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World Player of the Year 2018 - UPDATED

Post by Collapse2005 on Mon 15 Oct 2018, 3:31 pm

First topic message reminder :

Nominees Announced:

Beauden Barrett
Jonathan Sexton
Malcolm Marx
Faf de Klerk
Reiko Ioane

https://www.balls.ie/rugby/johnny-sexton-award-400031

Surprised to see Barrett make the list but all others not really unexpected. Sexton's to lose?

Previous article:

Young Player of the Year Nominees:

https://www.world.rugby/news/374327
Jordan Larmour (Ireland)
APHIWE DYANTYI (SOUTH AFRICA)
KARL TU’INUKUAFE (NEW ZEALAND)


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Post by Biltong on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 10:19 am

I don't venture into these conversations because I hardly ever watch NH rugby. Thus I cannot make comparisons.
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Post by The Great Aukster on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 10:38 am

Collapse2005 wrote:You said yourself that Faf didnt deserve a nomination. Marx why not but ahead of Furlong and Murray? 1 Irish nomination in an almost flawless year seems a bit light but not unexpected really.

Do you still think there is any objectivity in these awards?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 10:59 am

The Great Aukster wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:You said yourself that Faf didnt deserve a nomination. Marx why not but ahead of Furlong and Murray? 1 Irish nomination in an almost flawless year seems a bit light but not unexpected really.

Do you still think there is any objectivity in these awards?

I thought your point centered around there being no objective way of comparing different players in different positions. I would be more worried about SH panellists not really watching NH rugby. However once the shortlist is selected the panel has to review the games they have played so at least thats something.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 2:02 pm

The Great Aukster wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:You said yourself that Faf didnt deserve a nomination. Marx why not but ahead of Furlong and Murray? 1 Irish nomination in an almost flawless year seems a bit light but not unexpected really.

Do you still think there is any objectivity in these awards?

What else could there possibly be? Is that a real question? You have multiple rugby stalwarts from all over the globe trying to pick the pkayer they think performed the best based on a fixed set of criteria. Within that, how could objectivity not possibly take place?

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 2:04 pm

Biltong wrote:I don't venture into these conversations because I hardly ever watch NH rugby.  Thus I cannot make comparisons.

Well at least youre forced to watch it now biltong thumbsup

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Post by Biltong on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 2:17 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Biltong wrote:I don't venture into these conversations because I hardly ever watch NH rugby.  Thus I cannot make comparisons.

Well at least youre forced to watch it now biltong thumbsup

Yeah, All because Rassie has brought along some hope after the disaster named Allister Coetzee
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 3:03 pm

Great win v NZ but a lot of questions about SA will be answered in Nov.

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Post by Rugby Fan on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 5:20 pm

I think Marx didn't do himself a lot of good in today's game.

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Post by Biltong on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 5:28 pm

Nope, definitely not
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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 5:36 pm

Rugby Fan wrote:I think Marx didn't do himself a lot of good in today's game.

Two things about Marx. He can go missing fir entire matches, and he can throw terribly. He did both today.

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Post by Artful_Dodger on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 5:39 pm

Heard a lot of talk about du Toit. Largely anonymous today in my opinion, barely mentioned in the loose and the less said about the lineout the better.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 6:05 pm

No idea what happened to Marx, he's been fantastic when I've seen him.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 6:40 pm

Artful_Dodger wrote:Heard a lot of talk about du Toit.  Largely anonymous today in my opinion, barely mentioned in the loose and the less said about the lineout the better.

Yeah I was keeping an eye on him too. was quiet enough.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 6:57 pm

Today’s game shows enough (that most already knew) that Barrett is way ahead.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:07 pm

Cyril wrote:Today’s game shows enough (that most already knew) that Barrett is way ahead.

of Owen Farrell? Farrell is more of a 12 anyway to be fair. Im sure Ford will start v NZ.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:22 pm

What a strange reply.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:23 pm

I’ll be interested to hear what the Guns account has to say.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:27 pm

You think Farrell is a better 10 than Barrett? Thats strange.

I reckon Jones kind of hit the panic button selecting Farrell at 10. I expect he will revert back to Fird v the ABs.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:49 pm

No, I said that Barrett is easily the World Rugby player of the year. Who mentioned Farrell? Weird.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:50 pm

Are you on the wrong thread, Guns/Collapse?

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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 7:59 pm

Biltong wrote:I don't venture into these conversations because I hardly ever watch NH rugby.
You seem eminently qualified for the nomination committee.


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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 8:01 pm

Cyril wrote:Are you on the wrong thread, Guns/Collapse?

It will cap of a great year for you as an Ireland fan if Sexton wins wont it?

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 8:46 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Are you on the wrong thread, Guns/Collapse?

It will cap of a great year for you as an Ireland fan if Sexton wins wont it?

Sexton or Ioane could win if they go against the grain and vote for consistency. Barrett will win if they go for rugby brilliance on the field. Thats how Barrett won it last year. He had the best and biggest moments of anyone. And, hes done the same this year. Well ahead of anyone in terms of genius on the field. No one gets close to him on that. Sexton runs, passes, kicks and makes good decisions well. And maybe theiyre tired of giving it to Barrett?

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 8:48 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Are you on the wrong thread, Guns/Collapse?

It will cap of a great year for you as an Ireland fan if Sexton wins wont it?

Sexton or Ioane could win if they go against the grain and vote for consistency. Barrett will win if they go for rugby brilliance on the field. Thats how Barrett won it last year. He had the best and biggest moments of anyone. And, hes done the same this year. Well ahead of anyone in terms of genius on the field. No one gets close to him on that. Sexton runs, passes, kicks and makes good decisions well. And maybe theiyre tired of giving it to Barrett?

If it was the Bledlesloe cup player of the year Barrett would probably win. Outside of that he hasnt had his best year.

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:31 pm

When are the mods goings to stop multiple accounts?

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:32 pm

This is a joke forum when users get banned and return with another account. It’s no wonder posters go elsewhere.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:35 pm

Cyril wrote:When are the mods goings to stop multiple accounts?

Do you want me to get banned? That's not very mature Cyril.

Did you catch the last try in the Ireland game? Poetic. 49-7 now. You got to go back to 2011 the last time England have won v Italy by more than 41 points.


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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:43 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
Cyril wrote:Are you on the wrong thread, Guns/Collapse?

It will cap of a great year for you as an Ireland fan if Sexton wins wont it?

Sexton or Ioane could win if they go against the grain and vote for consistency. Barrett will win if they go for rugby brilliance on the field. Thats how Barrett won it last year. He had the best and biggest moments of anyone. And, hes done the same this year. Well ahead of anyone in terms of genius on the field. No one gets close to him on that. Sexton runs, passes, kicks and makes good decisions well. And maybe theiyre tired of giving it to Barrett?

If it was the Bledlesloe cup player of the year Barrett would probably win. Outside of that he hasnt had his best year.

Yes, same was said about two of the Lions tests, didnt seem to matter then either. Poinr is Sexton or Ioane never had a test better than Barrett either. So its all about the criteria they use.


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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:45 pm

They review each game they play and give them a mark out of 10 dont they?

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Post by Cyril on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:47 pm

Sorry to Guns, I can’t take any more. Sorry mate.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:49 pm

Did you have a few beers tonight Cyril? Hang in there.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 9:52 pm

Beautiful hatrick from Jordan Larmour

You have to go back as far as 2001 the last time England beat Italy by more that 47 points.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 03 Nov 2018, 10:14 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:They review each game they play and give them a mark out of 10 dont they?

Something like that.

In saying that I think now Sexton will win it. One, be ause he played consistently well behind a 6N winning side, 2 because Barrett won it last two years and Ioane was nominated as breakthrough player last year, is young and has time. Faf and Marx I think have had one too many poor matches.
3, because the award partially reflects the rise of NH countries up the rankings, Ireland leading that charge.

Not saying thats the actual basis he’ll win it on but why he should%

Sexton to win for me, deservedly so.

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Post by The Great Aukster on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 8:29 am

If flair has such a big bearing on the winner, presumably Carlos Spencer won it loads of times?

Then again if consistency is the thing, presumably props might stand a chance... except a prop has never been nominated in the history of the award...

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Post by Cyril on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 10:30 am

Is it too late for Farrell to be short-listed for putting that game to bed in some style yesterday?

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 10:44 am

Farrell is the next Jonny Wilkinson. The guy that scores all England’s points. Don’t need tries. Is he any good at drop goals?
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Post by Exiledinborders on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 10:46 am

The Great Aukster wrote:If flair has such a big bearing on the winner, presumably Carlos Spencer won it loads of times?

Then again if consistency is the thing, presumably props might stand a chance... except a prop has never been nominated in the history of the award...
Which shows the utter nonsense of such an award.

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 10:47 am

No prop ever stands out that much to warrant a nomination. Furlong for example is a good player but hardly a standout or revolutionary.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:05 am

ebop wrote:No prop ever stands out that much to warrant a nomination. Furlong for example is a good player but hardly a standout or revolutionary.

Nice video of Furlong sitting down three Kiwis including Read and Retallick

https://youtu.be/ZqgUojviuD0

Its bizarre Marx got selected ahead of Furlong.

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Post by SecretFly on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:10 am

He does stand out in that a good number of rugby observers would be surprised he was left out. He stands out, ebop...maybe not for you, but he gets frequently named for a reason, and it's not for his amazing good looks Wink

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:15 am

Yeah he’s a good player, don’t get me wrong. But he’s just a fat prop. Has he taken it to another level? If he stands out in two weeks I’ll doff my hat and say “hail the fatty”.
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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:16 am

Guns, every player has a highlight reel
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:22 am

ebop wrote:Yeah he’s a good player, don’t get me wrong. But he’s just a fat prop. Has he taken it to another level? If he stands out in two weeks I’ll doff my hat and say “hail the fatty”.

Yes he has taken the role of a tight head prop ro the next level alright. He can pretty much do it all. I wouldnt be surprised if he can even drop kick better than Barrett. He has consistently been a stand out player for Ireland this year whereas Marx has not been consistently good nor played as often. Its a very odd one.

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:34 am

Collapse2005 wrote:
ebop wrote:Yeah he’s a good player, don’t get me wrong. But he’s just a fat prop. Has he taken it to another level? If he stands out in two weeks I’ll doff my hat and say “hail the fatty”.

Yes he has taken the role of a tight head prop ro the next level alright. He can pretty much do it all. I wouldnt be surprised if he can even drop kick better than Barrett. He has consistently been a stand out player for Ireland this year whereas Marx has not been consistently good nor played as often. Its a very odd one.
Is that right, Furlong has taken the role of tighthead prop to the next level? Ok, I shall look forward to being amazed in two weeks time. Hope he lives up to the hype.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:37 am

ebop wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
ebop wrote:Yeah he’s a good player, don’t get me wrong. But he’s just a fat prop. Has he taken it to another level? If he stands out in two weeks I’ll doff my hat and say “hail the fatty”.

Yes he has taken the role of a tight head prop ro the next level alright. He can pretty much do it all. I wouldnt be surprised if he can even drop kick better than Barrett. He has consistently been a stand out player for Ireland this year whereas Marx has not been consistently good nor played as often. Its a very odd one.
Is that right, Furlong has taken the role of tighthead prop to the next level? Ok, I shall look forward to being amazed in two weeks time. Hope he lives up to the hype.

If you havent noticed already how good he is I doubt 1 game will change your mind.

https://youtu.be/PJ8r2Xvu6UA

Look at the role Furlong plays in this try. Tight head props arent known for their involvement in pre planned intricate back moved.

How has Marx "revolutionised" the role of the hooker? By throwing to the other side?

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:51 am

I know he’s a good player, just not in the top 5. Like I say, I’ll judge him in a couple weeks. He may end up having a blinder and I’ll say so. Until then, he’s just a big fat Irish prop that is pretty good.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 11:59 am

ebop wrote:I know he’s a good player, just not in the top 5. Like I say, I’ll judge him in a couple weeks. He may end up having a blinder and I’ll say so. Until then, he’s just a big fat Irish prop that is pretty good.

Are you endorsing Marx' selection over Furlong's?

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 12:05 pm

Point to make is that it's not a vote for best player in the world but who has been in the best form for the last year.

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Post by ebop on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 12:07 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
ebop wrote:I know he’s a good player, just not in the top 5. Like I say, I’ll judge him in a couple weeks. He may end up having a blinder and I’ll say so. Until then, he’s just a big fat Irish prop that is pretty good.

Are you endorsing Marx' selection over Furlong's?
I’ve seen a lot more of Marx and he has been a bit of a beast. If you think Furlong has been unfairly denied his shot at fame and glory then my commiserations. Maybe next year.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Sun 04 Nov 2018, 12:12 pm

ebop wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:
ebop wrote:I know he’s a good player, just not in the top 5. Like I say, I’ll judge him in a couple weeks. He may end up having a blinder and I’ll say so. Until then, he’s just a big fat Irish prop that is pretty good.

Are you endorsing Marx' selection over Furlong's?
I’ve seen a lot more of Marx and he has been a bit of a beast. If you think Furlong has been unfairly denied his shot at fame and glory then my commiserations. Maybe next year.

Sometimes I wonder if you know what you are commenting on Ebop. Marx has a fairly hot and cold year. He was missing for the summer tests and had a very poor game v Argentina and got dropped by Erasmus as a result. He also had a shocker v England.

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/springboks-drop-big-names-wallabies-clash/

I know you dont watch NH rugby but I thought you would know more about SH rugby. Maybe you are endorsing him on his reputation.

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