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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 9:36 am

Can somebody please tell me how mitigation is decided in the Pro14 disciplinary panels.

This week:

Keiran Fonotia was asked if he thought his actions merited a red card: he said yes. the panel awarded a reduction in weeks of 50%

The panel concluded:

Full mitigation of 50 per cent was applied after considering the player’s previously clean disciplinary record, his admission that his actions warranted a red card and the co-operation of both the player and his club throughout the process.

Matty Rea was asked if he thought his actions merited a red card: he said no. the panel still awarded a full reduction in weeks of 50%

the player’s clean disciplinary record and other mitigating factors and applied full mitigation of 50 per cent

What are these mysterious  "other" mitigating factors that the panel declined to report on?

What is the point in asking the question if it makes zero difference?

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 9:47 am

The panels were made up Irish officials. They always give 50% reductions. Kieran F O’Notia and Matty Rea are both Irish.

Easy.
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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 9:54 am

Other mitigating factors will include:

He admitted foul play (just that it did not deserve a red)
He was sent off (rather than cited) so both him and the club had already suffered punishment

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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 9:56 am

Pot Hale wrote:The panels were made up Irish officials. They always give 50% reductions.   Kieran F O’Notia and Matty Rea are both Irish.  

Easy.  


Not wanting to get in the way of you feeding someone's conspiracy theories but the panel for Rea:

The Disciplinary Committee, comprising of Pamela Woodman (Chair), Kathrine Mackie and Ian Douglas (all Scotland)

Of course they all like a pint of Guinness, so effectively Irish really.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 10:03 am

LondonTiger wrote:Other mitigating factors will include:

He admitted foul play (just that it did not deserve a red)
He was sent off (rather than cited) so both him and the club had already suffered punishment

So half an hour of a game translates into weeks of reduction?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 10:05 am

LondonTiger wrote:Kathrine Mackie and Ian Douglas (all Scotland)

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Is she the one who served a 4 month ban for biting? Or is that another Scottish panel officer?

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Re: Pro14 disciplinary panels

Post by marty2086 on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 10:19 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:Other mitigating factors will include:

He admitted foul play (just that it did not deserve a red)
He was sent off (rather than cited) so both him and the club had already suffered punishment

So half an hour of a game translates into weeks of reduction?

There are other mitigating factors, they are just some examples

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Post by Brendan on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 12:08 pm

The reason for asking if they felt it was a red is obviously to save time.

Just because someone gets a red doesn't mean they should miss games. Both cases mention clean records so maybe that has more to do with 50% than anything else.

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Post by BamBam on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 12:11 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:The panels were made up Irish officials. They always give 50% reductions.   Kieran F O’Notia and Matty Rea are both Irish.  

Easy.  


Not wanting to get in the way of you feeding someone's conspiracy theories but the panel for Rea:

The Disciplinary Committee, comprising of Pamela Woodman (Chair), Kathrine Mackie and Ian Douglas (all Scotland)

Of course they all like a pint of Guinness, so effectively Irish really.

Matty Rea is better looking than Fonotia and must have charmed Pamela and Kathrine, that's my conclusion

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 12:23 pm

BamBam wrote:
LondonTiger wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:The panels were made up Irish officials. They always give 50% reductions.   Kieran F O’Notia and Matty Rea are both Irish.  

Easy.  


Not wanting to get in the way of you feeding someone's conspiracy theories but the panel for Rea:

The Disciplinary Committee, comprising of Pamela Woodman (Chair), Kathrine Mackie and Ian Douglas (all Scotland)

Of course they all like a pint of Guinness, so effectively Irish really.

Matty Rea is better looking than Fonotia and must have charmed Pamela and Kathrine, that's my conclusion

So sexist, what if they don't scrummage that way. What if Ian lineouts for the other team?

So narrow minded BamBam Rolling Eyes

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Post by The Oracle on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 12:41 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
Pot Hale wrote:The panels were made up Irish officials. They always give 50% reductions.   Kieran F O’Notia and Matty Rea are both Irish.  

Easy.  


Not wanting to get in the way of you feeding someone's conspiracy theories but the panel for Rea:

The Disciplinary Committee, comprising of Pamela Woodman (Chair), Kathrine Mackie and Ian Douglas (all Scotland)

Of course they all like a pint of Guinness, so effectively Irish really.


And of course Woodman and Douglas both have 'O' in their names so are basically Irish (WO'odman and DO'uglas obvs). Mackie hasn't got an 'O' but is a wO'men.
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Post by Artful_Dodger on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 1:26 pm

Has anbody heard about Nathan Hughes disciplinary hearing? They mysteriously failed to reach a verdict due to some issue. Apparently he tweeted "Absolute joke" in the middle of the hearing. Haha, hilarious if that's what caused it, heightened chance of him missing Autumn international as well.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/champions-cup/what-a-joke-nathan-hughes-tweeted-during-hearing-and-then-rfu-panel-mysteriously-failed-to-reach-decision-over-punch-37407629.html

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 11 Oct 2018, 5:31 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Has anbody heard about Nathan Hughes disciplinary hearing?  They mysteriously failed to reach a verdict due to some issue.  Apparently he tweeted "Absolute joke" in the middle of the hearing.  Haha, hilarious if that's what caused it, heightened chance of him missing Autumn international as well.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/champions-cup/what-a-joke-nathan-hughes-tweeted-during-hearing-and-then-rfu-panel-mysteriously-failed-to-reach-decision-over-punch-37407629.html

Thanks for sharing the article. I had heard something about this. Madness.

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