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Post by stub on Sat 20 Oct 2018, 1:15 pm

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Watching Munster v Glos and really hoping England don’t lose another number 8!

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Post by lostinwales on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 12:13 pm

formerly known as Sam wrote:The major frustration with these new interpretations is the vast inconsistencies. Conway on Steenson, little bit of arm in face but generally jumping into the kicker as a bit of a cheap shot. This game nothing, potentially next week there's a red or yellow card.

Same game one of the Munster props is pulled up for a swinging arm tackle that connects around the neck, penalty. Next game Vs Gloucester a near identical tackle is a yellow card.

Cipriani walks for contact with the head with a shoulder but similar tackle outcome sees Stander avoid a red.

Twelvetrees catches Carberry as he ducks, force and direct contact with the head. No red card. Will Spencer of Tigers got a straight red and banned when a player dropped suddenly in front of his attempted tackle.

No one minds World Rugby tightening these laws up but they are so inconsistently applied it is becoming a farce.

I have seen a clip of a Munster shoulder to 36's face in a tackle from that game.

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 12:21 pm

There were at least 4 high tackles in that game that, based on what we are being told, merited a Red Card. With varying levels of irony:

The one Cipriani got his marching orders for was perhaps the softest and least dangerous of the four.
However he committed one of the other three so should have been off anyway.
36 was both perpetrator (on Carberry) and later recipient (from Stander).


In the end Glaws played with a man down on Munster, which would have been a fair outcome.



Now the commentators and pundits are playing up to the masses on this and screaming about the inconsistencies, which perhaps undermines the original message that tackle heights have to get lower. Yet it is hard to be too critical when the whole thing currently looks like a dogs dinner.

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Post by TightHEAD on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 12:54 pm

Irish and French teams are getting away with murder in these games, why are they be refereed differently to the English clubs?
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Post by marty2086 on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 12:57 pm

TightHEAD wrote:Irish and French teams are getting away with murder in these games, why are they be refereed differently to the English clubs?

And where were the English reffed differently?

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Post by LondonTiger on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 1:47 pm

Well I guess he may be referring to Kaino not being sent off, but later banned. 

Pointless moaning about that though as they lost the game due to Burn's showboating, while Castre showed against Exeter that playing one man down is not an automatic loss.

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 2:01 pm

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 2:02 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 2:03 pm

"Didn't touch the head"

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 8:46 pm

RugbyFan100 wrote:"Didn't touch the head"

Laugh Laugh Laugh

Three days spent in a Cardiff basement searching the internet for that picture Laugh

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Post by marty2086 on Wed 24 Oct 2018, 8:53 pm

If anything thats actually the back of the neck but hell we'll give you the win. Those sleepless nights trawling everything to prove you right were worth it Im sure

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 6:12 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Definitely not his head.....Whistle

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 9:13 am

marty2086 wrote: Those sleepless nights trawling everything to prove you right were worth it Im sure

Three days spent in a Cardiff basement searching the internet for that picture

The link was posted on the previous page of this thread, Einstein.


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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 9:35 am

RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote: Those sleepless nights trawling everything to prove you right were worth it Im sure

Three days spent in a Cardiff basement searching the internet for that picture

The link was posted on the previous page of this thread, Einstein.


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Really? Where was that picture posted?

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 9:36 am

marty2086 wrote:
RugbyFan100 wrote:
marty2086 wrote: Those sleepless nights trawling everything to prove you right were worth it Im sure

Three days spent in a Cardiff basement searching the internet for that picture

The link was posted on the previous page of this thread, Einstein.


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Really? Where was that picture posted?

On the link in the previous page, as I just said.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:04 am

Yeah you lied though

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:06 am

marty2086 wrote:Yeah you lied though

mmmkay boss.

You've had a bad week.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:11 am

Not really, I didn't spend days looking for a picture

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:17 am

marty2086 wrote:Not really, I didn't spend days looking for a picture

Neither did I Martin. It's on this thread, and was mentioned by another poster.

But if you want to believe I did, I'm ok with that. You can even picture me getting no sleep during those 3 days too if you like. Endlessly searching on my laptop for an image, and celebrating when I found it!

Either way the bottom line is, you were proved wrong. Again.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:32 am

You said there was a link, now it was mentioned? Headscratch

Which is it?

After all you do think the neck is the head Rolling Eyes

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Post by RugbyFan100 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 10:34 am

marty2086 wrote:You said there was a link, now it was mentioned? Headscratch

Which is it?


It's both Martin. Do you want me to point out the particular post to you?

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Post by Heaf on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 11:28 am

Heaf wrote:Whilst Conway's arm as he comes down is over Steenson's shoulder his direction of travel as you look at the GIF is from right to left (ie he's falling backwards) so his elbow makes contact with the side of Steenson's head.  There's a still image here that shows it ...

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1051126117451599872

It was me Marty - sorry to have caused all this fuss, my original intent was to talk about the issue of the inconsistency in officiating which is causing so much frustration.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 12:14 pm

Heaf wrote:
Heaf wrote:Whilst Conway's arm as he comes down is over Steenson's shoulder his direction of travel as you look at the GIF is from right to left (ie he's falling backwards) so his elbow makes contact with the side of Steenson's head.  There's a still image here that shows it ...

https://twitter.com/patmccarry/status/1051126117451599872

It was me Marty - sorry to have caused all this fuss, my original intent was to talk about the issue of the inconsistency in officiating which is causing so much frustration.

It's no bother Heaf, my original comment was that from what I'd seen there was no contact with the head but was still a penalty. Others just seem intent on proving me wrong more than anything

That picture does seem to suggest it was the neck not the head.

The inconsistencies are just another area refs are struggling with, were Twelvetrees and Stander even cited? Hard to believe a citing officer could miss those incidents when they are replayed repeatedly

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Post by Heaf on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 12:39 pm

I agree it is hard to believe they weren't cited and this just adds to the frustration about inconsistency - makes you wonder if they've not cited them as they don't want to add fuel to the fire about inconsistencies in match officiating, but instead have just made the whole issue even worse.

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 12:53 pm

Maybe the citing officer is in the games gone soft brigade, given a red would be automatically referred he wouldn't have a say in that

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Post by Heaf on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 1:22 pm

I meant maybe some of the citing officers are thinking to themselves if I cite all these players it's going to make the match officials look bad ...

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Post by marty2086 on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 1:32 pm

Possibly but that's not their job, they're there because the refs and TMOs can't see everything so you'd like to think they understand that side of it

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Post by Heaf on Thu 25 Oct 2018, 1:35 pm

Indeed - but given what we've seen go un-cited compared to reds given it makes you wonder.

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