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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 3:00 pm

Welcome  to the FIFA Challenge League




Game uses FIFA 19 version as at 30/10/2018

This Week's Fixtures:
Week 2
Morecambe v Grimsby Town
Cambridge Utd 1-5 Forest Green
Crawley Town 1-1 Carlisle United
Colchester 4-1 MK Dons
Crewe Alexandra v Mansfield Town
Cheltenham Town v Newport County
Lincoln City v Exeter City
Macclesfield v Bury




Links

https://www.twitch.tv/hero606v2

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzMxThEbVCIiOq_gKOmMqH7WgcsIpYxleuPOWIzg-4Q/edit?usp=sharing

Team_________Manager
Bury_________$ka
Cambridge Utd_________Dolph
Carlisle United_________Fluxy
Cheltenham Town_________Twist
Colchester_________Azzy
Crawley Town_________Marky
Crewe Alexandra_________Nads
Exeter City_________Trebs
Forest Green_________TAB
Grimsby Town_________Fernando
Lincoln City_________Bam
Macclesfield_________Hero
Mansfield Town_________Rof
MK Dons_________Olly
Morecambe_________Afro
Newport County_________Sodhat









Matches_________Transfers_________Other
Fixtures_________Lawyers_________Rules
Table_________Foreigns_________Press Conferences
Injuries_________Releases_________
Tactics_________Confirmation_________
Results__________________
Cards__________________


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Re: FIFA Challenge League Homepage I

Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 3:04 pm

Woooo first post

Yeah, fine with doing straight blind bidding. Do we want to keep it at one round, so if you get outbid for all 3 players you get no one, or allow re bidding?

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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 3:15 pm

BamBam wrote:Woooo first post

Yeah, fine with doing straight blind bidding. Do we want to keep it at one round, so if you get outbid for all 3 players you get no one, or allow re bidding?

Definitely allow re-bidding so everyone gets 3 players at least - otherwise it's a bit pointless doing a draft if some end up with 3 new players and some none imo
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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:21 pm

I'll post up a format for team pages this evening. We use Google Docs for everything at work so I don't want my fake football managing getting mixed up with my work files, so will do it off my own laptop later

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Post by Trebs on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:21 pm

Frak afro is now a greenie

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:22 pm

This is favouritism by Hero. I think I should also be made a mod, I promise not to abuse my powers angel

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Post by Azzy on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:24 pm

No to youth teams, for sure. I haven't followed football closely enough to know who's good in my own team's youth setup, let alone anyone else's. And I know two of the Baggies' youth team coaches Laugh

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Post by Hero on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:26 pm

BamBam wrote:This is favouritism by Hero. I think I should also be made a mod, I promise not to abuse my powers angel

Yeah because LD wouldn't get a bullet within 10 mins of you getting the power Laugh Laugh

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Post by Hero on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:27 pm

And agree on youth teams getting the chop, although I'd perhaps up squad size to 30 and have 4 injuries instead so it allows for that extra bit of space in your squad to nuture some players through.

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:28 pm

Happy to ditch youth teams, happy to increase squad size to 30 and happy with 4 injuries per week.
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Re: FIFA Challenge League Homepage I

Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:39 pm

Hero wrote:
BamBam wrote:This is favouritism by Hero. I think I should also be made a mod, I promise not to abuse my powers angel

Yeah because LD wouldn't get a bullet within 10 mins of you getting the power Laugh Laugh

Damn, foiled again

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 4:41 pm

Shall we agree prize money up front too? Its a long season, so we may need something to keep the motivation to finish as high up as possible.
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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:06 pm

Assume same lawyers and releases rules apply? Are we freezing TM prices again?

110% of frozen TM value for lawyers
75% of frozen TM value for releases

TM Values frozen as of ..?

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Post by TwisT on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:07 pm

That's a good idea. When this starts taking over the world we could all start putting a fiver in. Winner takes all.

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:08 pm

Afro wrote:Shall we agree prize money up front too? Its a long season, so we may need something to keep the motivation to finish as high up as possible.

Yes and press conferences etc

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:09 pm

TwisT wrote:That's a good idea. When this starts taking over the world we could all start putting a fiver in. Winner takes all.

You can't expect Olly to put 5x his life savings into a fake football management game

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 5:12 pm

I've copied a load of stuff from the old league onto the summary page, which effectively looks like a rules page now

Let me know if anything needs changing

http://www.606v2.com/t68076-fifa-19-reboot#3744575

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Post by $ka on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 6:58 pm

What is all this talk about lawyers?

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Post by Marky on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 7:37 pm

Lawyers offers - every week you get two random cash offers for your players, at their TM Value plus 10%. Non negotiable, either accept or reject. Then use the cash to reinvest.

Also, might be a silly question, what happens with any players that are in your squad on TM but not on Fifa?

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 7:39 pm

I would say the FIFA squads are the starting point rather than the TM squads

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 7:51 pm

Every week you get offers from outside the league for two of your players. These are known as lawyers offers as many moons ago on 606 they were presented as if from other teams
Lawyers.

The offers are drawn at random and are for the frozen TM value + 10%. They are drawn on a Tuesday and you have until the following weeks lawyers are drawn to accept them, otherwise they are gone
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Post by $ka on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 8:00 pm

I must say, that's a better name than 'foreigns'.

How are teamsheets going to work? Are we creating them on here? I glanced over something about a google doc a few days ago so I was wondering if we were using them or not.

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 8:03 pm

Our foreign transfers are when we buy from outside of the league, just to add to your confusion!!

There will be a standard layout for tactics, which is sent to Hero by private message. The google doc is just for tracking budgets and players in the league already.
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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 8:06 pm

For example, here my tactics from last week.

It may change slightly for FIFA 19 options, but you can get the gist...

Victory tactics

Injuries:
Blaise Matuidi (Sold)
Kyle Walker (Sold)
Claudio Marchisio

Tactic choice:
Build Up Play
Speed 50
Passing 50
Positioning Organised

Chance Creation
Passing 75
Crossing 50
Shooting 100
Positioning Organised

Defence
Pressure 85
Aggression 75
Team Width 25
Defender Line Offside Trap


Formation: 4-3-3 Attacking (2 FB, 2 CB, 2 CM, 1 AM, 2WG 1 ST)


Reus----Suarez----Papu
Hazard
Alaba---Goretzka
Felipe Luis-—Chiellini-- Hummels---Coleman
Lloris

Subs: Subasic, Koscielny, Khedira, Draxler, Bernardo, Aduriz, Castro

Coleman: Always Overlap
Felipe: Always Overlap
Hummels: Play as striker
Alaba: Stay Back whilst Attacking, Aggressive interceptions, Keep position
Goretzka: Get forward, stay on edge of box for crosses, Free Roam
Hazard: Stay Forward, get into box for crosses, stick to position
Reus: Cut inside, Stay Forward
Papu: Cut inside, Stay Forward

Captain: Chiellini
All free kicks and corners: Papu
Penalties: Reus
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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:51 pm

When doing your team pages, do whatever you like with the formatting other than how you list the players, which needs to be as follows (including the dashes please)

Player Name - Frozen TM Value - FIFA Rating *Real Life Club

So for example

Lionel Messi - £162m - 94 *Barcelona

This allows my Google Doc to pull all the relevant info for each of the starting squads, and will mean I only need to check back the TM values

Afro / other spreadsheet nerds - does someone mind checking through the logic of the doc to make sure it works? Will make more sense when I have the team pages in there, but currently have my old Wellington Phoenix squad and the transfers I made in the last week of the season as a test

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzMxThEbVCIiOq_gKOmMqH7WgcsIpYxleuPOWIzg-4Q/edit?usp=sharing

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 9:57 pm

Will have a look tomorrow Bam Ok!

Have done the fixtures so will post them up tomorrow also, and have also updated my Excel file for the lawyers and injuries.

Just need to update my file for doing results, the league table and top scorers and I’m good to go
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Post by Trebs on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:06 pm

Why are we still using transfermarkt values for a FIFA League?
Would it make more sense to use FIFA market value

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Post by Hero on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:09 pm

no

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:11 pm

What is FIFA market value?
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Post by Trebs on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:13 pm

Please can you explain why not, if that is the case. And is there a need to be so short with me?

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:16 pm

Tm valuations have worked well. Older players are cheaper but also less effective. Take Iniesta for example.

FIFA ratings would have made him one of the most expensive players in the game, but his age meant he didn’t have the legs anymore. His TM value was a better reflection of his contribution than his Fifa rating.
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Post by Trebs on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:35 pm

Every player on FIFA has a market value which is easily searchable. It's based on their FIFA rating and potential.

Iniesta is 24m
Angel Gomes is 1.4m
Etc.

And to be honest with the league being based on FIFA ratings, it kind of makes sense to use their pricetags as they are designed to align with that. Also it's much quicker to react to player value fluctuations (updates weekly) so it helps to counter the stock market tactics.

I can't see any legitimate reason to be so against FIFA values and how in any way they are inferior to transfermarkt.

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:49 pm

I’m not against FIFA market values. We should consider anything that makes the game better.
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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:51 pm

Can you give more examples of values?
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Post by Trebs on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 10:55 pm

Give me some players and I'll happily provide them

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 11:01 pm

I don't think the stock market tactics are necessarily a problem in this kind of league. TM updates arent very regular so they reward those with the patience to buy low and wait, but given the low starting point I'm not sure there will be that much opportunity to do so.

Are there really that many players in FIFA 19 who are rated less than 70 and are also likely to see a substantial TM increase during the course of a season?

What website are you using for FIFA market value

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 11:02 pm

Just had a look at a few league 2 players.

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Post by BamBam on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 11:04 pm

Also is FIFA market value the same thing as ultimate team price because that makes 0 sense to me

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Post by Afro on Mon 22 Oct 2018, 11:15 pm

I’m not convinced it brings a lot different to TM. Not enough to change the tried and trusted.

Open to being convinced otherwise though
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Post by Renege on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 7:31 am

I like the use of TM values adding variation myself, otherwise it’s surely just fifa. Would be like the fifa version of a lap dance, a fifa league without the best bit of actually controlling the team.

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Post by Afro on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 7:46 am

I agree Renege. Ultimately we are just using FIFA to simulate the games. The added variation of valuations is a good thing.
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Post by Good Golly I'm Olly on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 9:11 am

I don't even know where I'd begin to find these fifa values
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Post by Afro on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 9:23 am

If you go on SoFIFA, when you click on an individual players page, it is shown there.

But I do not think we will go down that route. There is nothing wrong with using the TM values as a representative of player value and as they say "if it aint broke, don't fix it". Would just add additional confusion
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Post by BamBam on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 9:56 am

Yeah, think TM is the way to go. I like Renege's point about it just becoming FIFA rather than just a simulation

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Post by BamBam on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:00 am

Shall we allocate out the rest of the teams? If we want the first game week to start next Tuesday it doesn't give much time to get the draft bids done and dusted. Don't want to lose momentum by waiting another week

Is there anything else that needs doing before we start?

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Post by Take a boo on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:07 am

Is there a TM limit on draft selections or simply any player rated 70 or below?

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Post by Trebs on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:14 am

Appreciate the responses and thoughts given - it's just something I think would help the league. The main objection I can see is that transfermarkt gives more variability, which does count for something.

But other than that, I don't see any big reasons to go with transfermarkt values. If anyone can see a reason why then fair enough, but I don't see it.

Myself, I think FIFA market values have a few advantages:

1. The value is more closely linked to their FIFA rating. Obviously it's not solely this, but it's more than transfermarkt does. So some players who are overrated in FIFA will have a price more closely reflecting that.

2. Market values are updated weekly along with player ratings. So we've got a system where player value and player price is being upgraded at different rates, which doesn't seem compatible to me.

3. It removes almost all (maybe all) of the players with 0 value which will undoubtedly end up getting signed, and those big name youngsters do have more inflated values. It helps to counter the stock market tactics.

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Post by Afro on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:15 am

We were giving everyone until the end of today to request a team. Who hasn't requested one?

We can allocate the rest if everyone who hasn't requested one is happy to just be given a team at random.

No TM limit, but you have £1m to go towards 3 players, so that it is the limit really
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Post by Renege on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:24 am

What teams are left and I’ll get looking at who has the prettiest strip

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Post by Afro on Tue 23 Oct 2018, 10:26 am

The one advantage I can see with the value is the removal of the zero values, and assigning a value to include potential. But I also don't think it is quite so easy to get to a list of FIFA values. I had to go into individual players to see their value.

I think if we had access to values as quickly and easily as it is on TM, then it might get more support

I don't see the others as major advantages tbh, as I don't think they are really problems in the first place.
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