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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:54 pm

Bath v Toulouse - Saturday 13:00


Referee: Andrew Brace (Ireland)
AR1: John Lacey (Ireland)
AR2: Eddie Hogan-O'Connell (Ireland)
TMO: Simon McDowell (Ireland)

Broadcasters: BT Sport beIN Sports


Exeter v Munster - Saturday 15:15


Referee: Jérome Garcès (France)
AR1: Ludovic Cayre (France)
AR2: Jonathan Dufort (France)
TMO: Eric Briquet Campin ()

Broadcasters: BT Sport




Gloucester v Castres - Sunday 13:00

Referee: Marius Mitrea (Italy)
AR1: Manuel Bottino (Italy)
AR2: Gianluca Gnecchi (Italy)
TMO: Stefano Penne (Italy)

Broadcasters: BT Sport beIN Sports



Lyon v Cardiff - Sunday 13:00


Referee: JP Doyle (England)
AR1: Ian Tempest (England)
AR2: Wayne Falla (England)
TMO: David Grashoff (England)

Broadcasters: beIN Sports BT Sport




Toulon v Newcastle - Sunday 15:15


Referee: Ben Whitehouse (Wales)
AR1: Craig Evans (Wales)
AR2: Wayne Davies (Wales)
TMO: Neil Paterson (Scotland)

Broadcasters: BT Sport beIN Sports


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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:54 pm

BATH RUGBY

  • 15. Freddie Burns, 
  • 14. Semesa Rokoduguni, 
  • 13. Jackson Willison, 
  • 12. Jamie Roberts, 
  • 11. Darren Atkins, 
  • 10. Rhys Priestland (c), 
  • 9. Chris Cook, 
  • 1. Nathan Catt, 
  • 2. Tom Dunn, 
  • 3. Henry Thomas, 
  • 4. Dave Attwood, 
  • 5. Luke Charteris, 
  • 6. Tom Ellis, 
  • 7. Francois Louw, 
  • 8. Zach Mercer.


Replacements:

  • 16. Jack Walker , 
  • 17. Jacques van Rooyen, 
  • 18. Anthony Perenise, 
  • 19. Elliott Stooke, 
  • 20. Sam Underhill, 
  • 21. Max Green, 
  • 22. Max Wright, 
  • 23. Tom Homer,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:54 pm

TOULOUSE

  • 15. Thomas Ramos, 
  • 14. Cheslin Kolbe, 
  • 13. Sofiane Guitoune, 
  • 12. Maxime Mermoz, 
  • 11. Maxime Médard, 
  • 10. Zack Holmes, 
  • 9. Sébastien Bézy, 
  • 1. Lucas Pointud, 
  • 2. Leonardo Ghiraldini, 
  • 3. Charlie Faumuina, 
  • 4. Florian Verhaeghe, 
  • 5. Joe Tekori, 
  • 6. Francois Cros (c), 
  • 7. Rynhardt Elstadt, 
  • 8. Jerome Kaino.


Replacements:

  • 16. Julien Marchand, 
  • 17. Clément Castets, 
  • 18. Maks Van Dyk, 
  • 19. Pierre Gayraud, 
  • 20. Selevasio Tolofua, 
  • 21. Louis Madaule, 
  • 22. Antoine Dupont, 
  • 23. Romain Ntamack,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:55 pm

Mercer v Kaino could be interesting. Roberts returns from injury.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:56 pm

EXETER CHIEFS

  • 15. Phil Dollman, 
  • 14. Jack Nowell, 
  • 13. Henry Slade, 
  • 12. Ian Whitten, 
  • 11. Santiago Cordero, 
  • 10. Gareth Steenson (c), 
  • 9. Stu Townsend, 
  • 1. Ben Moon, 
  • 2. Luke Cowan-Dickie, 
  • 3. Harry Williams, 
  • 4. Dave Dennis, 
  • 5. Sam Skinner, 
  • 6. Dave Ewers, 
  • 7. Don Armand, 
  • 8. Matt Kvesic.


Replacements:

  • 16. Jack Yeandle, 
  • 17. Alec Hepburn, 
  • 18. Tom Francis, 
  • 19. Ollie Atkins, 
  • 20. Tom Lawday, 
  • 21. Jack Maunder, 
  • 22. Joe Simmonds, 
  • 23. Sam Hill,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:57 pm

MUNSTER RUGBY

  • 15. Mike Haley, 
  • 14. Andrew Conway, 
  • 13. Dan Goggin, 
  • 12. Rory Scannell, 
  • 11. Keith Earls, 
  • 10. Joey Carbery, 
  • 9. Duncan Williams, 
  • 1. Dave Kilcoyne, 
  • 2. Niall Scannell, 
  • 3. Stephen Archer, 
  • 4. Jean Kleyn, 
  • 5. Tadhg Beirne, 
  • 6. Peter O'Mahony (c), 
  • 7. Chris Cloete, 
  • 8. CJ Stander.


Replacements:

  • 16. Rhys Marshall, 
  • 17. James Cronin, 
  • 18. John Ryan, 
  • 19. Billy Holland, 
  • 20. Tommy O'Donnell, 
  • 21. Neil Cronin, 
  • 22. JJ Hanrahan, 
  • 23. Sam Arnold,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 1:57 pm

If Armand can impress against a strong Munster back row, can Eddie Jones continue to ignore him?

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:00 pm

GLOUCESTER RUGBY

  • 15. Jason Woodward, 
  • 14. Charlie Sharples, 
  • 13. Billy Twelvetrees, 
  • 12. Mark Atkinson, 
  • 11. Tom Marshall, 
  • 10. Danny Cipriani, 
  • 9. Callum Braley, 
  • 1. Josh Hohneck, 
  • 2. Franco Marais, 
  • 3. Fraser Balmain, 
  • 4. Tom Savage, 
  • 5. Gerbrandt Grobler, 
  • 6. Freddie Clarke, 
  • 7. Jake Polledri, 
  • 8. Ben Morgan (c).


Replacements:

  • 16. Henry Walker, 
  • 17. Val Rapava Ruskin , 
  • 18. Ciaran Knight, 
  • 19. Todd Gleave, 
  • 20. Matt Banahan, 
  • 21. Ben Vellacott, 
  • 22. Owen Williams, 
  • 23. Tom Hudson,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:00 pm

CASTRES OLYMPIQUE

  • 15. Armand Batlle, 
  • 14. Martin Laveau, 
  • 13. Robert Ebersohn, 
  • 12. Florian Vialelle, 
  • 11. Taylor Paris, 
  • 10. Julien Dumora, 
  • 9. Ludovic Radosavljevic , 
  • 1. Tudor Stroe, 
  • 2. Jody Jenneker, 
  • 3. Paea Fa'anunu, 
  • 4. Christophe Samson, 
  • 5. Loic Jacquet, 
  • 6. Mathieu Babillot (c), 
  • 7. Baptiste Delaporte, 
  • 8. Alex Tulou.


Replacements:

  • 16. Paul Sauzaret, 
  • 17. Tapu Falatea, 
  • 18. Wilfrid Hounkpatin, 
  • 19. Steve Mafi, 
  • 20. Yannick Caballero, 
  • 21. Yohan Le Bourhis, 
  • 22. David Smith, 
  • 23. Rory Kockott,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:01 pm

Glaws injury issues highlighted by Banahan covering back row on the bench.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:02 pm

LYON

  • 15. Charlie Ngatai, 
  • 14. Toby Arnold, 
  • 13. Rudi Wulf, 
  • 12. Thibaut Regard, 
  • 11. Noa Nakaitaci, 
  • 10. Lionel Beauxis, 
  • 9. Jean-Marc Doussain, 
  • 1. Alexandre Menini, 
  • 2. Mickael Ivaldi, 
  • 3. Francisco Gomez Kodela, 
  • 4. Felix Lambey, 
  • 5. Hendrik Roodt, 
  • 6. Julien Puricelli (c), 
  • 7. Patrick Sobela, 
  • 8. Loann Goujon.


Replacements:

  • 16. Jeremie Maurouard, 
  • 17. Raphael Chaume, 
  • 18. Clément Ric, 
  • 19. Manuel Carizza, 
  • 20. Carl Fearns, 
  • 21. Dylan Cretin, 
  • 22. Quentin Delord, 
  • 23. Pierre-Louis Barassi,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

CARDIFF BLUES

  • 15. Gareth Anscombe, 
  • 14. Owen Lane, 
  • 13. Garyn Smith, 
  • 12. Willis Halaholo, 
  • 11. Jason Harries, 
  • 10. Jarrod Evans, 
  • 9. Tomos Williams, 
  • 1. Rhys Gill, 
  • 2. Kristian Dacey, 
  • 3. Dillon Lewis, 
  • 4. Macauley Cook, 
  • 5. Josh Turnbull, 
  • 6. Olly Robinson, 
  • 7. Ellis Jenkins (c), 
  • 8. Josh Navidi.


Replacements:

  • 16. Kirby Myhill, 
  • 17. Brad Thyer, 
  • 18. Dmitri Arhip, 
  • 19. Rory Thornton, 
  • 20. Samu Manoa, 
  • 21. Lloyd Williams, 
  • 22. Rey Lee-Lo, 
  • 23. Aled Summerhill,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

Not the strongest looking match.

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:04 pm

RC TOULON

  • 15. Daniel Ikpefan, 
  • 14. Josua Tuisova, 
  • 13. JP Pietersen, 
  • 12. Anthony Belleau, 
  • 11. Julian Savea, 
  • 10. Francois Trinh-Duc, 
  • 9. Eric Escande, 
  • 1. Jean Baptiste Gros, 
  • 2. Guilhem Guirado, 
  • 3. Marcel Van Der Merwe, 
  • 4. Swan Rebbadj, 
  • 5. Romain Taofifenua, 
  • 6. Jean Monribot, 
  • 7. Stephane Onambele Mbarga, 
  • 8. Raphael Lakafia (c).


Replacements:

  • 16. Anthony Etrillard, 
  • 17. Xavier Chiocci, 
  • 18. Sébastien Taofifenua, 
  • . , 
  • 20. Malakai Fekitoa, 
  • 21. Hugo Bonneval, 
  • 22. Anthony Meric, 
  • 23. Florent Vanverberghe,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:04 pm

NEWCASTLE FALCONS

  • 15. Alex Tait, 
  • 14. Tom Arscott, 
  • 13. Tom Penny, 
  • 12. Johnny Williams, 
  • 11. Sinoti Sinoti, 
  • 10. Joel Hodgson, 
  • 9. Micky Young, 
  • 1. Sami Mavinga, 
  • 2. Kyle Cooper, 
  • 3. David Wilson,
  • 4. Will Witty, 
  • 5. Glen Young, 
  • 6. Mark Wilson (c), 
  • 7. Gary Graham, 
  • 8. Nemani Nagusa.


Replacements:

  • 16. George McGuigan, 
  • 17. Adam Brocklebank, 
  • 18. Logovi'i Mulipola, 
  • 19. Ryan Burrows, 
  • 20. Callum Chick, 
  • 21. Tane Takulua, 
  • 22. Brett Connon, 
  • 23. Pedro Bettencourt,

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 12 Oct 2018, 2:04 pm

Falcons seem to be resting some players.

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Post by BamBam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 11:34 am

Interesting to see Channel 4 putting a preview show on this morning ahead of their live coverage of Bath v Toulouse

Decent guests too, Habana and Heaslip, features with Freddie Burns being promoted

Good to see them promoting their coverage, even if they're calling it the Heineken Cup!

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:32 pm

Good game to watch so far

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:47 pm

Shoulder to head no use of the arms! Surely that’s a Red
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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:47 pm

Kaino sin binned for a high tackle that didn't make contact with the head. Ref said reckless which I'm sure you could argue for as he makes little effort to get low and then throws Roberts to the floor but I think the ref is swayed by the fact Roberts has to leave the field more than the tackle itself. Just looked like an absolute beast of a hit.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:49 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:Kaino sin binned for a high tackle that didn't make contact with the head. Ref said reckless which I'm sure you could argue for as he makes little effort to get low and then throws Roberts to the floor but I think the ref is swayed by the fact Roberts has to leave the field more than the tackle itself. Just looked like an absolute beast of a hit.

I thought it looked like shoulder to face. But it was high and arms were lagging a long way behind everything else.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:50 pm

It was a Red, player safety is paramount, it was a dirty cheap shot.
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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:54 pm

Are Toulous eating olives at half time?
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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:54 pm

I don't actually think it was high. Andrew Brace certainly likes his cards though, so hmph.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:55 pm

Clear as daylight listening to Nigel Owens, it was a Red card offence.
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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:57 pm

He was pushing the line but the shoulder clearly hits the cheat first. If it had hit the head first you'd have seen Roberts head snap back with the force. Roberts head follows the movement of his body in the impact.

Roberts carried high and hard into contact and Kaino stepped up and smashed him. As the ref said reckless, hard to argue as he makes little effort to dip.

Watching the replay the left arm is always wrapped, the right is a little slow. The throw to the floor makes it look worse as Roberta is clearly suffering on the way down. Penalty at most for me.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:58 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Clear as daylight listening to Nigel Owens, it was a Red card offence.

Listening to Bath legends Nick Abendanon and David Flatman its a perfectly legal tackle.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 1:58 pm

Disagree with that assessment.
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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:01 pm

That tackle completely fitted the description given of the type they are looking to eradicate that leads to head on head. It is dangerous, far more so than ones that have seen red. If they are serious about addressing this, Kaino should have been off permanently.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Clear as daylight listening to Nigel Owens, it was a Red card offence.

Listening to Bath legends Nick Abendanon and David Flatman its a perfectly legal tackle.

I will go with the refs interpretation over the players in this incident. After all the refs are the ones who have been given the instructions on what is now allowed.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:13 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
formerly known as Sam wrote:
TightHEAD wrote:Clear as daylight listening to Nigel Owens, it was a Red card offence.

Listening to Bath legends Nick Abendanon and David Flatman its a perfectly legal tackle.

I will go with the refs interpretation over the players in this incident. After all the refs are the ones who have been given the instructions on what is now allowed.

The instructions have been made public. The two media employed Bath fans with have read them. I've not heard the Owens comments but I'd like to hear his logic for the red card.

I can't see how you can have a red card where there's no clear picture of contact with the head. Unless the laws are changed you can't give a red card however much Owens may want to. The referee clearly wanted to but could only give yellow as all he could find to penalise was recklessness in the tackle.

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:17 pm

How did miss the head butt at the breakdown. It's right in front of him, head on head that is a red card.

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:19 pm

Refereeing in this game has been diabolical. The clearest headbutt, right in front of the referee, gets missed. Bloody clueless.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:43 pm

Officials have been poor in 2 out of 2 so far ...

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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:45 pm

Dear god Freddie.

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Post by Maine man on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:46 pm

I won't moan about Billy Burns again. What were you thinking Freddie!


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Post by Duty281 on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:47 pm

Freddie Burns can say 'hello' to every sporting gaffes video and YouTube compilation of the next fifty years.

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:47 pm

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Post by Maine man on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:50 pm

And then to be subbed! Poor bugger. He'll be buying a few beers tonight

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:51 pm

Cut him from the team, no more chances
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:53 pm

Another awful refereeing decision to end an utter farce. Black comedy.

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Post by stub on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:54 pm

Did that game finish a couple of seconds early?


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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:54 pm

Duty281 wrote:Another awful refereeing decision to end an utter farce. Black comedy.

Check out Brace's performance in the Ulster vs Connacht match last week, the guy is catastrophic and I am really really loath to have a pop at referees.

Freddie Burn will take a long time to recover from that.


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Post by stub on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:55 pm

What did Freddie do?

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:55 pm

Ref was poor, but bath were worse.
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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 2:59 pm

stub wrote:What did Freddie do?

He hit the post from straight in front which would have given Bath the lead with 6 minutes to go. With about 4 minutes to go he then crossed the whitewash with a big smile on his face taking his time about grounding and even blew a kiss to the crowd only for a French winger to sneak up behind him and slap the ball out of his hands - no try. Threw the match with two moments of madness.

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Post by stub on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 3:01 pm

Thanks Artful.
Ah no! What a nightmare for him.
As said before that will be hard for him to get over.


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Post by Pete330v2 on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 3:01 pm

I feel so sorry for Freddy, I'd feel different if I was a Bath fan though.
Andrew Brace is a joke of a referee, it was clear last season and it's only gotten worse this season. Completely useless.

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Post by Maine man on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 3:05 pm

Totally agree Pete. Brace is an embarrassment. How on earth he didn't spot the Toulouse player leading with the head right in front of him I'll never know and then to blow up early.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 13 Oct 2018, 3:06 pm

Something in the water at Bath? - Tom Homer dropped one over the line a few weeks back too ...

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