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Post by Pot Hale on Sat 20 Oct 2018, 3:09 am

First topic message reminder :

Italy 3 Nov - Chicago - Ireland 54-7
Argentina 10 Nov Dublin - 28-17
New Zealand 17 Nov Dublin 16-9
USA 24 Nov Dublin - 52-14

November Total - 150-47

Frontrowers
Rory Best 112 (c)
Rob Herring 6
Sean Cronin 63
Niall Scannell 10

Tadhg Furlong 26
Andrew Porter 9
John Ryan 15

Finlay Bealham 8
Cian Healy 81
Dave Kilcoyne 23
Jack McGrath 51


Locks
Tadhg Beirne 3
Iain Henderson 40 USA
Quinn Roux 7
James Ryan 11
Devin Toner 61

Backrowers

Dan Leavy 10
Josh van der Flier 11
Jordi Murphy 23
Sean O’Brien 51
Peter O’Mahony 50 (vc)
Rhys Ruddock 20
Jack Conan 10
CJ Stander 26


Scrumhalves
John Cooney 3
Kieran Marmion 22
Luke McGrath 6

10s
Jonathan Sexton 76 (vc)
Ross Byrne 2
Joey Carbery 14

Centres
Garry Ringrose 15
Robbie Henshaw 36
Will Addison 2
Bundee Aki 10
Sam Arnold 1
Stuart McCloskey 3

Back three
Andrew Conway 8
Keith Earls 70
Rob Kearney 86
Jordan Larmour 7
Jacob Stockdale 12
Darren Sweetnam 3



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Post by No 7&1/2 on Tue 06 Nov 2018, 5:57 pm

Both get hat tricks then.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Wed 07 Nov 2018, 3:05 pm

Looking forward to see the Argentina team. We will have to keep Sanchez quiet and the back three of Ramiro Moyano, Emiliano Boffelli and Bautista Delguy. Obviously, Creevy (Irish ancestry) will provide a big challenge too.

I think the main reason we lost against them in the RWC is not because they were able to beat us out wide as most people say, it was because they completely dominated us at the ruck and therefore were able to get quick ball out wide to guys like Imhoff, Tuculet and Cordero. Normally this isn't an issue as we just don't give up a lot of possession or quick ball. However, losing SOB, POM and POC at the breakdown that day was the difference.

This hasn't happened in any game since then mainly because of the reserves Ireland now has right across the pack and why I don't think Ireland will lose this particular game.

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Post by rodders on Wed 07 Nov 2018, 5:10 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Id say there will be at least one surprise. I would surprised if Sexton didn't start this game though.

i wonder if Addison will start at 15? There seems to be suggestions Larmour will get the nod but interesting they've rolled Addison out for the media.

The back row and lock selections over the next couple of games will be interesting. Presumable we'll see Ryan and Henderson here with Beirne on the bench on Saturday, possibly Toner and Ryan with Henderson on the bench the following weekend.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Wed 07 Nov 2018, 6:26 pm

You would have to assume its too early for Addison but you never know.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 1:41 pm

Ireland squad announced in a few minutes

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:00 pm

Player/Club/Province/Caps -

15. Jordan Larmour (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 7
14. Keith Earls (Young Munster/Munster) 70
13. Robbie Henshaw (Buccaneers/Leinster) 36
12. Bundee Aki (Galwegians/Connacht) 10
11. Jacob Stockdale (Ballynahinch/Ulster) 12


10. Jonathan Sexton (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 76 (vc)
9. Kieran Marmion (Corinthians/Connacht) 22
1. Cian Healy (Clontarf/Leinster) 81
2. Rory Best (Banbridge/Ulster) 111 (c)
3. Tadhg Furlong (Clontarf/Leinster) 26
4. Iain Henderson (Queens University/Ulster) 39
5. James Ryan (UCD/Leinster) 11
6. Peter O'Mahony (Cork Constitution/Munster) 50 (vc)
7. Sean O'Brien (UCD/Leinster) 51
8. CJ Stander (Shannon/Munster) 26

Replacements
16. Sean Cronin (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 63
17. Jack McGrath (St. Mary's College/Leinster) 51
18. Andrew Porter (UCD/Leinster) 9
19. Devin Toner (Lansdowne/Leinster) 61
20. Dan Leavy (UCD/Leinster) 10
21. Luke McGrath (UCD/Leinster) 7
22. Joey Carbery (Clontarf/Munster) 13
23. Andrew Conway (Garryowen/Munster) 8

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:01 pm

Larmour in. Interesting that he has gone for Henderson and Ryan. Everyone else pretty much as expected.

I think this might be very close to the team v NZ, maybe Toner coming in for Henderson.

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:17 pm

Yeah... that obviously looks exceedingly close to the ABs side.  If Kearney remains an injury question then it's probably it....provided it now avoids notable injuries itself.

But they have to get up to speed quickly these guys.  They have to be at a high level for the ABs game which means they have to punch very hard in this one.  I hope it's well oiled in training and that Larmour knows exactly what is required of him in terms of opportunism but also when to rein it in and do duty to hard-slog extended defending.... because that'll continue to be Joe's double barrelled approach.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:20 pm

Id be confident of a win v the ABs if Barnes wasn't ref. Too many unknowns. Someone predictable like Poite or Reynal and Id back Ireland to win. Barnes will probably do something stupid like give an Irish player a red and ignore a spear tackle from a Kiwi.

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Post by theslosty on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:23 pm

Anyone else concerned this might mean Ringrose isn't considered 1st choice?

Absolutely crucial player up there with Sexton, Murray and Furlong in my mind - our backline play is pretty blunt without him plus he seems to shore up our defence in the wider channels.

Edit: maybe not, apparently he's picked up a hip knock
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Post by rodders on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:25 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Larmour in. Interesting that he has gone for Henderson and Ryan. Everyone else pretty much as expected.

I think this might be very close to the team v NZ, maybe Toner coming in for Henderson.

Yes it is interesting but I think for NZ we may also see the following changes -

Toner start with Henderson on the bench. Ringrose in with Aki on the bench. Leavy start and SOB on the bench.

Possibly 9 is up for grabs between McGrath and Marmion, with Marmion needing a good game to nail it.

What is confirms to me is that there is a 1st choice 28 or so players,where a number of positions like lock, open side and center where players will rotate for freshness and possibly tactics, i.e. Henderson, Ryan and Toner, Aki, Ringrose and Henshaw.

Outside of this there is a fringe group like Conway, VDF, Ruddock etc. who just outside this but are ready to step in in case of injury.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:26 pm

theslosty wrote:Anyone else concerned this might mean Ringrose isn't considered 1st choice?

Absolutely crucial player up there with Sexton, Murray and Furlong in my mind - our backline play is pretty blunt without him plus he seems to shore up our defence in the wider channels.

Edit: maybe not, apparently he's picked up a hip knock

Yeah its a weird one. He isn't even in the squad. Maybe he will be selected against NZ.

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:28 pm

theslosty wrote:Anyone else concerned this might mean Ringrose isn't considered 1st choice?

Absolutely crucial player up there with Sexton, Murray and Furlong in my mind - our backline play is pretty blunt without him plus he seems to shore up our defence in the wider channels.

Edit: maybe not, apparently he's picked up a hip knock

I strongly doubt that's how Joe Schmidt feels about him.  A few players have certain traits that he'll try to exploit between now and the WC, but he needs to keep that interchangeability going and has to show trust in all the top guys to get a job done.

oops...didn't see the edit there...

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:31 pm

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theslosty wrote:Anyone else concerned this might mean Ringrose isn't considered 1st choice?

Absolutely crucial player up there with Sexton, Murray and Furlong in my mind - our backline play is pretty blunt without him plus he seems to shore up our defence in the wider channels.

Edit: maybe not, apparently he's picked up a hip knock

Yeah its a weird one. He isn't even in the squad. Maybe he will be selected against NZ.

Could be as simple as not wanting him to play three tests in a row particularly if he’s carrying a knock. And/or he wants him to play with McCloskey in the USA test.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:32 pm

Looks like he has picked up a knock. I guess he might be back for NZ.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:36 pm

Full strength Argentina side too

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:42 pm

Yep - Schmidt’s press comments indicate he wants to have Ringrose available for next week. Interestingly, when asked about best midfield combo from the three he said he wasn’t sure with Chris Farrell coming back in. Which sends a message to McCloskey.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:46 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Yep - Schmidt’s press comments indicate he wants to have Ringrose available for next week. Interestingly, when asked about best midfield combo from the three he said he wasn’t sure with Chris Farrell coming back in.  Which sends a message to McCloskey.  


Well in all fairness I think it was clear enough already that the pecking order is Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Farrell as top dogs and McCloskey and Arnold next rung of the ladder.

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 2:53 pm

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Pot Hale wrote:Yep - Schmidt’s press comments indicate he wants to have Ringrose available for next week. Interestingly, when asked about best midfield combo from the three he said he wasn’t sure with Chris Farrell coming back in.  Which sends a message to McCloskey.  


Well in all fairness I think it was clear enough already that the pecking order is Aki, Henshaw, Ringrose and Farrell as top dogs and McCloskey and Arnold next rung of the ladder.

True.  Who would you have as your first and second combo out of the four or would you have it horses for courses?
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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:11 pm

They have all impressed at various times. Henshaw and Ringrose are the two I would have. Farrell and Aki on the bench is pretty strong cover.

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Post by Sin é on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:31 pm

I think its Ringrose and Henshaw are first choice when all fit, then Aki and Farrell. I'd say that Arnold and McCloskey are just at the being brought up to speed in training stage.
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Post by eirebilly on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:41 pm

I must admit to never being overly impressed with Aki. He seems to loose ball in contact a lot and gets himself isolated and turned over a lot as well.
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Post by rodders on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:42 pm

I think Henshaw and Rinrose are nailed on first choice but Aki is very close and also Schmidt knows neither of the first two are durable enough to play too many big games in a row.

He may have name checked Farrell but I do think he is some way behind those 3 followed by Arnold and McCloskey.
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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 3:51 pm

eirebilly wrote:I must admit to never being overly impressed with Aki. He seems to loose ball in contact a lot and gets himself isolated and turned over a lot as well.

Hmm are you sure you aren't being over critical because he is a residency qualified player?

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Post by rodders on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 4:25 pm

eirebilly wrote:I must admit to never being overly impressed with Aki. He seems to loose ball in contact a lot and gets himself isolated and turned over a lot as well.

A good job for him Joe doesn't put a lot of value on those type of things.
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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 6:27 pm

Is the argie side out ir does that not matter here? censored

Oh, here it is...
Argentina: 15-Emiliano Boffelli, 14-Bautista Delguy, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Jeronimo de la Fuente, 12-Ramiro Moyano, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Tomas Cubelli, 8-Javier Ortega Desio, 7-Guido Petti, 6-Pablo Matera (captain), 5-Tomas Lavanini, 4-Matias Alemanno, 3-Santiago Medrano, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Santiago Garcia Botta
         
Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Juan Pablo Zeiss, 18-Lucio Sordoni, 19-Rodrigo Bruni, 20-Tomas Lezana, 21-Gonzalo Bertranou, 22-Joaquin Diaz Bonilla, 23-Matias Moroni.

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

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Post by Duty281 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 6:39 pm

Taylorman wrote:Is the argie side out ir does that not matter here? censored

Oh, here it is...
Argentina: 15-Emiliano Boffelli, 14-Bautista Delguy, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Jeronimo de la Fuente, 12-Ramiro Moyano, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Tomas Cubelli, 8-Javier Ortega Desio, 7-Guido Petti, 6-Pablo Matera (captain), 5-Tomas Lavanini, 4-Matias Alemanno, 3-Santiago Medrano, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Santiago Garcia Botta
         
Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Juan Pablo Zeiss, 18-Lucio Sordoni, 19-Rodrigo Bruni, 20-Tomas Lezana, 21-Gonzalo Bertranou, 22-Joaquin Diaz Bonilla, 23-Matias Moroni.

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

If Ireland don't win by three scores or more, I'll be surprised. Bit of a mismatch, this one.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:00 pm

Duty281 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:Is the argie side out ir does that not matter here? censored

Oh, here it is...
Argentina: 15-Emiliano Boffelli, 14-Bautista Delguy, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Jeronimo de la Fuente, 12-Ramiro Moyano, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Tomas Cubelli, 8-Javier Ortega Desio, 7-Guido Petti, 6-Pablo Matera (captain), 5-Tomas Lavanini, 4-Matias Alemanno, 3-Santiago Medrano, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Santiago Garcia Botta
         
Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Juan Pablo Zeiss, 18-Lucio Sordoni, 19-Rodrigo Bruni, 20-Tomas Lezana, 21-Gonzalo Bertranou, 22-Joaquin Diaz Bonilla, 23-Matias Moroni.

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

If Ireland don't win by three scores or more, I'll be surprised. Bit of a mismatch, this one.

Hmmm, ok, we’ll check back on that one. Theyve gone well this year, but theyve switched to relying on their backplay to score and have some serious talent there. Unusually poor tight five though. Ireland will lock them up, but be weary of those backs, theyll score off a sniff if theyre allowed to run. Sanchez near the line is sharp, finding gaps for himself or others that arent even there, unlucky not to be on the best players list. Hes improved this year out of sight.

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Post by LeinsterFan4life on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:04 pm

Taylorman wrote:
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Taylorman wrote:Is the argie side out ir does that not matter here? censored

Oh, here it is...
Argentina: 15-Emiliano Boffelli, 14-Bautista Delguy, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Jeronimo de la Fuente, 12-Ramiro Moyano, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Tomas Cubelli, 8-Javier Ortega Desio, 7-Guido Petti, 6-Pablo Matera (captain), 5-Tomas Lavanini, 4-Matias Alemanno, 3-Santiago Medrano, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Santiago Garcia Botta
         
Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Juan Pablo Zeiss, 18-Lucio Sordoni, 19-Rodrigo Bruni, 20-Tomas Lezana, 21-Gonzalo Bertranou, 22-Joaquin Diaz Bonilla, 23-Matias Moroni.

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

If Ireland don't win by three scores or more, I'll be surprised. Bit of a mismatch, this one.

Hmmm, ok, we’ll check back on that one. Theyve gone well this year, but theyve switched to relying on their backplay to score and have some serious talent there. Unusually poor tight five though. Ireland will lock them up, but be weary of those backs, theyll score off a sniff if theyre allowed to run. Sanchez near the line is sharp, finding gaps for himself or others that arent even there, unlucky not to be on the best players list. Hes improved this year out of sight.
Argentina don't seem to be the same side when they travel up north for the November internationals for some reason. They've been on the end of quite a few spankings in the last few years up in the NH, but hopefully that will all change with this new coach who seems to be doing a good job.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:18 pm

Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:24 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Looking forward to see the Argentina team. We will have to keep Sanchez quiet and the back three of Ramiro Moyano, Emiliano Boffelli and Bautista Delguy. Obviously, Creevy (Irish ancestry) will provide a big challenge too.

I think the main reason we lost against them in the RWC is not because they were able to beat us out wide as most people say, it was because they completely dominated us at the ruck and therefore were able to get quick ball out wide to guys like Imhoff, Tuculet and Cordero. Normally this isn't an issue as we just don't give up a lot of possession or quick ball. However, losing SOB, POM and POC at the breakdown that day was the difference.

This hasn't happened in any game since then mainly because of the reserves Ireland now has right across the pack and why I don't think Ireland will lose this particular game.

Yep agree with that. Argie definitely looking to upset and are capable. A few irish injuries wont go amiss for sure thumbsup

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:25 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

Well we did exactly that and they still scored, but if you say so.

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Post by Pot Hale on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 7:56 pm

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Post by Brendan on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 8:28 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

Well we did exactly that and they still scored, but if you say so.

Unless you can get fast ball a rush defence will just smack you behind the gain line. Most teams score against others, look at Japan last week. It's if the score matters or not. If Argentina are weak in the front five, scrums will be penalties machines. Ask any Scotland fan about making lots of yards up the field only to lose it because your forwards can't compete and you end up defending a lineout back where you started.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 8:34 pm

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Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

Well we did exactly that and they still scored, but if you say so.

Unless you can get fast ball a rush defence will just smack you behind the gain line.  Most teams score against others, look at Japan last week.  It's if the score matters or not.  If Argentina are weak in the front five, scrums will be penalties machines.  Ask any Scotland fan about making lots of yards up the field only to lose it because your forwards can't compete and you end up defending a lineout back where you started.

Yes it was the 'it doesnt really matter how good blah blah is'...

That applies to all matches Sexton has ever played against us bar one but doesnt mean he cant be effective.

Sanchez scored one, set up two and nearly set up a brilliant one bar a slight Cueto type foot out from 60 out in one test vs AB's so yeah, it matters.

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Post by Collapse2005 on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 8:46 pm

Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

Well we did exactly that and they still scored, but if you say so.

Yes I do say so. Who cares what NZ did in the dead rubber championship.

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Post by Taylorman on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 9:18 pm

Collapse2005 wrote:
Taylorman wrote:
Collapse2005 wrote:Ireland will target the scrum and dominate the breakdown and it wont really matter how good Sanchez Moroni DelGuy and Bofelli are. Thats my guess. Creevy will be immense as always.

Well we did exactly that and they still scored, but if you say so.

Yes I do say so. Who cares what NZ did in the dead rubber championship.

The Ireland team for one.

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Post by SecretFly on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 9:37 pm

Taylorman wrote:

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

Well, that's the excuse we use in the Summer tours anyway, so it's a good'un Wink


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Post by eirebilly on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 9:56 pm

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eirebilly wrote:I must admit to never being overly impressed with Aki. He seems to loose ball in contact a lot and gets himself isolated and turned over a lot as well.

Hmm are you sure you aren't being over critical because he is a residency qualified player?

Maybe its a good idea that you consider countering what I said, ignoring what I said or putting in your own views?

I have strong views about residency, yes, but they were explained on another thread so lets not derail this thread thumbsup
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Post by Geen sport voor watjes on Thu 08 Nov 2018, 11:46 pm

Strong Argentinian team. Will be interesting game. The last time they took a November international seriously against us was in 2008 for the wc rankings. Looks like Ledesma is going to have a go this time. He doesn’t like us much as Donal Lenihan said. Could be a good edge to this one

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 2:10 am

Geen sport voor watjes wrote:Strong Argentinian team. Will be interesting game. The last time they took a November international seriously against us was in 2008 for the wc rankings. Looks like Ledesma is going to have a go this time. He doesn’t like us much as Donal Lenihan said. Could be a good edge to this one

Agreed 100% Have been saying that for a while. This is the banana skin test while the players have one eye on the USA game.....
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 9:54 am

one eye on the USA game?

I'd say most players don't even know they're playing USA this Autumn.. Wink

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Post by eirebilly on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 9:59 am

I have said before that I think some are underestimating the Argentinians. They are a lot better than some think and they could push Ireland.
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 10:12 am

They could beat Ireland. I think most people are saying it has the potential to be a tough game. Even Joe is saying he might have been outfoxed strategically by the Argentine coach with his choice of Petti as flanker.
Said Ireland will have to think on the hoof for a bit.... ie, the start of the game....ie, when Argentina might have decided to attack this game the hardest to open up space on the scoreboard.
They might be and probably should be relying on the idea that Ireland like to do most of their damage work on either end of half time. They are probably trying to predict when Ireland are most vulnerable.... and that seems to be cold start beginnings.

So the first 15 minutes look like they'll be explosive as the Argentines want scores before Joe and his coaches start breaking down their formula.

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Post by Pot Hale on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:08 am

SecretFly wrote:They could beat Ireland.  I think most people are saying it has the potential to be a tough game.  Even Joe is saying he might have been outfoxed strategically by the Argentine coach with his choice of Petti as flanker.
Said Ireland will have to think on the hoof for a bit.... ie, the start of the game....ie, when Argentina might have decided to attack this game the hardest to open up space on the scoreboard.
They might be and probably should be relying on the idea that Ireland like to do most of their damage work on either end of half time.  They are probably trying to predict when Ireland are most vulnerable.... and that seems to be cold start beginnings.

So the first 15 minutes look like they'll be explosive as the Argentines want scores before Joe and his coaches start breaking down their formula.

That sounds good to me. Have you got anything on this Saturday afternoon?
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:19 am

I'll be working right up to the very second the game starts. And not a second beyond.
I'm pin point accurate in timings...just like Joe................. Cool

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Post by Collapse2005 on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:47 am

eirebilly wrote:I have said before that I think some are underestimating the Argentinians. They are a lot better than some think and they could push Ireland.

That's always the case with Argentina though. If you break it down Ireland are most vulnerable against them in rugby world cup games. They have won 3 from 4 games. Ireland do not appear that vulnerable against them in November as in 8 tests there have been no losses.

Of course that doesn't mean Ireland cant lose, the last November test Argentina started to come back into the game in the last quarter and it became a bit uncomfortable. However, in all fairness if Ireland do what they do well it should be nothing other than an Ireland win. We are ranked 2 they are ranked 11 and the game is in Dublin. We are justifiably favorites and shouldn't be afraid to acknowledge that.

For this game Argentina have selected their back up props, given that Argentina's front row have been struggling all year I expect Ireland really to punish them in the scrum and this and the breakdown will be the basis for strangling Argentina for 80 minutes. Get it wrong though and of course new captain Sanchez, DelGuy and Moroni etc will punish you very quickly.


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Post by rodders on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 11:53 am

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Taylorman wrote:Is the argie side out ir does that not matter here? censored

Oh, here it is...
Argentina: 15-Emiliano Boffelli, 14-Bautista Delguy, 13-Matias Orlando, 12-Jeronimo de la Fuente, 12-Ramiro Moyano, 10-Nicolas Sanchez, 9-Tomas Cubelli, 8-Javier Ortega Desio, 7-Guido Petti, 6-Pablo Matera (captain), 5-Tomas Lavanini, 4-Matias Alemanno, 3-Santiago Medrano, 2-Agustin Creevy, 1-Santiago Garcia Botta
         
Replacements: 16-Julian Montoya, 17-Juan Pablo Zeiss, 18-Lucio Sordoni, 19-Rodrigo Bruni, 20-Tomas Lezana, 21-Gonzalo Bertranou, 22-Joaquin Diaz Bonilla, 23-Matias Moroni.

Pretty good, very capable of beating Ireland though they dont seem to go well end of year. Sanchez, Lavanini, Boffelli and as usual creedy are in stunning form. Theyll attack from anywhere as they wont match Ireland up front, and theyll try and bore and strangke their way through this series versus the better sides.

In the

If Ireland don't win by three scores or more, I'll be surprised. Bit of a mismatch, this one.

Hmmm, ok, we’ll check back on that one. Theyve gone well this year, but theyve switched to relying on their backplay to score and have some serious talent there. Unusually poor tight five though. Ireland will lock them up, but be weary of those backs, theyll score off a sniff if theyre allowed to run. Sanchez near the line is sharp, finding gaps for himself or others that arent even there, unlucky not to be on the best players list. Hes improved this year out of sight.
Argentina don't seem to be the same side when they travel up north for the November internationals for some reason. They've been on the end of quite a few spankings in the last few years up in the NH, but hopefully that will all change with this new coach who seems to be doing a good job.

In the past they haven't had the preparation time outside the RWC, apparently they've had 2 or 3 weeks in camp so they are taking this very seriously.

They are very threatening out wide but we should have the edge up front. I think this will be a lot tougher than previous AIs againt them.
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Post by SecretFly on Fri 09 Nov 2018, 12:09 pm

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Yeah its gone.

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