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Post by Diggers on Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:36 pm

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Re Sterling, he’s got more PL assists than any English player in the last year, 3rd most of anyone. As well as a shedload of goals, what a poopie player he is!!
Could this be it for Jose, I certainly hope so.

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Post by McLaren on Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:50 pm

Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.
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Post by Diggers on Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:01 pm

McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

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Post by beninho on Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:00 pm

Good game at the stadium of light!

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Post by Diggers on Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:16 pm

Yep, looks pretty even from the text updates and stats. Good away point for your boys, Ben, lateish goals are always painful though.

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Post by beninho on Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:38 pm

I'd have taken a point. We've got an away point at Sunderland and Portsmouth. I'm impressed we took over 1000.

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Post by McLaren on Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:35 pm

Diggers wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

You might have but the dumb arses that voted brexit to send em where they came from haven't.
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Post by navyblueshorts on Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:46 pm

McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

You might have but the dumb arses that voted brexit to send em where they came from haven't.
picard

Given you're not working(?), it's obvious you aren't going to be worried about immigration and its impact on your job prospects. Real, or imagined, for you to call those people dumb arses says a lot more about you than them I reckon.
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Post by Diggers on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:01 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

You might have but the dumb arses that voted brexit to send em where they came from haven't.
picard

Given you're not working(?), it's obvious you aren't going to be worried about immigration and its impact on your job prospects. Real, or imagined, for you to call those people dumb arses says a lot more about you than them I reckon.

He lives in Scotland, Navy. They are desperate for immigrants so the impact for Mac would be pretty minimal.
There are an awful lot of people with dumb arsed views concerning immigration.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:06 pm

Diggers wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

You might have but the dumb arses that voted brexit to send em where they came from haven't.
picard

Given you're not working(?), it's obvious you aren't going to be worried about immigration and its impact on your job prospects. Real, or imagined, for you to call those people dumb arses says a lot more about you than them I reckon.

He lives in Scotland, Navy. They are desperate for immigrants so the impact for Mac would be pretty minimal.
There are an awful lot of people with dumb arsed views concerning immigration.
Yeah. Aren't there just?
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Post by JAS on Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:24 pm

navyblueshorts wrote:
Diggers wrote:
navyblueshorts wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:
McLaren wrote:
Diggers wrote:what’s the point

I think we all know it is about the UK being able to have draconian immigration laws.

I thought we’d all recognised what a complete red herring immigration control was.

You might have but the dumb arses that voted brexit to send em where they came from haven't.
picard

Given you're not working(?), it's obvious you aren't going to be worried about immigration and its impact on your job prospects. Real, or imagined, for you to call those people dumb arses says a lot more about you than them I reckon.

He lives in Scotland, Navy. They are desperate for immigrants so the impact for Mac would be pretty minimal.
There are an awful lot of people with dumb arsed views concerning immigration.
Yeah. Aren't there just?

Yes there are and ironically they miss what is effectively a bigger problem when they have their “they’re taking our jobs” moan. We should be a LOT more worried about skilled jobs going offshore than we should be about immigrants coming in to take unskilled ones. The money that sucks out of our economy makes things much more difficult in terms of government finances.

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Post by Diggers on Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:57 pm

Very impressive from England, definitely a team (and squad) on the up. Showing the cojones to come back for a deserved win. I do like this competition, definitely way better than friendlies and a better test than most tournament qualifying matches.
I think the vision of how Southgate wants England to play is showing more with every match, their own identity.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:07 pm

Ironic that they played quite nicely in the first half with no end product, then win with two scrappy goals after seeming to let it slip. They miss Trippier's brilliant crossing and corners, but promising stuff in the end.

Digs,
Did you and beninho do a road trip yesterday? Idly considering a flying visit to FP for Dec 22nd.

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Post by Diggers on Sun Nov 18, 2018 4:09 pm

No, think we are hopefully on for the Wycombe game though, Kwini.

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Post by beninho on Sun Nov 18, 2018 7:54 pm

Still good with me! And open to anyone else who fancies some high quality league one football and (maybe) some golf before hand, if things fall into place!

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Post by kwinigolfer on Sun Nov 18, 2018 10:27 pm

Seems like only yesterday we used to cycle to the HW Lido . . . . such a treat.
WW were in the Isthmian League at the time. And Sunders were in Div 1.
And Luke Donald still had nearly 30 years to go before he attended RGS HW.

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Post by NedB-H on Sun Nov 18, 2018 11:35 pm

If any of you spot a decent manager on your League One travels, send him our way please... OK

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Post by pedro on Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:18 am

Fart dart?
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/17/stink-hits-darts-grand-slam-as-match-features-flatulent-end

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Post by super_realist on Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:15 am

dynamark wrote:TV last night about the insulin maker in Frankfurt who supplies most of UK market.They keeo 10/12 weeks supply in stock over here and have been asked to extend that by another 6 weeks.
No problem.Trucks can be sealed in Germany  and all the 'paperwork' done online.Waved through at Dover thankyou v much.They will not stop supplies !!
Also mentioned that we  export approx. 20% more medicine than we import from EU.
Just an example but they were quite comfortable.

An issue with supply might be the only way that the fatties who have given themselves diabetes type two through their own gluttony and laziness will get over their problem. If there's no medicine for them to continue their love affair with Diabetes, then they might have to take action to reverse it by eating better, eating less and taking some exercise for a bloody change.

These people and lifestyle choices in general are the biggest strain on NHS, but all you ever hear is that successive governments are to blame for the state the NHS is in. The British population has to take responsibility for running down the NHS too, but as with so much from this pathetic population of deadbeats in this country they always want to blame someone else and take no responsibility themselves.

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Post by Davie on Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:15 am

Your caring nature is one of your most redeeming features Whistle

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:16 pm

JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:24 pm

JAS wrote:
ironically they miss what is effectively a bigger problem when they have their “they’re taking our jobs” moan. We should be a LOT more worried about skilled jobs going offshore than we should be about immigrants coming in to take unskilled ones. The money that sucks out of our economy makes things much more difficult in terms of government finances.

Yet people with skilled jobs don't moan about their jobs being taken off shore. Ever heard a lawyer or accountant complaining about being replaced by a "foreigner"? Those with professional qualifications voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.

Looks to me like it's only unskilled people who are/were worrying.


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Post by McLaren on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:24 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.


I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was to roll back social reform?

For example leavers would like get rid off human rights legislation, lighten up workplace safety laws, reduce workers rights, have harsher immigration laws, trade with more dodgy regimes etc
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Post by McLaren on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:26 pm

raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
ironically they miss what is effectively a bigger problem when they have their “they’re taking our jobs” moan. We should be a LOT more worried about skilled jobs going offshore than we should be about immigrants coming in to take unskilled ones. The money that sucks out of our economy makes things much more difficult in terms of government finances.

Yet people with skilled jobs don't moan about their jobs being taken off shore. Ever heard a lawyer or accountant complaining about being replaced by a "foreigner"? Those with professional qualifications voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU.

Looks to me like it's only unskilled people who are/were worrying.


I think this highlights what a red herring immigration is.  Is it any surprise that a Tory government are happy to see foreigners blamed for peoples crappy lifes instead of unnecessary and ideologically driven austerity?
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Post by NedB-H on Mon Nov 19, 2018 1:32 pm

McLaren wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.


I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was to roll back social reform?

For example leavers would like get rid off human rights legislation, lighten up workplace safety laws, reduce workers rights, have harsher immigration laws, trade with more dodgy regimes etc
Depends on the leaver surely Mac? I keep hearing that Corbyn is a closet leaver, love him or loathe him those don’t seem like the sort of policies he’d support.

The nub of the whole problem I guess, is that leaving (and remaining too) can be dressed up to mean whatever you want them to. So when the time comes to leave half the country complains that isn’t what they meant by it.

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Post by McLaren on Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:21 pm

Ned

I think Corbyn has fallen for the EU is run by big business conspiracy.
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Post by dynamark on Mon Nov 19, 2018 2:43 pm

Super I'm well with you on NHS and lifestyle.Pal of mine 63 just going into a panic over his high blood pressure result and cutting down on the beer etc.May be something to do with his 40 year smoking habit ,heavyish drinker and loved his food. he thought one round of golf a week would compensate.
I just spent a couple of years in and out of the NHS for the hip and another issue which turned out to be Ceoliacs and never ceased to amaze me the size and state of most of the folk in the waiting room .Medical records like a phone directory.Ageing population and mental health are definite issues but NHS will always spend every penny available and ask for more.
Brexit we need Commons to turn it down and get out of there on WTO trade basis or do a better last ditch deal.The Irish may have to accept a little inconvenience.

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:08 pm

Diggers wrote:Very impressive from England, definitely a team (and squad) on the up. Showing the cojones to come back for a deserved win. I do like this competition, definitely way better than friendlies and a better test than most tournament qualifying matches.
I think the vision of how Southgate wants England to play is showing more with every match, their own identity.

Agreed.

The match had all the hallmarks of a repeat of the world cup semi. Especially when Croatia had a great chance in the 2nd half to go 2-0 up. But England showed class, belief and determination to keep going and snatch the win. Still seems we are only capable of scoring from set pieces though!

The finals in Portugal next summer will be a perfect opportunity for this young England team to practise tournament football.

I've been really impressed with the Nations League. Spain and Croatia definitely took it seriously which has resulted in very watchable matches. The way Spain absolutely battered England in the second half in Seville shows it mattered to the Spanish seleccion. It doesn't have the prestige of WC or Euros but topping the group is a genuine achievement.

I've only seen highlights of the other groups but I got the impression that other countries generally took it seriously too. It may be a bit complicated, but well done UEFA.

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Post by NedB-H on Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:24 pm

It’s been a great idea. UEFA identified a clear problem, that the international schedule wasn’t attracting fans, and moved to fix it. It wasn’t just friendlies, even the qualifiers were becoming unpopular because they were constantly big teams against eleven men behind the ball.

They’ve had a bit of good fortune in that the World Cup got interest going in the England team anyway. But the last couple of international breaks have been the biggest for public attention since McLaren made them big by being hopeless. It was now or never for UEFA too, when you see how full twitter is with “not anther international break” comments and how much the club managers moan, the domestic leagues were poised to make a power grab before long. The nations league will hopefully fight off that threat now.

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Post by raycastleunited on Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:45 pm

Also I think where UEFA have got to on fixture scheduling for internationals is a good balance on club v country.

Double headers in Sep, Oct, Nov.
Break for xmas/winter.
Double header in March.
Big gap in spring to focus on the business end of the club season.
Double header in June in odd years when there is no WC or Euro tournament.

This means that in a season that ends with a tournament England will play only 6 competitive matches and 4 friendlies. And in an odd season with no tournament there will be 8 competitive internationals and 2 friendlies.

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Post by Diggers on Mon Nov 19, 2018 6:49 pm

For sure we need change to help the NHS. But this comes back to policy and education. For example, to put it politely, the Govts Obesity Action Plan for kids was utter garbage and a waste of money.
We need to look at how we tax, licensing laws, advertising, in short create a culture that actually leads to change.
As far as I can see the Govts only real policy to tackle obesity is starvation, unfortunately all those do gooders running food banks are scuppering their plans.

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Post by super_realist on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:13 pm

McLaren wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.


I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was to roll back social reform?

For example leavers would like get rid off human rights legislation, lighten up workplace safety laws, reduce workers rights, have harsher immigration laws, trade with more dodgy regimes etc

You can't seriously believe that Mac?

I haven't heard many good arguments for leaving the EU, but that one rarely comes up.

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Post by super_realist on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:23 pm

Diggers wrote:For sure we need change to help the NHS. But this comes back to policy and education. For example, to put it politely, the Govts Obesity Action Plan for kids was utter garbage and a waste of money.
We need to look at how we tax, licensing laws, advertising, in short create a culture that actually leads to change.
As far as I can see the Govts only real policy to tackle obesity is starvation, unfortunately all those do gooders running food banks are scuppering their plans.

Simple fact is we need to put more money in. The entire culture of the NHS is partially responsible for the state of our population and people need to acknowledge that. People simply get used to going to the hospital, chemist etc for an operation or a pill rather than actually preventing their issues in the first place. There's far too much reliance on the NHS, rather than ensuring you don't need it as much in the first place.

I'd be more than happy for there to be a fee to see a doctor, which you could possibly claim back in some way, maybe offset against a prescription. This would encourage people not to waste doctors time, ensure they turned up and might encourage people to take better care of themselves in the first place so they didn't have to shell out.

The NHS has been mismanaged almost since it's inception, it's not the "jewel in the crown" at all, nor the envy of anyone particularly,  but the British population, the sick man of Europe needs to take a huge responsibility for the state it's in. It could be good, but it's a mess for which a large proportion of the UK is responsible.

It's tragic that 20% of the expenditure goes to deal with Diabetes. An almost entirely preventable disease in the Type 2 variety, whilst it causes a huge knock on for other diseases such as heart disease, high blood pressure, joint issues etc. So when you see someone struggling to get treatment for something like Cancer, it's worth pointing the finger at the lazy, fat gits who are clogging up the NHS faster than they're clogging up their own arteries, because they're taking away money from those who can't help the position they are in.

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Post by Diggers on Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:55 pm

It’s education and cultural change that will change the diabetes numbers. Simply blaming people (and I’m no fatties fan) and charging at point of entry won’t solve the problems.

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Post by JAS on Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:11 pm

super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:For sure we need change to help the NHS. But this comes back to policy and education. For example, to put it politely, the Govts Obesity Action Plan for kids was utter garbage and a waste of money.
We need to look at how we tax, licensing laws, advertising, in short create a culture that actually leads to change.
As far as I can see the Govts only real policy to tackle obesity is starvation, unfortunately all those do gooders running food banks are scuppering their plans.

Simple fact is we need to put more money in. The entire culture of the NHS is partially responsible for the state of our population and people need to acknowledge that. People simply get used to going to the hospital, chemist etc for an operation or a pill rather than actually preventing their issues in the first place. There's far too much reliance on the NHS, rather than ensuring you don't need it as much in the first place.

I'd be more than happy for there to be a fee to see a doctor, which you could possibly claim back in some way, maybe offset against a prescription. This would encourage people not to waste doctors time, ensure they turned up and might encourage people to take better care of themselves in the first place so they didn't have to shell out.

The NHS has been mismanaged almost since it's inception, it's not the "jewel in the crown" at all, nor the envy of anyone particularly,  but the British population, the sick man of Europe needs to take a huge responsibility for the state it's in. It could be good, but it's a mess for which a large proportion of the UK is responsible.

It's tragic that 20% of the expenditure goes to deal with Diabetes. An almost entirely preventable disease in the Type 2 variety, whilst it causes a huge knock on for other diseases such as heart disease, high blood pressure, joint issues etc. So when you see someone struggling to get treatment for something like Cancer, it's worth pointing the finger at the lazy, fat gits who are clogging up the NHS faster than they're clogging up their own arteries, because they're taking away money from those who can't help the position they are in.

For sure more money needs to go in but for decades any party advocating tax rises in an election manifesto gets crucified at the polls....and to be honest in spite of the glaringly obvious that that is what needs to be done it will still persist through the next election. Totally agree that many need to look at their lifestyle choices and their subsequent requirement to rely on the NHS. I don’t buy the counter argument that these people effectively fund the NHS with Tobacco and alcohol taxation. Then there’s the drug companies and the outrageous charges for relatively inexpensive medicines. Don’t get me started on other private operators raping NHS budgets, yep a lot of it started with the Blair Govts PFI initiatives. Heaping blame on a Govt from 15 years ago however won’t solve today’s problems.

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Post by super_realist on Tue Nov 20, 2018 7:49 am

Diggers wrote:It’s education and cultural change that will change the diabetes numbers. Simply blaming people (and I’m no fatties fan) and charging at point of entry won’t solve the problems.


I'm not talking about just blaming Fatties (although they are to blame in part for the current state of the NHS), I'm talking about reforming the way we access the NHS for everyone. This free at the point of delivery does nothing to encourage efficiency. Wastage and bad management probably costs as much as Diabetes does.

We pay for the NHS through our taxes, and as such it's easy to forget we don't get it for free. If people were actually charged when they use it, perhaps they might not be so keen to live the terrible lives that so many people in this country do.

We have people getting ridiculous prescriptions on the NHS like paracetamol on prescription. We've got the NHS buying things for £10 through suppliers that cost less than a pound elsewhere. That has to stop.

Bad food also needs to be heavily taxed to the point where it can only be bought as a "special occasion".  The country is infested with fast food outlets and it's such an easy option for the lazy/scum class. Like cigarettes, it should be majorly taxed, not just the pathetic token "sugar tax", but proper punitive taxes that make it difficult for people to justify buying. That money needs to go to either subsidise healthy food or to go straight to the NHS.
It's no good for any government to simply keep pouring in money, that won't make it better, that just makes it more inefficient. It needs money AND reform.
Something like the way Sweden does it would be good and those Nordic nations have far healthier people than the UK. Obesity is much lower than here, in fact the UK is the 3rd fattest in Europe after Turkey and Malta. Disgraceful, so blaming fatties is certainly a consideration.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:49 am

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:For sure we need change to help the NHS. But this comes back to policy and education. For example, to put it politely, the Govts Obesity Action Plan for kids was utter garbage and a waste of money.
We need to look at how we tax, licensing laws, advertising, in short create a culture that actually leads to change.
As far as I can see the Govts only real policy to tackle obesity is starvation, unfortunately all those do gooders running food banks are scuppering their plans.

Simple fact is we need to put more money in. The entire culture of the NHS is partially responsible for the state of our population and people need to acknowledge that. People simply get used to going to the hospital, chemist etc for an operation or a pill rather than actually preventing their issues in the first place. There's far too much reliance on the NHS, rather than ensuring you don't need it as much in the first place.

I'd be more than happy for there to be a fee to see a doctor, which you could possibly claim back in some way, maybe offset against a prescription. This would encourage people not to waste doctors time, ensure they turned up and might encourage people to take better care of themselves in the first place so they didn't have to shell out.

The NHS has been mismanaged almost since it's inception, it's not the "jewel in the crown" at all, nor the envy of anyone particularly,  but the British population, the sick man of Europe needs to take a huge responsibility for the state it's in. It could be good, but it's a mess for which a large proportion of the UK is responsible.

It's tragic that 20% of the expenditure goes to deal with Diabetes. An almost entirely preventable disease in the Type 2 variety, whilst it causes a huge knock on for other diseases such as heart disease, high blood pressure, joint issues etc. So when you see someone struggling to get treatment for something like Cancer, it's worth pointing the finger at the lazy, fat gits who are clogging up the NHS faster than they're clogging up their own arteries, because they're taking away money from those who can't help the position they are in.

For sure more money needs to go in but for decades any party advocating tax rises in an election manifesto gets crucified at the polls....and to be honest in spite of the glaringly obvious that that is what needs to be done it will still persist through the next election. Totally agree that many need to look at their lifestyle choices and their subsequent requirement to rely on the NHS. I don’t buy the counter argument that these people effectively fund the NHS with Tobacco and alcohol taxation. Then there’s the drug companies and the outrageous charges for relatively inexpensive medicines. Don’t get me started on other private operators raping NHS budgets, yep a lot of it started with the Blair Govts PFI initiatives. Heaping blame on a Govt from 15 years ago however won’t solve today’s problems.
As to drug charges, people need to understand the development pipeline and how long a pharmaceutical has on license to get that money back plus any profit. Once off license, generics should drop prices hugely. Drug charges are often what they are because of what we, the public, insist those companies do by way of safety etc. Big pharma isn't by any means perfect, but they're too easy to bash.

Speaking of drugs and NHS, go and look up how many in England get free prescriptions - bit of an eye opener. ~91% of prescriptions aren't paid for in England (Pharmaceutical Journal). I'm so glad I'm paying £8.80 a pop to subsidise so many who shouldn't get them free...
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Post by beninho on Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:26 am

I am opposed to any charge to see a doctor. But not opposed to people making donations to their local nhs trust if they so desire.


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Post by raycastleunited on Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:02 am

Wow - interesting stat on prescriptions Navy Shocked

I'm not sure paying to see a doctor would help, many people would spend the money in KFC and just go to A&E instead. And it would become difficult (not to say controversial!) to start charging at A&E.

There's an argument for an up front charge / deposit at point of booking to reduce late arrivals / no shows.

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Post by McLaren on Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:13 am

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.


I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was to roll back social reform?

For example leavers would like get rid off human rights legislation, lighten up workplace safety laws, reduce workers rights, have harsher immigration laws, trade with more dodgy regimes etc

You can't seriously believe that Mac?

I haven't heard many good arguments for leaving the EU, but that one rarely comes up.

I clearly do believe that and listed policies put forward by leavers which confirm it to be the case.  When people say they want sovereignty or to return to the good old days what they mean is back to a time before most of the important social reforms had occurred. They don't need to put those actual words on the banner for it to be what they want to happen.
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Post by Roller_Coaster on Tue Nov 20, 2018 11:20 am

Lock her up?

So Mr President, will you be advocating similar treatment to that promoted at your rallies in respect of Mrs Clinton and prompting your rabid following to chant against Ivanka with similar vitriol?

Thought not.

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Post by dynamark on Tue Nov 20, 2018 1:32 pm

A fella started talking to me in the local shop last week and in the end I had to say' I'm sorry I just cant place who you are'He said 'I'm your GP'
I'm in for the nominal payment to for a consultation great move but how many would be exempted like prescriptions ?. We used to see an item on our payslips called NHI national health insurance(now NI) but again it only applies to those getting a payslip. Any attempts to toughen up on services get all manner of aggro like Universal Credit.We could challenge a lot more of the marginal disabled benefits but very non PC .May need a Tory govt with a big majority to see any real challenges to the status quo. Not likely for a while .

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Post by beninho on Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:36 pm

https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/help-with-health-costs/get-help-with-prescription-costs/

List of people exempt from prescription costs. Now, I have an issue with all over 60s being lumped togethet, but apart from that I find it hard to pick fault on any of these groups having free prescriptions.

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Post by raycastleunited on Tue Nov 20, 2018 3:58 pm

beninho wrote:https://www.nhs.uk/using-the-nhs/help-with-health-costs/get-help-with-prescription-costs/

List of people exempt from prescription costs. Now, I have an issue with all over 60s being lumped togethet, but apart from that I find it hard to pick fault on any of these groups having free prescriptions.

Agree there is nothing wrong with the exemption list, but when it covers over 90% of prescriptions (which is probably for a small percentage of the population) it shows there is something wrong with the benefits system.

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Post by beninho on Tue Nov 20, 2018 6:48 pm

Or it shows that the cost of a prescription is to high or benefits to low. Should a standard prescription be over 10% of a weekly income?

Though surely the over 60 part should be raised in line with pension age.

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Post by TexasWedge on Tue Nov 20, 2018 8:52 pm

Help required. Long time lurker on here but usually only post in the Majors' competitions.

Bit off topic from Brexit and the NHS but I was wondering if any of our Scottish correspondents know anybody who could get their hands on Scotland - Ireland 6 Nations tickets for February. 3 of us travelling with flights and accommodation already booked but no tickets. Any help greatly appreciated.

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Post by westisbest on Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:00 am

TexasWedge wrote:Help required. Long time lurker on here but usually only post in the Majors' competitions.

Bit off topic from Brexit and the NHS but I was wondering if any of our Scottish correspondents know anybody who could get their hands on Scotland - Ireland 6 Nations tickets for February. 3 of us travelling with flights and accommodation already booked but no tickets. Any help greatly appreciated.

Have you tried the rugby boards?

Fair few Scottish lads on there that might be able to help you out.

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Post by McLaren on Wed Nov 21, 2018 1:09 am

Texas

How much are you willing to pay?
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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:41 am

TexasWedge wrote:Help required. Long time lurker on here but usually only post in the Majors' competitions.

Bit off topic from Brexit and the NHS but I was wondering if any of our Scottish correspondents know anybody who could get their hands on Scotland - Ireland 6 Nations tickets for February. 3 of us travelling with flights and accommodation already booked but no tickets. Any help greatly appreciated.

Texas, I would think you have the same access to tickets as any of us would.

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Post by super_realist on Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:50 am

McLaren wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:
raycastleunited wrote:
JAS wrote:
I think the levels of inequality in this country are just beyond a joke. We need a drastic change away from the pursuit of a kind of modern day Dickensianism into something a lot more palatable. I don’t care whether it’s Socialism or capitalism with a human face we DO need a change, the biggest tragedy of the whole Brexit calamity is that stuff like this gets hidden in small print rather than be front page news https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46236642

And here lies the tragedy. Brexit has nothing to do with socialism v capitalism, nothing to do with rich v poor or exploitation. The EU states have different governments, some left leaning and others off to the right. Expecting social or political reform from leaving the EU is misguided.


I thought the whole point of leaving the EU was to roll back social reform?

For example leavers would like get rid off human rights legislation, lighten up workplace safety laws, reduce workers rights, have harsher immigration laws, trade with more dodgy regimes etc

You can't seriously believe that Mac?

I haven't heard many good arguments for leaving the EU, but that one rarely comes up.

I clearly do believe that and listed policies put forward by leavers which confirm it to be the case.  When people say they want sovereignty or to return to the good old days what they mean is back to a time before most of the important social reforms had occurred. They don't need to put those actual words on the banner for it to be what they want to happen.

As usual with your claims Mac, I've seen no evidence to back up anything you say.

I've not seen anyone claim that they want out of the EU so they can persecute people without fear of a humans rights act, or that they want to trade with dodgy regimes. Typical sensationalism from you, and in many regards, just as absurd as the actual reasons people want to leave the EU for. Your views are just as daft as theirs, and you are admitting that you are surmising their reasons to back up your claim. It's pretty pathetic Mac. You should be thinking up better reasons to stay, not picking holes in the views of those poorly informed people who want to leave. Anyone can do that.

Dodgy regimes? You mean like the dodgy regimes of China and Saudi Arabia that we already trade with?

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Post by pedro on Wed Nov 21, 2018 8:28 am

super_realist wrote:Dodgy regimes? You mean like the dodgy regimes of China and Saudi Arabia that we already trade with?
I think he means the US.

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