy for PS to organise that for a week earlier so as the stadium was available for the final, no doubt the league would actually jump at the chance for it to host it too but it's obviously not cost effective enough for the stadium to host two events and one is better Erm

You know best Marty. I'm sure your ITK status of Cardiff's stadiums and their logistical procedures is contributing heavily in making this thread the interesting, well debated discussion it is.

The Monster Jam is always on the same weekend in May I believe. Probably a routine thing.

I do like the notion that the Pro14 not being held in Wales is the fault of Welsh rugby fans though. I'm going to be chuckling at that one for a while.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:01 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

Ok, so why is it viable for the Irish / Scots?


Because they have more venues of bigger capacity. And those stadiums don't have other events in May / June. And because Ireland are (almost) guaranteed a finalist.

How many bigger capacity venues do Ireland have then?

At least 1.

Combined, Ireland and Scotland probably have about 6. Wales has 1.

This is really embarrassing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardiff_City_Stadium

Big is over 50k


Seriously? You said bigger capacity not big, a bigger capacity is a number higher so stop setting arbitrary numbers just to make yourself look less moronic

So you think the Pro14 could potentially want to revert back to a stadium that has a 33k capacity, after having the last 4 finals in venues over 50k?

That's progress eh?

Who's "moronic" ? Very Happy Very Happy

Obviously you since the last 4 finals have been at Ravenhill, Murrayfield and the last two at the Aviva. That's 3 finals at 50k stadiums, not to mention the game at Murrayfield drew just over the capacity of CCS so more than capable of meting the needs

Not to mention the topic was available stadium to bid with and having bigger stadium available which Wales do

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:03 pm

marty2086 wrote:

Obviously you since the last 4 finals have been at Ravenhill, Murrayfield and the last two at the Aviva. That's 3 finals at 50k stadiums,

4 including Celtic Park Marty. We're talking about future venues here.

not to mention the game at Murrayfield drew just over the capacity of CCS so more than capable of meting the needs

This is a perfect example of why it wouldn't be sensible for the Principality stadium to host it. Thanks.

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:04 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Just answering your question Marty.

The overlapping of set up times on consecutive weekends would become a factor. They don't do events on consecutive weeknds because it takes so long to set up and take down. The Rolling Stones / U2 sets for instance take 7 days in a stadium - 4 days setting up and performing, and 2 days to take down and leave.

But as you were - you know best - right?

So when the Stones played Cardiff 6 days after Murrayfield(it's a wonder they were able to host the final with the other events they stage Rolling Eyes ) and 4 days before Twickenham that was a 7 day turnaround?

Something like Monster Jam would actually take a week to turn around yet it would be easy for PS to organise that for a week earlier so as the stadium was available for the final, no doubt the league would actually jump at the chance for it to host it too but it's obviously not cost effective enough for the stadium to host two events and one is better Erm

You know best Marty. I'm sure your ITK status of Cardiff's stadiums and their logistical procedures is contributing heavily in making this thread the interesting, well debated discussion it is.

The Monster Jam is always on the same weekend in May I believe. Probably a routine thing.

I do like the notion that the Pro14 not being held in Wales is the fault of Welsh rugby fans though. I'm going to be chuckling at that one for a while.

You believe it's the same weekend every year? Didn't you also say they always have other events in May? So what you meant is they hold one event every May? Since they've never hosted a concert in May

What would I know about how venues organise events, it's not like I work at a large entertainment venue.... Rolling Eyes

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:07 pm

marty2086 wrote:

You believe it's the same weekend every year? Didn't you also say they always have other events in May? So what you meant is they hold one event every May? Since they've never hosted a concert in May

I don't believe I said anything of the sort. You asked me of an example of an event hosted in May. I gave you one.


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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:07 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Ok what did the PS host this May then?

Monster Trucks Marty. As they will in May 2019.

So in the month of May, they hosted a total of 1 event? A whole week before the Pro14 final and couldn't possibly host the final because of that?

Just answering your question Marty.

The overlapping of set up times on consecutive weekends would become a factor. They don't do events on consecutive weeknds because it takes so long to set up and take down. The Rolling Stones / U2 sets for instance take 7 days in a stadium - 4 days setting up and performing, and 2 days to take down and leave.

But as you were - you know best - right?

So when the Stones played Cardiff 6 days after Murrayfield(it's a wonder they were able to host the final with the other events they stage Rolling Eyes ) and 4 days before Twickenham that was a 7 day turnaround?

Something like Monster Jam would actually take a week to turn around yet it would be easy for PS to organise that for a week earlier so as the stadium was available for the final, no doubt the league would actually jump at the chance for it to host it too but it's obviously not cost effective enough for the stadium to host two events and one is better Erm

You know best Marty. I'm sure your ITK status of Cardiff's stadiums and their logistical procedures is contributing heavily in making this thread the interesting, well debated discussion it is.

The Monster Jam is always on the same weekend in May I believe. Probably a routine thing.

I do like the notion that the Pro14 not being held in Wales is the fault of Welsh rugby fans though. I'm going to be chuckling at that one for a while.

No no, its the fault of market forces, other countries having superior facilities, monster trucks, speedway, ginger singers, Brexit, Premier Sports, the English for not letting you join our league

If you're so happy with the "Champions League level events", why are you constantly bleating about the "PrO'14" not giving Wales a chance

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:07 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Obviously you since the last 4 finals have been at Ravenhill, Murrayfield and the last two at the Aviva. That's 3 finals at 50k stadiums,

4 including Celtic Park Marty. We're talking about future venues here.

Really? So when you said

RugbyFan100 wrote:
So you think the Pro14 could potentially want to revert back to a stadium that has a 33k capacity, after having the last 4 finals in venues over 50k?

You didn't mean the last 4?

not to mention the game at Murrayfield drew just over the capacity of CCS so more than capable of meting the needs

This is a perfect example of why it wouldn't be sensible for the Principality stadium to host it. Thanks.[/quote]

Why? Not getting a full stadium doesn't mean it's not financially viable

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:09 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

You believe it's the same weekend every year? Didn't you also say they always have other events in May? So what you meant is they hold one event every May? Since they've never hosted a concert in May

I don't believe I said anything of the sort. You asked me of an example of an event hosted in May. I gave you one.


Again with the lies

RugbyFan100 wrote:The PS consistently organise events around the time of the Pro14 final, and then do not bid for the Pro14 final. They could bid for the Pro14 final. But they don't. Instead they host other events.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:13 pm

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No no, its the fault of market forces, other countries having superior facilities, monster trucks, speedway, ginger singers, Brexit, Premier Sports, the English for not letting you join our league

Very Happy No, it's the fault of the Pro14 for not being enough of a valued product to attract a viable bid. I understand why this would get under your skin though. It probably hurts that not many people in Wales would be bothered about watching an Irish rugby side. I mean they're hardly bothered about watching the Welsh sides for a start.

If you're so happy with the "Champions League level events", why are you constantly bleating about the "PrO'14" not giving Wales a chance

Because I prefer rugby to soccer.

This is an interesting conversation because it really highlights the duplicity of those posters that claim to want to "grow the game" and expand the Pro14's visibility, yet they're not bothered about trying to get the final held in the country that has won nearly 40% of Celtic League titles. Very Happy

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:14 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

You believe it's the same weekend every year? Didn't you also say they always have other events in May? So what you meant is they hold one event every May? Since they've never hosted a concert in May

I don't believe I said anything of the sort. You asked me of an example of an event hosted in May. I gave you one.


Again with the lies

RugbyFan100 wrote:The PS consistently organise events around the time of the Pro14 final, and then do not bid for the Pro14 final. They could bid for the Pro14 final. But they don't. Instead they host other events.

There's nothing inaccurate there Marty.

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Post by BamBam on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:31 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
BamBam wrote:

No no, its the fault of market forces, other countries having superior facilities, monster trucks, speedway, ginger singers, Brexit, Premier Sports, the English for not letting you join our league

Very Happy No, it's the fault of the Pro14 for not being enough of a valued product to attract a viable bid. I understand why this would get under your skin though. It probably hurts that not many people in Wales would be bothered about watching an Irish rugby side. I mean they're hardly bothered about watching the Welsh sides for a start.

If you're so happy with the "Champions League level events", why are you constantly bleating about the "PrO'14" not giving Wales a chance

Because I prefer rugby to soccer.

This is an interesting conversation because it really highlights the duplicity of those posters that claim to want to "grow the game" and expand the Pro14's visibility, yet they're not bothered about trying to get the final held in the country that has won nearly 40% of Celtic League titles. Very Happy

I'm English you melt, I couldn't give a fig about the Irish sides, I just don't like the Welsh victim mentality

If the country that has won nearly 40% of Celtic League titles wasn't so used to handouts and allowances, maybe they'd be capable of holding a final on their own merit

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:34 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

You believe it's the same weekend every year? Didn't you also say they always have other events in May? So what you meant is they hold one event every May? Since they've never hosted a concert in May

I don't believe I said anything of the sort. You asked me of an example of an event hosted in May. I gave you one.


Again with the lies

RugbyFan100 wrote:The PS consistently organise events around the time of the Pro14 final, and then do not bid for the Pro14 final. They could bid for the Pro14 final. But they don't. Instead they host other events.

There's nothing inaccurate there Marty.

Really? Then you can show where the WRU or PS have stated this?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:44 pm

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Really? Then you can show where the WRU or PS have stated this?

The WRU have never released a press statement on it - why would they?

BBC Sport understands the Principality Stadium pitch will have been taken up before the final, in preparation for hosting music events in the summer.

From BBC Sport.

The other events scheduled for May June constantly impinge upon the logistics of hosting a pro14 final Marty. They pulled out all the stops for the Champions League final though, due to it's prestige.

You can carry on thinking that it isn't hosted in Wales because of whatever bizarre reason you want.

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If the country that has won nearly 40% of Celtic League titles wasn't so used to handouts and allowances, maybe they'd be capable of holding a final on their own merit

What handouts? And why would the cessation of such handouts have a bearing on hosting a rugby final?

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:50 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Really? Then you can show where the WRU or PS have stated this?

The WRU  have never released a press statement on it - why would they?

BBC Sport understands the Principality Stadium pitch will have been taken up before the final, in preparation for hosting music events in the summer.

From BBC Sport.

The other events scheduled for May June constantly impinge upon the logistics of hosting a pro14 final Marty. They pulled out all the stops for the Champions League final though, due to it's prestige.

You can carry on thinking that it isn't hosted in Wales because of whatever bizarre reason you want.

Well you said it's accurate, so you are now saying the Principality bid for the final last year?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:52 pm

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote:

Really? Then you can show where the WRU or PS have stated this?

The WRU  have never released a press statement on it - why would they?

BBC Sport understands the Principality Stadium pitch will have been taken up before the final, in preparation for hosting music events in the summer.

From BBC Sport.

The other events scheduled for May June constantly impinge upon the logistics of hosting a pro14 final Marty. They pulled out all the stops for the Champions League final though, due to it's prestige.

You can carry on thinking that it isn't hosted in Wales because of whatever bizarre reason you want.

Well you said it's accurate, so you are now saying the Principality bid for the final last year?

No, they did not bid for the final as far as I'm aware. There were reports they were "keen", but it sounded like a half arsed attempt to pay lip service to the process, as they are never going to be in a position to host the final if they have other priorities which make more money.


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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 08 Aug 2018, 1:53 pm

George Carlin wrote:Lads. Do I need to get the hose and the big net? Or can we tone down the animosity to 10?

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