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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 17 Sep 2018, 10:37 am

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Still plenty of tennis to be played. Djoko's remarkable comeback means that he could end this year as number one again. Even if he doesn't reach the summit, he could do so in the first half of 2019.
Bit surprised Murray is not playing this week. I would have thought, with a couple of minor tournaments being played, that he could have got some much-needed match practice. Or is he saving himself for the China tournaments coming up?



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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 28 Sep 2018, 9:10 pm

So that's it then for Andy for 2018. I suppose he can take heart from the fact that he's got a few matches, and wins, under his belt, but it's all been a bit patchy.
I think at the beginning of 2019 he has got to really go for it and if it's all too much for him then so be it. He's not going to get match sharp sitting out lengthy periods of the season. My view was that he should have played Wimbledon and even chucked in some challengers to get some victories.

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 28 Sep 2018, 10:29 pm

Twelve competitive matches and out.  I am sort of disappointed as I think on Andy Murray's return in June with a narrow loss to a then in form Kyrgios at Queens (2-6 7-6 7-5) the signs indicated he was capable of an elite level performance - but just needed to sort out his fitness and endurance.  I still go with my recommendation that Murray should have started off at a lower lever (doubles, challenger and ATP 250 level) to build himself back up.   Playing at such a high level has resulted in intense and long matches and picking up small possibly unrelated injuries - such as the ankle injury - that brings his season to an end.

Anyway the signs are promising, but I think AO 2019 is coming too early for Andy Murray to make a realistic challenge for the title.  It will be interesting to see how he does in the clay 2019 season - that will be a true test for him.

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Post by Calder106 on Sat 29 Sep 2018, 1:10 pm

It's a bit of a concern that Murray cannot appear to put a number of back to back matches or tournaments together without needing a break. He will have a long period of building fitness and endurance between now and January. If the same pattern continues then it will be a serious concern.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 30 Sep 2018, 5:36 pm

Two tournament wins for qualifiers today - Tomic and Nishioka. Tomic saved four MPs including three when 6-3 down in final-set tiebreak.
Wonder if this could be a turning point for Tomic who has all the talent and none of the application.

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Post by MrInvisible on Sun 30 Sep 2018, 10:41 pm

Agree that Murray should have had a go at some Challengers to ease himself in on his return this year - I seem to recall Nishikori did this towards start of the year and he has had a pretty successful return from injury (admittedly different circumstances to Murray). Would like to be proven wrong but got a feeling Andy will call it a day in 2019.

Not sure about Tomic - I do feel he is capable of stringing some wins together but whilst I see him on his day being a giantkiller type player in the slams I don't really see him having enough consistency or the right temperament to make a concerted push up the rankings.

Onto the China Open this week - Edmund in action tomorrow - Kyle is a player who could really do with a win to give him some confidence. Last year's tournament winner was Nadal who beat Kyrgios in a one-sided final. This year I'm going for one of Del Potro, Cilic or Nishikori to win.

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Post by sirfredperry on Mon 01 Oct 2018, 3:13 pm

Good win by Kyle today after dropping the first set. What I didn't realise is that Edmund has suffered tonisillitis this season. Perhaps this explains rather patchy results of late.

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Post by sirfredperry on Tue 02 Oct 2018, 10:38 am

Cilic beaten in Tokyo after twice being a break up in the final set. He does seem to lose a lot of matches from winning positions.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 03 Oct 2018, 10:58 am

Dimi out and his conquerer Lajovic will now play Kyle Edmund who won in three today against Berrettini. Good chance for Kyle to go deep in Beijing.

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Post by Born Slippy on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 12:12 am

For Brit tennis fans, worth noting that the 16 year old junior Wimbledon finalist, Jack Draper, is on a winning streak at Futures level. He won back to back Futures in the UK and is in the SF in Lagos this week. He’s the only 16 year old in the top 1,000, with a live ranking of 623. Faces the top seed (ranked c. 400) next.

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 05 Oct 2018, 2:00 pm

Edmund thru in straight sets in his quarter final in Beijing and has a good chance of reaching the final now. Needs some big points as it's unlikely he'll reach the semi again at the Australian Open in January.
Elsewhere Gasquet has had two successive 7-6, 7-6 wins - yesterday over Kyrgios and today over Anderson.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 06 Oct 2018, 9:51 am

So it’s Nishikori v Medvedev in Tokyo and DP through on a walkover in China to face the winner of Edmund v Basilashvili. Medvedev with an easy win over Shapovalov hasn’t dropped a set yet, so will be a tough test for Kei.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 07 Oct 2018, 7:47 am

Edmund apparently had his chances against Basilashvili before going down in straight sets.
Medvedev could play Fed in Shanghai next week but finalists from the week before often crash out early in the next tournament. Delpo is in Fed's half of the draw.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 07 Oct 2018, 2:46 pm

Neither Nishi nor delpo took titles today, with Medvedev (a qualifier, although ranked as high as 32) and Basilashvili winning in straight sets. Caroline W was the women's champion in Beijing.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 10 Oct 2018, 7:44 am

Edmund thru today in Shanghai and will not have to meet Cilic who lost AGAIN from a winning position. How many times?
Thiem already out while Fed faces tough one today in the shape of in-form Medvedev.

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Post by No name Bertie on Wed 10 Oct 2018, 12:16 pm

Edmund now up to #14 in the ATP world rankings. Cameron Norrie stabilised in the top 100 at #89 while Jay Clarke is at #177. Daniel Evans is at #208 after his time out while Andy Murray is at #262 having hardly played at all. 16 year old Jack Draper is at #623.

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Post by sirfredperry on Wed 10 Oct 2018, 7:07 pm

Fed thru after tough three setter with Medvedev. May have easier match against RBA next. Zverev ended basilashvili's run.

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Post by sirfredperry on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 2:00 pm

Almost an action replay with Fed again winning after being taken to three sets by RBA.
Djokovic, Nishi, Edmund and Zverev all won.

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:02 pm

Zverev saw off Edmund in straight sets, while Djoko and Coric both thru in straights, too. Fed and Nishi just about to start.

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Post by No name Bertie on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 3:28 pm

Federer beats Nishikori 6-4 7-6

Semifinal:
Zverev vs Djokovic
Coric vs Federer

Oldies (all time greats) versus Next Generation, with no-one from the in-between generation. This is yet another example of how weak the generation were following the "fab four".

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Post by sirfredperry on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 3:46 pm

A one hour 50 mins match for Fed today, which could have been extended had Rog not come back from 4-1 down in the second-set tiebreak.
  Looking like a Fed-Djoko final, although Coric has already upset the Swiss this season.


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Post by sirfredperry on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 9:02 am

Just watched some highlights of the Fed-Nishi match. Looked a fair old match, with some good shotmaking and fine movement from both players.
Some have remarked that Fed got far fewer cheap points on serve than usual. But this may have been down to Nishi's fine returning.

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Post by lags72 on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 9:35 am

@sfp - I too watched (extended) highlights of Fed v Nishi.

It looked to be pretty fast & furious stuff. Some great play by them both, with a fair few vintage showreel shots from the Fed who certainly needed a high level to come through.

At this age, we will, I feel sure, be seeing this pattern from Federer more & more : by which I mean, the ability to produce a top quality performance  against top players such as Nishi now & then .....BUT, for the most part, becoming increasingly vulnerable to defeat - and often, by players of a calibre who would have little hope of troubling him in his prime (as has been happening over the last few years)

Always a pleasure to see Federer turning back the clock (and in style  Smile )..... but I don’t expect him to retain his title here.

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Post by slashermcguirk on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 11:03 am

Djokovic just gave zverev a fair old pummeling. Surprised how one sided it was as zverev was in good form coming in

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 11:04 am

I didn't see the match - just saw the result.  SF1 Djokovic beats Zverev 6-2 6-1.  Presumably Zverev doesn't have the endurance for tournament level tennis (6 rounders / 7 rounders) - at least when facing a potent opponent such as Djokovic in the latter rounds.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 12:57 pm

Zverev’s fitness is incredible. It is never a factor in him losing matches.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:08 pm

Coric knows how to beat Federer and is currently 6-4 4-2 up with a break in the second set. Federer to serve.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:12 pm

Born Slippy wrote:Zverev’s fitness is incredible. It is never a factor in him losing matches.
Hmmm that means I need another reason for Zverev's failures in progressing in slams.   Tournament stamina seemed to be an easy possible answer.

But I guess he is still young and learning.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:23 pm

Coric wins 6-4 6-4 against Federer.  His head to head count against Federer is now 2-2 with Coric winning the two most recent encounters.  Coric is one of those I strongly felt could go on to become a multi-slam winner.

I would imagine that Djokovic will prove too strong for Coric in the final, but Coric continues to progress.

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Post by No name Bertie on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:30 pm

Checking Coric's other head to heads:
Coric - Federer  2 - 2
Coric - Nadal  2 - 2
Coric - Djokovic 0 - 2
Coric - A Murray 2 - 2
Coric - A Zverev 3 - 1
Coric - Del Potro 1 - 1
Coric - K Anderson 1 - 3
Coric - Cilic 0 - 7
Coric - Isner 1 - 1
Coric - Querrey 1 - 0

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 11:37 am

Djoko wins title with straight-sets triumph. Seems utterly dominant again. Is this 2011 or what? He now has great chance to be number one at the year end. Even if he somehow doesn't make the summit, he'll have more chances at the beginning of next year.
Djoko is about 80 weeks behind Fed's all-time weeks-at-number-one record. Ok, he still has a way to go. But it's possible.

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Post by Born Slippy on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 12:31 pm

If (big if) Novak can have a dominant 2019, he will be right in the GOAT running.

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Post by sirfredperry on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 9:00 pm

Sad news about JM delpo who has fractured a kneecap bone. Not yet known how long he will be out but there must be a chance he won't be fit again before the end of the season.

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Post by Calder106 on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 9:19 pm

Well done to Novak. The run he has been on since Wimbledon has been amazing considering where he was earlier in the year.

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Post by Calder106 on Sun 14 Oct 2018, 9:22 pm

sirfredperry wrote:Sad news about JM delpo who has fractured a kneecap bone. Not yet known how long he will be out but there must be a chance he won't be fit again before the end of the season.
 

That's just horrible news. Seems like every time he climbs the mountain and gets near the summit some injury knock him back down again. Would have thought there would be virtually no chance he will play again this year and the AO will probably be very doubtful as well.

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