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Post by alfie on Sun 12 Aug 2018, 12:17 pm

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Off goes Rahul...at least he doesn't waste a review ! That was stone dead.
Jimmy on course for ten ?

Rahane in next as Kohli was off the field too long...

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:22 pm

less than a 100....5wickets in hand....the game goes into the lottery zone
anything can happen....and chance /luck will have a BIG role now
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:27 pm

Pant perishes at cover...brave little cameo ; but still nearly a hundred to get. A lot on Rahane.

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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:29 pm

alfie wrote:Pant perishes at cover...brave little cameo ; but still nearly a hundred to get.  A lot on Rahane.

nope only 95 to get....wihs pant had struck anotehr 15 runs...but it is what it is
we need ashwin to play normally and get a 30 run paprtnership here
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:31 pm

Of course , India's last two helped Pujara put on eighty in the first innings...

But there is more pressure when the game is on the line. If Ashwin gets out , Rahane will have to consider his options.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:33 pm

KP_fan wrote:
alfie wrote:Pant perishes at cover...brave little cameo ; but still nearly a hundred to get.  A lot on Rahane.

nope only 95 to get....wihs pant had struck anotehr 15 runs...but it is what it is
we need ashwin to play normally and get a 30 run paprtnership here

Isn't 95 "nearly a hundred " ? Smile

Close enough for me.

They certainly need something from Ashwin !

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:36 pm

Rahane trapped lbw by Moeen. That is a massive blow to India.
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:37 pm

India need 92 runs withe England after 3 more wickets and they are into the tail.


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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:38 pm

Rahane falls to Moeen !

Surely that's the match ?

(Insert Leslie Neilsen joke : " No , three wickets to go. And stop calling me Shirley ")

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:39 pm

alfie wrote:Rahane falls to Moeen !

Surely that's the match ?

(Insert Leslie Neilsen joke : " No , three wickets to go. And stop calling me Shirley ")

laughing Classic film.
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:40 pm

well its coming apart now
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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:43 pm

KP_fan wrote:well its coming apart now

And some more...

Ishant out for a duck trapped lbw by Stokes. England 2 wickets away from wrapping up the series win.


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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:43 pm

Eight down now . Stokes traps Ishant for a duck and I might get some sleep after all.

Thought it would be an lbw day.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:46 pm

alfie wrote:Eight down now .  Stokes traps Ishant for a duck and I might get some sleep after all.

Thought it would be an lbw day.

And Holding who checked out of his hotel this morning might not need to book another room! Wink

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:48 pm

Ironically , Ishant would have been reprieved on referral ...but Kohli and Rahane used up the reviews.
Not that you could blame them , really. You don't leave reviews for the rabbits : they aren't going to save you if the bats can't do it.

Shami will swing the bat , I guess. But if they get another 85 I'm giving up watching cricket...

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:50 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:Eight down now .  Stokes traps Ishant for a duck and I might get some sleep after all.

Thought it would be an lbw day.

And Holding who checked out of his hotel this morning might not need to book another room! Wink

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Indeed. Michael is a pretty good judge , it seems.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:52 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:Rahane falls to Moeen !

Surely that's the match ?

(Insert Leslie Neilsen joke : " No , three wickets to go. And stop calling me Shirley ")

laughing  Classic film.

Craig - bit subtle for your film comedy tastes I would have thought. Wink

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:54 pm

This is some collapse now. Moeen with a chance of a ten for on recall

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:54 pm

Moeen gets his 4th wicket as Shami goes aerial and Anderson takes the catch. England on the brink.
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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:54 pm

I guess Moeen has to get man of the match, his wickets plus a contribution with the bat. He even stepped in as number three batsman in the second innings to protect Root, aging the ball by a few overs. Honorary mention to Sam Curran who was last man out in both England innings, scoring 124 (78+46), and being involved in partnerships that added 253 (160+93) to England's score.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:54 pm

Shami holes out to Jimmy at long on...

Mo will fancy another Michelle here clap

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:55 pm

guildfordbat wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:Rahane falls to Moeen !

Surely that's the match ?

(Insert Leslie Neilsen joke : " No , three wickets to go. And stop calling me Shirley ")

laughing  Classic film.

Craig - bit subtle for your film comedy tastes I would have thought. Wink

My cup of tea with non PC humour galore.
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:57 pm

No name Bertie wrote:I guess Moeen has to get man of the match, his wickets plus a contribution with the bat.  He even stepped in as number three batsman in the second innings to protect Root, aging the ball by a few overs. Honorary mention to Sam Curran who was last man out in both England innings, scoring 124 (78+46), and being involved in partnerships that added 253 (160+93) to England's score.

Not much doubt about that , I think. Back with a bang , you might say. Out bowled Ashwin too , which is quite a feat OK

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 4:58 pm

alfie wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
alfie wrote:Eight down now .  Stokes traps Ishant for a duck and I might get some sleep after all.

Thought it would be an lbw day.

And Holding who checked out of his hotel this morning might not need to book another room! Wink

Smile

Indeed. Michael is a pretty good judge , it seems.

Yep, he is. Smile

More seriously, I know some of the younger posters aren't keen on Holding's punditry but I like him and in any case believe it's good to have viewpoints from those of different eras, not just the most recently retired. That said, it doesn't mean I'm changing my mind about Botham in the commentary box!

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

CaledonianCraig wrote:
guildfordbat wrote:
CaledonianCraig wrote:
alfie wrote:Rahane falls to Moeen !

Surely that's the match ?

(Insert Leslie Neilsen joke : " No , three wickets to go. And stop calling me Shirley ")

laughing  Classic film.

Craig - bit subtle for your film comedy tastes I would have thought. Wink

My cup of tea with non PC humour galore.

I'll need to watch it and enjoy it again then soon. Wink


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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:12 pm

The underused Curran gets a crack at Bumrah...

Come on Sam I'm getting a bit tired...2 am here. Ha...Bumrah did his bet to edge one but couldn't quite manage it.

Over to you , Mo.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:16 pm

Ashwin chipping away. Get Anderson and Broad back on to finish this off

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:22 pm

Curran wraps up the win trapping Ashwin lbw. England win by 60 runs and England take a winning 3-1 lead in the series.
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Post by KP_fan on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:23 pm

We lost it in Pandya and Pant.....these guys delivered 18 runs in 4 innings between them
if they had averaged even 25 runs......we would have had 82 runs more.....and we could have still lost but the game would have gone to the wire

There are no ifs and buts I know....but for next game India cannot go with liabilities like Pandya and Pant
Jadeja for Pandya
and karthik for Pant for the last game
or radical....play Rahul as a WK and hanuma vihari at No.6

we've gotta try and win two tests...I think we have won only once 2 tests in eng that was in 1986
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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:23 pm

All done ...Sam gets the last wicket and you can celebrate the series win !

For all their flaws , England have deserved that. Kept their nerve , and in the end that was a team effort today thumbsup

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Post by JDizzle on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:24 pm

Curran traps Ashwin LBW and that is the game and the series. As many holes and weaknesses as this England team have, they are still bloody hard to beat at home.

I expect we will see Jamie Porter make his debut at the Oval now - and Moeen has to be MoM.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:25 pm

Another cracking test match. It had it all. Great batting performances, great bowling both of seam and spin, tension and a close battle throughout.
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Post by No name Bertie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:28 pm

Why was Sam Curran dropped in the third test? He has been one of England's star players of the series.

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Post by alfie on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:29 pm

KP_fan wrote:We lost it in Pandya and Pant.....these guys delivered 18 runs in 4 innings between them
if they had averaged even 25 runs......we would have had 82 runs more.....and we could have still lost but the game would have gone to the wire

There are no ifs and buts I know....but for next game India cannot go with liabilities like Pandya and Pant
Jadeja for Pandya
and karthik for Pant for the last game
or radical....play  Rahul as a WK and hanuma vihari at No.6

we've gotta try and win two tests...I think we have won only once 2 tests in eng that was in 1986

Well England don't win too many back in India , either.

Reckon India have fought hard : in home conditions I always think England are more likely to win - although this time the Indian seamers did so well they made it a real battle. In the end the difference between the sides has been the England batting depth. But credit to both teams for another fine match OK

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Post by wisden on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 5:51 pm

Delighted with the series win, but so many glaring problems that this will probably paper over!

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 6:13 pm

I thought India were well equipped to compete here, and they have certainly given England a scare. But for a wicket here and there could easily have been 3-1 to India at this stage

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Post by Duty281 on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 7:16 pm

Good win from England, just like the first test they completed a highly improbable comeback which was led by Sam Curran.

I think 3-1 flatters England enormously and, as VTR says, it could just as easily be 3-1 to India.

As a result of this series win, England will now ignore their problems for a good while longer. Which can't be good.

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Post by CaledonianCraig on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 7:33 pm

Let us remember that India are ranked No 1 in the world. England have won the series despite a non-functioning top batting order but down to excellent middle order batting and seam/spin attack. Sure England need to address their top order batting but at the end of the day winning tests is what matters and at the moment England are doing that. The Sky pundits (think it was Nasser) made a good point in that for the lambasting the top order are taking India's top order has faired perhaps even worse.

Anyway England have a few decisions to make prior to the tour of Sri Lanka. Do they stick with Buttler as the wicket-keeper or hand the gloves back to Bairstow? Do they stick with Jennings as an opener or look elsewhere? Who do they slot in to No 3 since Root does not want to bat there? I think the seam attack kind of picks itself at the moment in the form of Anderson, Broad, Curran and Woakes as the primary choices and Moeen and Rashid leading the spin attack.
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Post by Gooseberry on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 7:53 pm

No name Bertie wrote:Why was Sam Curran dropped in the third test?  He has been one of England's star players of the series.

Hes only an average bowler, and thats what hes in the side for.
Woakes came in, scored a century and took a load of wickets.

That hes scored SO much with the bat is a big surprise to everyone, including him. Whilst his talent was recognised hes never achieved much in first class cricket to suggest he'd come in and do as well as he has. Hes never scored a first class century

When it really comes to it hes not one of the best 4 seamers England have, nor does his pace (lack of) solve the big problem England have to improve their chances overseas. His figures are very good for a 20 year old at the start of his career, but that is relative to how others have performed in the series and Indias complete inability to bat.

Hes a long term prospect who needs to improve his bowling, or become a good enough bat he could be selected on that (not just the performances hes shown in this test series). He was selected early and young because other were injured, and like Crane/Bess/Pope that he did and if he is again dropped to allow senior players to return doesn't mean his careers over.

Hopefully he will get the coaching an opportunities to push on. Longer term hes a real prospect. But hes not ready yet to be picked as a pure bat, and not a good enough bowler to push out first choices when everyones fully fit.

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Post by VTR on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 8:17 pm

I agree with Gooseberry's assessment. His batting has been a massive and unexpected bonus. Yes he's known to be able to bat, but to come in twice and change the game no one would realistically have called that. Great that he did though, and aged only 20 the potential as a batting all rounder looks very high

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Post by Nathaniel Jacobs on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 8:35 pm

The toss has proven to be most significant factor in the entire series. Root was fortunate he won the toss in every match - despite he moronic decision to bowl in Nottingham. Had the tosses been the opposite way around we could easily be 0-4 down as Kohli would've batted in Nottingham anyway.

The side is clearly in decline once Anderson and Broad leave the scene we may well struggle to even win at home.

Curran has been a decent find more for his batting, bowling isn't anything to write home about yet.

Moeen a decent comeback but his issues are he's hopeless away from England.

Cook and Jennings need scores at the Oval or i would hope both are dropped for Sri Lanka.

Root has shown in this series he's not of the class of a Smith, Kohli or Williamson. His stock has fallen big time.

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Post by guildfordbat on Sun 02 Sep 2018, 8:50 pm

Nathaniel Jacobs wrote:The toss has proven to be most significant factor in the entire series. Root was fortunate he won the toss in every match - despite he moronic decision to bowl in Nottingham. Had the tosses been the opposite way around we could easily be 0-4 down as Kohli would've batted in Nottingham anyway.

The side is clearly in decline once Anderson and Broad leave the scene we may well struggle to even win at home.

Curran has been a decent find more for his batting, bowling isn't anything to write home about yet.

Moeen a decent comeback but his issues are he's hopeless away from England.

Cook and Jennings need scores at the Oval or i would hope both are dropped for Sri Lanka.


Root has shown in this series he's not of the class of a Smith, Kohli or Williamson. His stock has fallen big time.

Dropping is easy. Replacing is less so.


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