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Post by The Oracle on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 12:45 pm

Leinster's first big test of the season.  Dragons on a lengthy one game winning streak.  Should be a humdinger.

Discuss!

(I'll post teams when I find them).


Battle of the coaches:

Cullen


Vs.

Jackman


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Post by munkian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 12:50 pm

The D4 Jackeens are bringing their big guns out - cheer on the common man, c'mon Dragons Yahoo
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Post by SecretFly on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 1:37 pm

Finally a game that our well rested players can rest through..... Whistle

Only kidding, only kidding! Hug

I have a feeling Leinster will splutter this season. The common man might get his pound of flesh a good few times before the season ends.

Jackman is looking prettier than usual so he must be confident.

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 1:42 pm

For me as a Dragons fan this is about damage limitation, as much as it saddens me to say so. We’re notoriously shocking away from home and, as of the past 3 or 4 seasons, pretty shoite at home too. But away we just tend to fold.  On paper this should be a drubbing.

So I just want to see signs of progress. I’m not looking for a win as a sign of improvement or progress. I just don’t think that is anywhere near to happening. But what I’d like in inevitable defeat is no capitulation. We sometimes give teams a game for x minutes and then, when we go a few scores down, that’s it the flood gates open and it quickly becomes 50 points conceded. The opposition then take some players off to rest them, we get a late try or two, and the scoreline flatters us a bit. So for me, progress will be going a few scores down but somehow changing whatever it is we’re doing to allow the opposition to score and weather the storm. Just keeping the score respectable and not giving up after 50mins would be ace. Getting an LBP would be hugely positive!
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Post by The Oracle on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:11 pm

A bit of trivia for you.  If my research is correct.......

Dragons last away win in the league was against...... wait for it...... Leinster in Feb 2015.  On the one hand that is truly awful (from a Dragons point of view - 3 years without an away win!).  Worse than awful.  But on the other........ we're coming for ya Leinster!!!


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Post by SecretFly on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:21 pm

Yeah, 2015....NOT a vintage year for the auld Leinster grapes

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Re: Leinster v Dragons - Saturday 15th Sept - Match Thread

Post by Pot Hale on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:48 pm

Possible Leinster team for Saturday:

R Kearney, McFadden, Tomane, Henshaw, Lowe, Sexton, McGrath
Healy, Tracy, Abdaladze, Fardy, Ryan, Ruddock, VdF, Deegan
Cronin, Bent, Dooley/Furlong, Molony, Doris, McCarthy, Reid, D Kearney.
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Post by munkian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:49 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Possible Leinster team for Saturday:

R Kearney, McFadden, Tomane, Henshaw, Lowe, Sexton, McGrath
Healy, Tracy, Abdaladze, Fardy, Ryan, Ruddock, VdF, Deegan
Cronin, Bent, Dooley/Furlong, Molony, Doris, McCarthy, Reid, D Kearney.

Looks weak etc
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:53 pm

The Oracle wrote:A bit of trivia for you.  If my research is correct.......

Dragons last away win in the league was against...... wait for it...... Leinster in Feb 2015.  On the one hand that is truly awful (from a Dragons point of view - 3 years without an away win!).  Worse than awful.  But on the other........ we're coming for ya Leinster!!!

I'm pretty sure our last away league win was against Treviso later that season. Still a sh!t record, but marginally less sh!t Sad

Last season we threw our away games in Ireland and Jackman was rightly pilloried for it, so surely - surely - our first team will give them a game at least. We're sure to concede tries, because our defence coach isn't up to much and we couldn't afford to have Shaun Edwards as a consultant, but even so I just want us to make them work hard for their scores, and for the win. Even Dragons fans have pride!

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 2:54 pm

Leinster fans might find this worth reading:

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/16855858.chris-kirwan-fighting-the-irish-is-the-least-we-expect-from-dragons/

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 3:31 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
The Oracle wrote:A bit of trivia for you.  If my research is correct.......

Dragons last away win in the league was against...... wait for it...... Leinster in Feb 2015.  On the one hand that is truly awful (from a Dragons point of view - 3 years without an away win!).  Worse than awful.  But on the other........ we're coming for ya Leinster!!!

I'm pretty sure our last away league win was against Treviso later that season. Still a sh!t record, but marginally less sh!t Sad

Last season we threw our away games in Ireland and Jackman was rightly pilloried for it, so surely - surely - our first team will give them a game at least. We're sure to concede tries, because our defence coach isn't up to much and we couldn't afford to have Shaun Edwards as a consultant, but even so I just want us to make them work hard for their scores, and for the win. Even Dragons fans have pride!


Sorry, you're right. I missed that one somehow. Must have been momentarily dazzled by all of the W's in the 2014/15 results column! That season we won half our games! Strewth! Over half if you include 4 wins on the bounce in pre-season. Those were the days Sad
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Re: Leinster v Dragons - Saturday 15th Sept - Match Thread

Post by Stone Motif on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:11 pm

Same team for Bernie O'Jackman this week you reckon?
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:17 pm

I'd have thought so, minus Tyler Morgan.

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Post by munkian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:17 pm

Stone Motif wrote:Same team for Bernie O'Jackman this week you reckon?

He's said as much, I'll be disappointed if not.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:23 pm

Incidentally, the Ospreys have made 12 changes for their trip to Cork.

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Post by munkian on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:25 pm

Bit daft, Munster seem beatable at the moment.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:45 pm

Am I missing some sort of irony in you posting Christian Cullen as Leinster's head coach?

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:49 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Am I missing some sort of irony in you posting Christian Cullen as Leinster's head coach?

Humour, not irony Mikey. And that’s not a pic of Jackman either in case you’re wondering. Again, humour. Just try it to lighten the mood.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 4:53 pm

I had to look again then, I thought it was just Jackman having a day but upon tenth glance it's potato head himself!

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Post by Stone Motif on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 6:36 pm

The Oracle wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:Am I missing some sort of irony in you posting Christian Cullen as Leinster's head coach?

Humour, not irony Mikey. And that’s not a pic of Jackman either in case you’re wondering. Again, humour. Just try it to lighten the mood.
Ask him a question about rugby, it's comedy gold
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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 13 Sep 2018, 7:11 pm

^^^ WOL fawner/LD imitator is back. Surprised you're not reposting that rag.

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 5:02 pm

First home game for Leinster.

15. Rob Kearney (197)
14. Jordan Larmour (23)
13. Garry Ringrose (50)
12. Robbie Henshaw (25)
11. Dave Kearney (123)
10. Johnny Sexton (148) CAPTAIN
9. Jamison Gibson-Park (53)
1. Ed Byrne (24)
2. Seán Cronin (154)
3. Andrew Porter (32)
4. Scott Fardy (23)
5. James Ryan (15)
6. Max Deegan (23)
7. Josh van der Flier (60)
8. Jack Conan (75)

16. Bryan Byrne (27)
17. Peter Dooley (49)
18. Tadhg Furlong (85)
19. Ross Molony (65)
20. Caelan Doris (2)
21. Hugh O’Sullivan (0)
22. Noel Reid (101)
23. Joe Tomane (2)
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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 5:06 pm

Stone Motif wrote:Same team for Bernie O'Jackman this week you reckon?

His name is Bernard Jackman. Do you think calling him O’Jackman is funny or makes him more Irish sounding?

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 5:12 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:Same team for Bernie O'Jackman this week you reckon?

His name is Bernard Jackman.  Do you think calling him O’Jackman is funny or makes him more Irish sounding?


Any different to adding ‘boyo’ to stuff linked to welsh men (not you but people)?
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 5:25 pm

Oh I think it's a toy term for brotherly rivalry Pot.  Irish v Welsh - it's been a good game for the last decade or so.  Some take it way too seriously (even ever placid me at times  Whistle )  Others just play around with it and just enjoy the banter.

I don't see much boyo stuff in 606 though yet even I admit to playfully doing the O' stuff - mainly to jab at PhilBB Cool . Always own the insult is my mantra.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 14 Sep 2018, 6:54 pm

Pot Hale wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:Same team for Bernie O'Jackman this week you reckon?

His name is Bernard Jackman.  Do you think calling him O’Jackman is funny or makes him more Irish sounding?


I wouldn't engage with this idiot. He'll only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 6:45 pm

Gibson Park over for his second at the RDS. 38-3 after 58 minutes.

Followed by a scintillating run from his own half by the Dragons 15, Williams as he speeds over to score. RDS applauds - lovely try.

38-10.
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 6:48 pm

And Furlo gets his first of the season at home after grabbing a high pass from Gibson Park. 45-10.
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Post by Brendan on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 7:00 pm

I know dragons are losing but seem to be giving everything. Just not the skills.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 7:40 pm

The Oracle wrote:For me as a Dragons fan this is about damage limitation, as much as it saddens me to say so. We’re notoriously shocking away from home and, as of the past 3 or 4 seasons, pretty shoite at home too. But away we just tend to fold.  On paper this should be a drubbing.

So I just want to see signs of progress.  I’m not looking for a win as a sign of improvement or progress. I just don’t think that is anywhere near to happening. But what I’d like in inevitable defeat is no capitulation. We sometimes give teams a game for x minutes and then, when we go a few scores down, that’s it the flood gates open and it quickly becomes 50 points conceded. The opposition then take some players off to rest them, we get a late try or two, and the scoreline flatters us a bit. So for me, progress will be going a few scores down but somehow changing whatever it is we’re doing to allow the opposition to score and weather the storm. Just keeping the score respectable and not giving up after 50mins would be ace. Getting an LBP would be hugely positive!


So capitulation it was then!

Congrats Leinster. A different class clap
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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 7:57 pm

Cheers Oracle. Pity it wasn’t more of a contest. I like that full back of yours, Williams. It’d be nice to see him progress.
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Post by The Oracle on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 8:07 pm

Yeah, he set the Jnr World Cup alight a few years back but couldn’t really get a good run of games in the Scarlets team (Liam Williams at 15 and decent wingers ahead of him). Went to Bristol for a while and we've enticed him back. Dangerous runner and on paper part of an exciting back 3. It’s just proving difficult to get them the ball or get them in good positions to strike!
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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 9:14 pm

Nic Cudd had a great game, think Leinster would have been out of sight after 20 minutes if it wasn't for him. But you can't defend and disrupt for 80 minutes.

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Post by Stone Motif on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 9:43 pm

Jared Rosser scored five tries today v Connacht A Shocked Can see him stepping straight in for Amos
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Post by Pie on Sat 15 Sep 2018, 11:21 pm

Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.

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Post by Stone Motif on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 12:00 am

Pie wrote:Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.
What the actual feck are you on about?
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 2:55 am

Not sure what Pie is on about but Jackman should go. He was brought in to improve the Dragons and he hasn't done that. Three matches in after pre-season is enough, teams should be hitting the ground running. We just look very poorly coached. WRU should bring in some coaching class from NZ for the Welsh regions minus the Scarlets who already have theirs.

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Post by Pie on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 3:00 am

Stone Motif wrote:
Pie wrote:Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.
What the actual feck are you on about?

Keep reading it, you'll get it eventually Rolling Eyes

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Post by Stone Motif on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 7:49 am

Pie wrote:
Stone Motif wrote:
Pie wrote:Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.
What the actual feck are you on about?

Keep reading it, you'll get it eventually Rolling Eyes
What the actual feck are you on about?

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Post by The Oracle on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 8:27 am

Pie wrote:Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.

He didn’t pick a weakened side. Which side would you have chosen then, genius?
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Post by Stone Motif on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 10:24 am

The Oracle wrote:
Pie wrote:Jackman surely must go now, having devalued the game by picking the side he did to excuse the inevitable loss he can't pretend that the team is any better off now than last term.

He didn’t pick a weakened side. Which side would you have chosen then, genius?
If he'd said Jackman needs to go because he's a stamp collecting charlatan who has failed at any measure of his job, including now recruitment, he'd have had a point
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Post by The Oracle on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 10:40 am

You could argue for a few players, but I’d say they’d be marginal calls: Nansen over Screech for more power perhaps; Griffiths over Cudd for the former’s open field play (but Cudd is arguably the better at slowing them down and got good reviews on his showing yesterday); Brown instead of Fairbrother maybe. But they’re not significant upgrades. For me they are not deliberate attempts to send out a weak team.
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Post by Stone Motif on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 2:03 pm

The Oracle wrote:You could argue for a few players, but I’d say they’d be marginal calls: Nansen over Screech for more power perhaps; Griffiths over Cudd for the former’s open field play (but Cudd is arguably the better at slowing them down and got good reviews on his showing yesterday); Brown instead of Fairbrother maybe. But they’re not significant upgrades. For me they are not deliberate attempts to send out a weak team.
No, they're incompetent attempts to recruit and select an average team.
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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 16 Sep 2018, 6:08 pm

If we want big carriers then we still need locks, then move Nansen to 6. We'd also need a fly-half that's more consistent than Lewis and less injury prone than Henson, along with a new coaching team.

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