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Post by TightHEAD on Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:52 pm

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Post by alanmackie6 on Sun Aug 05, 2018 3:18 am

Rumour has it John Mitchell,a very successful Coach,not popular but good.Maybe he`s in line
for top job.If EJfails to avoid RFU ultimatum irony he was the only man to apply for job in
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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Sun Aug 05, 2018 5:55 pm

It will be costly, he is under contract until the end of the 2019 season

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Wed Aug 22, 2018 9:40 am

Seems to be taking a long time to strike a deal, are the "skint" RFU baulking at the contract buy out price?

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed Sep 05, 2018 10:56 am

So no nearer to Gustard's replacement being named, yet we have lost even more of the coaching team in the last couple of weeks.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed Sep 05, 2018 11:58 am

'I know do you?' says Tighthead at the beginning of August...then adds the cryptic: Welcome Home.

Hmmmm... given the developments I'd guess that Tighthead heard that Andy Farrell was bagged and was going 'home'????  Only Tighthead himself will confirm or deny that was the name he was thinking of.

But the info in the last few weeks is that Farrell was approached and turned the offer down.  So - RFU don't get their man?  Or maybe Farrell will do a double agent on it and even after a hatful of denials, turn up in England kit over the next few months.  Stranger things have happened.  We wait.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:31 pm

Finally Tighthead gets his man. £200k compensation paid to secure a new defence coach, who has never done that job before.

I wish I could say unbelievable, but I can now believe anything from the laughing stock that is English rugby.

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Post by BamBam on Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:40 pm

The people who've been made redundant will be pleased that £200k was found

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Post by lostinwales on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:15 pm

BamBam wrote:The people who've been made redundant will be pleased that £200k was found

Well at least they know why the RFU can't afford them anymore

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT on Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 pm

"Jones suggested earlier this month Mitchell would be tasked with improving England's ability to turn defence into attack"

I didn't think we had an issue with turning defence into attack in SA anyway, we looked good in that area, it was the simple defending that let us down, it was rubbish throughout the 6N and in SA.

If the breakdown is considered turning D into A, then yes he is right, but we seem to have so many young jackelers at the moment I am not sure that that will be a problem if the reffing of the breakdown is the same as in the GP games.


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Post by hugehandoff on Tue Sep 18, 2018 6:06 pm

for once I think there is unanimous agreement that we are not inspired by this decision. yet another foreign coach who hardly deserves this based on his track record. What really annoyed me was reading that he is also the long term successor to Eddie when he steps down.

Fingers crossed that this works out and at least he looks a mean mother!

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Post by nathan on Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:54 pm

He was defence coach for Woodward in the 90's. About all he's done

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Post by alanmackie6 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:30 pm

Your joking i assume his CV is excellent including AB coach,in one year in RC he won back to
back matches putting 50 points on both SA and Aus AWAY.He coached the Golden Lions Curry
Cup side with Carlos Spencer,it is acknowledged his spade work.Laid the basis of the Lions
Super side and back bone of current Boks side.He`s a prickly customer not popular with
players but gets results.

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Post by lostinwales on Tue Sep 18, 2018 10:36 pm

hugehandoff wrote:for once I think there is unanimous agreement that we are not inspired by this decision. yet another foreign coach who hardly deserves this based on his track record. What really annoyed me was reading that he is also the long term successor to Eddie when he steps down.

Fingers crossed that this works out and at least he looks a mean mother!

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Post by Cyril on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:08 pm

Mitchell has a better record than Gatland or Schmidt in world terms. As has Jones.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:22 pm

I was reading the views of a few South African fans from the side he's just left and most are very dissapointed he's leaving. They say he's put so much of the plans down that are bringing the success now...and they want to see him continue.

And maybe he'll stop Jones from beasting the players too much in training...

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Post by alanmackie6 on Tue Sep 18, 2018 11:40 pm

Mitchells AB record played 28 won 24,drew 1 lost 3 then sacked because he did`nt win a RWC.
Only Graham Henry was given a second chance.

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Post by Cyril on Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:09 am

To be honest, Mitchell is just what we need again. Straight forward and honest. Good appointment (for however long it is).

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:33 am

nathan wrote:He was defence coach for Woodward in the 90's. About all he's done

Forwards coach (and a good one). Do not believe he has ever been a defence coach until now.

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:28 am

Maybe he can help with the forwards aswell...

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Post by The Great Aukster on Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:42 pm

Will his main role be to coach Eddie to defend against all the flak he's receiving?

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:56 pm

Just read on Sky Sports that Mitchell will not be based in England.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:06 pm

? Where will he be based? Brussels?

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:42 pm

Will still be living in Durban, apparently.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:47 pm

He must have made that a condition of his taking the job. A long commute to your day job! - and I assume any England coaching role has little in the way of flexi-time, especially leading into the most important of years.

Wonder did he negotiate business or first class travel for the duration of his contract?

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Post by GeordieFalcon on Wed Sep 19, 2018 1:56 pm

The farce of the England circus continues.

Post world Cup can we not just get Rob Baxter or some other English Coach to stop us being a laughing stock.

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Post by SecretFly on Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:03 pm

Oh I wouldn't be so pessimistic so early, Geordie. The thing might work great. It's just unusual to be based so far away from a big job like England defence coach, especially as I say, leading into 2019. But I don't think that will be a factor in whether or not he's an effective addition to the coaching team.

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Post by lostinwales on Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:12 pm

LondonTiger wrote:Will still be living in Durban, apparently.

It is odd but if he's settled there..

Similar time zone and most of the time when he will be having actual contact with the team everyone will be away from home.

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Post by Pie on Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:22 pm

I expect Eddie Jones is none too pleased about the new Head Coach getting the job before the RWC. I cant imagine Eddie would enjoy having a personality as big or bigger than himself in the spotlight.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:58 pm

Quite the conspiracy theory.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:30 pm

Mitchelss record with counter attacking is very good. And its probably good timing that the world cups so close as it doesnt give the players time to hate him as have others.

The points of interest will be how he gets on with Jones as second or less in charge as one, hes not used to that, and two, lost to Jones in the match that ultimately costing him his title, Mitchell thinking tgat he’d have had a good shot at the 2003 final given the closeness of the England NZ matches at the time.

Mitchells probably learnt a lot and had good initial runs with the Force and better with the Lions, influencing the way they still play today.

But ultimately, theyre both change masters and under Mitchell I can see England taking and maybe struggling to accept some risk taking when theyre asked to run everything back from sixty meters out.

Will be interesting.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:08 pm

How is that Taylor? I know you've said you know nothing of the nh game etc but even someone with limited views must know that englands backs have been stronger part of their team since the latter part of Lancaster s reign?

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:37 am

The V bros wingers with the the gouger at the back?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:48 am

Not sure I understand that at all either king.

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Post by kingelderfield on Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:22 am

Do you really think our backs "have been a stronger part of our game".
Since when?
Seriously, I'm not sure I understand that at all 7?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:26 am

Yeah since before the world cup. That's what made it so strange that Lancaster tried to move to a forward based game plan. I know they're not packed with wasps but our backline is lethal.

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Post by Taylorman on Mon Sep 24, 2018 1:46 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:How is that Taylor? I know you've said you know nothing of the nh game etc but even someone with limited views must know that englands backs have been stronger part of their team since the latter part of Lancaster s reign?

Name one? The highest missed tackle counting Farrell perhaps. Which back is anywhere near a world best XV?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:02 am

Jees louise. You need to watch more rugby.

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Post by maestegmafia on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:37 am

So I guess that JM is being lined up to take over from Eddie after the RWC?

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:58 am

Taylorman wrote:Name one? The highest missed tackle counting Farrell perhaps. Which back is anywhere near a world best XV?

Our backs have still been better than our forwards. Farrell, Watson and Daly were key members of the Lions team that shared the series with you, while Jonny May was far and away our best player in SA this summer.

If Mitchell was returning to us as Forwards coach looking to do what he did last time and turn the pack into what the Aussie press described as a bunch of white orcs I would be happy. As it is he is the defensive coach, a job he has never done. Maybe this job will incorporate breakdown work, but I doubt his remit will have anything to do with counterattacking (something I think you described as a strength of his earlier in the thread).

I hope he flew in for this weeks England training camp, rather than skyping from Durban.

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Post by Gooseberry on Mon Sep 24, 2018 9:46 am

GeordieFalcon wrote:The farce of the England circus continues.

Post world Cup can we not just get Rob Baxter or some other English Coach to stop us being a laughing stock.

Because absolutely noone laughed at England under Robinson, Ashton, Johnson and Lancaster?

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Post by Taylorman on Tue Sep 25, 2018 6:36 am

LondonTiger wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Name one? The highest missed tackle counting Farrell perhaps. Which back is anywhere near a world best XV?

Our backs have still been better than our forwards. Farrell, Watson and Daly were key members of the Lions team that shared the series with you, while Jonny May was far and away our best player in SA this summer.

If Mitchell was returning to us as Forwards coach looking to do what he did last time and turn the pack into what the Aussie press described as a bunch of white orcs I would be happy. As it is he is the defensive coach, a job he has never done. Maybe this job will incorporate breakdown work, but I doubt his remit will have anything to do with counterattacking (something I think you described as a strength of his earlier in the thread).

I hope he flew in for this weeks England training camp, rather than skyping from Durban.

I heard one of his briefs was to turn defence into attack. Theres no better way of doing that than counterattacking. Which, hes very familiar with, some saying he brought that to the ABs first.

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