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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 06 Sep 2018, 3:45 pm

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1).Round 3 of the FedEx Play-Offs gets underway shortly with the BMW Championship at Aronimink GC in the Philadelphia area, a Donald Ross design that's been tweaked in the years, most recently by Gil Hanse a few years ago. Aronimink will also host the 2027 PGA Championship, a return visit 65 years after Gary Player won the PGA.
Aronimink also hosted the 2010 & 2011 AT&T National (won by Justin Rose & Nick Watney respectively) so a few of this week's competitors have at least a couple of rounds of course experience; Leishman, Jason Day, Snedeker, Chas Howell, Scott, Kirk, Simpson and Cantlay all with top 25 finishes, Rose twice.

2).I'm sure Shotrock will offer on-the-spot observations and his account of course set-up/conditions last week was very interesting.
Further to the broken record about course set-ups favouring the bombers, the only clarification I would add is that the Tour presumably makes a decision about how the course would play in certain conditions.
Perhaps one day it will specify conditions that, regardless of weather, will favour accuracy. Otherwise, the Koepka mantra of "I'll back my wedge from the rough against someone with a 6-iron in the fairway" will prevail every time. No problem with that (from the rough), but perhaps conditions (creeks, trees, heather/gorse, deeper sand traps) off the fairway might be a little more penal.

3).Daniel Berger is just 12 months removed from Presidents Cup play - only one Top Ten (a conditions-aided 6th at Shinnecock) since then and now he's turning down this week's guaranteed money and shutting it down for a while with wrist problems. Not my favourite pro, but hope he's back fit and back to form soon.

4).Charley Hoffman's Top Ten-less year continued at TPC Boston leaving Phil Mickelson as the only golfer to play all 12 BMW Championships in the FedEx Play-Offs.

5).I'm still not sure how Thomas Bjorn managed to rationalise excluding Rafa from his chosen few - reckon that's a disastrous decision. Wonder if he felt he could not choose Sergio over Henrik (or vice versa) and so chose both? They both owe Bjorn big time.

6).While we weren't paying attention a few "notables" from days gone by have already earned enough in web.com Finals events including Tour winners Streb, Malnati, Mahan, Matt Jones plus another Aussie Open winner in Cameron Davis. The WTF's take this week off and resume next Thursday.

7).Who do you fancy at Aronimink? No doubt Justin Rose will be pleased to return to a happy hunting ground, but I wonder if Paul Casey might feel he has something to prove? He has a strong career record in the Play-Offs and earns my half crown e.w..
Looking forward to the action and hope Shotrock can offer some insight from inside the ropes.

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Post by pedro on Wed 12 Sep 2018, 5:27 pm

NedB-H wrote:Tadd Fujikawa, of 15 year old in the US Open fame, has come out as gay. Not a main tour player, he’s spent a decade on the mini tours and is further away from even the Web.com than ever, but still I think he’s the first male pro to come out, so a big step.
According to Mac he should be given Mulligans on each hole. And of course a handicap.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 12 Sep 2018, 6:47 pm

Dustin Johnson is denying rumours he's been playing away again.
Haven't yet seen confirmation that he's seeking advice on therapy from Mr.Woods.

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Post by GPB on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 12:39 pm

On the eve of the Evian Championship, some harsh words about the state of Golf in France, despite the Ryder Cup from the Evian Founder.

http://www.globalgolfpost.com/now/2018/09/12/quick-take-evian-championship-founder-assails-french-golf-culture


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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 12:59 pm

Haven't seen any golf this morning but see Kevin Stadler has waddled his way onto the leaderboard. Assume he'll resume his Tour career at the Safeway - hope we won't have to offer "some harsh words"(!) about his appearance.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 8:49 pm

I suppose 'tis the season: golfchannel.com reporting that Martin Kaymer has split with caddie Craig Connelly.
Kaymer needs to do something to jump-start his career, maybe this will be the change he needs - unlikely he relishes the kind of season he's going through.


Plus:
Food for thought, or derision, in this survey:

https://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/2018/09/12/anonymous-pga-tour-survey-tiger-woods-donald-trump/


Interesting assessment of talent and ball striking - I like the Stenson: "even when he shanks it, it's flush."

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Post by McLaren on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 2:22 pm

Thanks for posting that Kwini, some interesting reading.  

Do 90% of players polled really think Tiger will win another major?  I am his biggest fan and I acknowledge his recent progress but even I find that hard to believe.  I guess they might be a better judge of what a player is capable.  And on a similar note I thought the consensus was that golden boy was predicted to be the top major winner of his generation, but according to tour pro's JT is the man to beat?

Only 44% admit to witnessing a playing partner cheat.  Can't decide if that is really high or really low?


And of no surprise was that 56% voted for Trump, I assume only 56% of those polled were eligible to vote in the US.
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Post by McLaren on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 2:31 pm

The turn around in Tigers fortunes and Rose at number one shows just how hard it is to predict what a golf season will turn out like. 

The perceived wisdom at the start of the year was that Spieth, JT and DJ would dominate with one of them almost certain to occupy the top spot in OWGR and between them bag a few majors.  DJ and JT have obviously had good seasons but Rose has now sneaked ahead in OWGR terms.

Our major winners were Fatprick, Koepka x2 and Molinari and Rose sits atop the OWGR as the PGAT season approaches its conclusion.
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Post by NedB-H on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 2:34 pm

How it should be Mac. Sport is much more fun with an element of unpredictability. The main reason I’ve never been a Tiger fan, while respecting his record, is that when he was at his best it was so exciting to see someone - anyone - take him on and beat him.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 3:27 pm

Mac,
I'd think that he's shown that he can win again.
And next year's Majors, for instance, are at AN (obviously), Pebble Beach, and Bethpage where he clearly has a winning record, plus of course Portrush.
If he can keep his driver under control, you'd have to consider him on any short list at those venues. Don't you think?

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Post by GPB on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 4:28 pm

Rose may have the #1 ranking this week (and next), but he does not have a hammerlock on the ranking.

Per Prince Dracula, next week Rose will be at 10.25, Brooks at 10.20, DJ at 10.13. I would say that there is a better than 50/50 chance that Rose loses the #1 ranking.

Basically all Brooks has to do is beat Rose, DJ has to beat him and be in the Top 5 and JT has a chance as well (he will be at 9.57).

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Post by McLaren on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 8:28 pm

Gpb

True the top spot will probably change soon but not sure anyone saw rose getting there this season.

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I really don't think he can handle the pressure. If he could still win a major I think he would have found a way past Molinari, especially given he was playing with him.
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Post by NedB-H on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 10:22 pm

Mac that just means he can’t go out and seal a major over the home stretch like he used to. You could even make the argument that he never did, given that all 14 were from the third round lead. He could certainly back door himself one a la Ogilvy though.

For the record I don’t think he’ll win another either. But I’m less confident in that opinion than at any time since he drove into the fire hydrant.

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Post by super_realist on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 8:00 am

NedB-H wrote:Mac that just means he can’t go out and seal a major over the home stretch like he used to. You could even make the argument that he never did, given that all 14 were from the third round lead. He could certainly back door himself one a la Ogilvy though.

For the record I don’t think he’ll win another either. But I’m less confident in that opinion than at any time since he drove into the fire hydrant.

According to GPB view of golf, Woods only won 14 Majors because everyone else played rubbish, and "sucks at majors"


For the record, I don't see why Tiger Moobs couldn't win a major. he's been close this year to a couple, and if he could shake off this new standard he seems to have adopted of being a 3 round player just once I could see him winning another major. I sincerely hope he doesn't, but I think he could win on an easy Open course, although time is obviously running out for him and the current crop of top players are certainly better than he is.


Mac, what are you on about?, Rose has been knocking on the door of #1 virtually all season and has had numerous chances to get there. It's silly to say no one saw it coming this season. He, alongside Koepka and BCB have probably been the stand out players of the year.


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Post by GPB on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 3:08 pm

super_realist wrote:

According to GPB view of golf, Woods only won 14 Majors because everyone else played rubbish, and "sucks at majors"
Doh Whistle Erm laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing

Holy Out of Context, Batman.

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 1:59 pm

Caught the climax of the Evian Championship on Sunday. Quite nice to see a bit of women's golf, the men's game has the power and incredible ball striking, but the women's game has to make up for it with shot making and is more relatable to an amateur.

Amy Olsen with the biggest choke I've seen since Van der Velde. Obviously not on the same scale, but playing the 18th with a 1 shot lead...
choke 1: pulled her tee shot into the rough. Understandable given pressure she got a bit quick and smothered it left.
choke 2: having decided to lay up (sensible), she then duffed her pitch 40 yards into the rough.
choke 3: her approach from 135 yards found the front of the green, the pin was right at the back so she left herself at least 50 feet for par to win.
first putt: not a choke, she ran her long par putt at the hole but about 8 feet past and at least it finished below the hole.
choke 4: 8 feet up hill putt to make the play off... and she didn't hit it. How can you leave it short! A putt to nothing!

I hope she recovers from this. That's the sort of thing that can haunt a player for years.

On the other hand, tremendous bottle from the winner Angela Stanford to bounce back from a double bogey on 16 and birdie 17 then almost birdie 18.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 3:21 pm

Sang Moon Bae dominated the third round of the four web.com Finals, but two others who almost certainly have secured their PGA Tour cards for next year are Dylan Frittelli and Curtis Luck.

Plus: Paul Broadhurst won his third Champions Tour event of the year, in Michigan - he's now won almost $1.5M this year with a few more tournaments still to go.

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Post by Diggers on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 8:02 pm

I find the senior tour money insane, would love to see how the financial model works. I get that people want to watch “legends” battling away...but instead you get Paul Broadhurst, a golfing definition of mediocrity.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 8:58 pm

Someone who can keep the ball in the fairway, still has his touch around the greens and is an excellent putter will make a lot of Champions Tour money.
Big surprise this year is the extent to which Montgomerie's form has dropped off.

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Post by Diggers on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 9:00 pm

Is it a surprise? Not like he needed the money, now he’s convinced himself he’s a major winner he can get fat and happy.

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Post by BlueCoverman on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 9:32 pm

I walked with Monty in the Seniors Open at Porthcawl last year. He was paired with Corey Pavin who is notoriously slow and Monty was doing his nut. I couldn't believe just how agitated he was getting as the round progressed, I thought he was working his way up to a heart attack! I'm not sure the words Monty and happy will ever go together...

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Post by Diggers on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 10:10 pm

I can think of a few words to go with Monty.

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Post by GPB on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 10:53 pm

Cameron Champ is one of the Webbies that will be playing the PGATour next year. Hank Kuehne has the season record* for driving distance on the PGATour.

Cameron Champ averaged over 340 yds on the Webbie tour in 2018.

*BTW, Rory has a chance to beat Kuehne's record this week.

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Post by raycastleunited Yesterday at 10:36 am

Diggers wrote:Is it a surprise? Not like he needed the money, now he’s convinced himself he’s a major winner he can get fat and happy.

major winner
fat
happy

One out of three

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Post by raycastleunited Yesterday at 10:49 am

BlueCoverman wrote:I walked with Monty in the Seniors Open at Porthcawl last year. He was paired with Corey Pavin who is notoriously slow and Monty was doing his nut. I couldn't believe just how agitated he was getting as the round progressed, I thought he was working his way up to a heart attack! I'm not sure the words Monty and happy will ever go together...  

I followed Monty for the final round of the French Open at le Golf National. A long time ago now.... it was 1997 and Reteif Goosen won. Anyway, Monty was very much doing his nut then. Always looking for someone to blame for his poor shots. I remember standing on the tee with him and there were a few people crossing the fairway up ahead. It was uphill and they were out of range but he stood there huffing and puffing and shouting and gesticulating for them to move. He then leaked his tee shot off to the right and slammed his driver down and shouted "thank you" to the anonymous gallery 300+ yards up the hole. I thought he was going to wrap his club around someone / something, his face was bright red with rage. Is it any wonder he never had the nerve to win a major?

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Post by raycastleunited Yesterday at 11:47 am

Just had a look at the history of the French Open, and it was amazing to see the evolution of the prize fund in 10 years....

Goosen earned €140k for winning the 97 event.
In 2000 Monty picked up €200k for victory.
By 2002, Malcolm MacKenzie (who?) was earning €333k.
In 2005 Jean Francois Remesy (no.. me neither) collected a cool half a million.
But then in 2006 John Bickerton (another journeyman) pocketed a hefty €666k.

Not exactly a stellar winners list when you consider that in the 80's the names engraved on the trophy included Faldo, Langer, Norman, Ballesteros etc.

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Post by kwinigolfer Yesterday at 1:36 pm

. . . . . and then Thomas Levet won, jumped into the pond, broke his leg and was scarcely heard of, in a competitive sense anyway, again.
Though can't imagine why Tommy Bjorn didn't enlist him as a token-Francais VC for next week - maybe he did and was turned down?

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Post by wiretapper Yesterday at 3:03 pm

I like that journeymen win big golf tournaments more than other sports (tennis for example).

It's one of it's more appealing characteristics. Guy makes a basic living for years then bang, massive payday.

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Post by Diggers Yesterday at 4:51 pm

With so many of the bigger European names competing on the PGA tour (at least some of the time) seems we are getting a lot more less well known winners in Europe. I guess if you keep ploughing away then your number will come up sooner or later. You do get it in tennis as well, there are usually 2, 3 or even 4 events going on each week, you have to look to see who is winning what tournament and sometimes it's just because they are a surface specialist. Money doesn't tend to be as big for those weekly events in tennis so possibly not as life changing.

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Post by kwinigolfer Yesterday at 4:57 pm

This will take a while to digest:

https://www.pgatour.com/company/2018/090/18/pga-tour-changes-fedexcup-playoffs.html

Bottom line will be that the rich will get richer - will this increase the appeal of PGA Tour membership to those from other circuits? Not sure.

Bottom line will be:
How many play to win Majors?
How many play to win money?

Fine balance there for the 50 or 60 guys that this might affect in any given year. And falling between two membership stools can become even more career-damaging.

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Post by GPB Yesterday at 10:27 pm

Along with Spieth, Poulter was in violation of the New Event requirement.

Sounds like it is only a slap on wrist.  Not much of a deterrent.  Big Mistake IMO

https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-central-blog/spieths-schedule-violation-resolved-and-win-fans/

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Post by pedro Today at 12:05 am

Rules a la carte...
I wonder how Serena would have been penalised.

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Post by NedB-H Today at 12:21 am

I’ve read that this daft new handicap format for the Tour Championship is primarily because the Tour doesn’t like the idea of having to different champions (tournament and FedEx) at the end of the week. But if I’m not mistaken, they had uproar last year when the Champions Tour had the same situation, and Langer was denied a deserved season-long FedEx equivalent by (I think) Kevin Sutherland winning the Tour Champ equivalent. Is this a rare example of a sporting body getting bad response to something, and instead of backing down, doubling down on making the format worse than ever?

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Post by GPB Today at 12:32 am

A lot of God Bothering from Bernhard Langer in the Payne Stewart award presentation..

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Post by kwinigolfer Today at 1:12 am

NedB-H wrote:I’ve read that this daft new handicap format for the Tour Championship is primarily because the Tour doesn’t like the idea of having to different champions (tournament and FedEx) at the end of the week. But if I’m not mistaken, they had uproar last year when the Champions Tour had the same situation, and Langer was denied a deserved season-long FedEx equivalent by (I think) Kevin Sutherland winning the Tour Champ equivalent. Is this a rare example of a sporting body getting bad response to something, and instead of backing down, doubling down on making the format worse than ever?

They're already debating whether the Tour Championship victory should count as a "win". It's all so contrived.

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Post by GPB Today at 1:17 am

I don't like the change. IMO, the tour is kowtowing to the novice fan who can only think one level deep.

I don't see how it can count as an official win and it sure can't get OWGR points.

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Post by kwinigolfer Today at 1:40 am

Quite, but it's also kowtowing to the TV Networks whose sub-rudimentary grasp of arithmetic and basic data analysis is an annual embarrassment.
I think they need a Plan B pretty darn quick.

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