England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

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England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by LondonTiger on Mon 19 Nov 2018, 8:54 am

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Date: Saturday 24th November 2018
Time: 15:00
Location: Twickenham Stadium

Referee:       Jaco Peyper (SA)
Assistant 1:  Glen Jackson (NZ)
Assistant 2:  Alexandre Ruiz (Fr)
TMO:            Marius Jonker (SA)




Form


17th November England 35-15 Japan
10th November England 15-16 New Zealand
03rd November England 12-11 South Africa

17th November Italy 7-26 Australia 
10th November Wales 9-6 Australia
27th October Australia 20-37 New Zealand




Teams


England

Starting XV:
15. Elliot Daly (Wasps, 24 caps), 14. Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby, 1 cap), 13. Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 16 caps), 12. Ben Te’o (Worcester Warriors, 15 caps), 11. Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 39 caps), 10. Owen Farrell (Saracens, 64 caps) co-captain, 9. Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 79 caps), 1. Ben Moon (Exeter Chiefs, 3 caps), 2. Jamie George (Saracens, 31 caps), 3. Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 16 caps), 4. Maro Itoje (Saracens, 25 caps), 5. Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 67 caps), 6. Brad Shields (Wasps, 4 caps), 7. Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby, 8 caps), 8. Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 7 caps).

Finishers:
16. Dylan Hartley (Northampton Saints, 96 caps) co-captain, 17. Alec Hepburn (Exeter Chiefs, 5 caps), 18. Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 14 caps), 19. Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby, 9 caps), 20. Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 17 caps), 21. Richard Wigglesworth (Saracens, 32 caps), 22. George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 50 caps), 23. Manu Tuilagi (Leicester Tigers, 26 caps).


Australia


TBC


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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Dec 2018, 4:29 pm

Just my way of highlighting he won player of the series by in part playing 7. Badly. Kinda makes me question why and who was voting! I also obviously find it hard to believe he'll jump above the guy who was playing 6 and was picked ahead of robshaw. And indeed robshaw. And lawes.

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Post by Sgt_Pooly on Fri 07 Dec 2018, 5:05 pm

He didn't have a great first half against Japan like most of the side. Although he did have a superb 3.5 games, that's why he won. As much as you dislike him...the Wilson train is gathering speed choo cho!!!

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 07 Dec 2018, 5:09 pm

Lol. It's like he's a Saracen and you're....

I don't dislike him at all. Just Jones w9nt pick him ahead of the 3 I mentioned above.

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by king_carlos on Fri 07 Dec 2018, 6:35 pm

One thing running in Wilson's favour is a good injury record, something that few England back row options share currently.

Your chances of being selected increase massively if you're available to play rugby.

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Post by Pie on Sat 08 Dec 2018, 7:13 am

king_carlos wrote:One thing running in Wilson's favour is a good injury record, something that few England back row options share currently.

Your chances of being selected increase massively if you're available to play rugby.


I think this is one of the most under rated comments in the history of rugby commentary. Congratulations sir. clap

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by WELL-PAST-IT Yesterday at 3:48 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Just my way of highlighting he won player of the series by in part playing 7. Badly. Kinda makes me question why and who was voting! I also obviously find it hard to believe he'll jump above the guy who was playing 6 and was picked ahead of robshaw. And indeed robshaw. And lawes.

7&1/2, possibly picked because Robshaw was and still is injured and so was Lawes for the fist two games, so not hard to jump ahead.

8 & 7 are very interchangeable these days and most good 6's can play 8 to a high standard if they are of the Wilson physique type and not the more open play types.

".........6 and was picked ahead of robshaw. And indeed robshaw. And lawes..

I don't dislike him at all. Just Jones w9nt pick him ahead of the 3 I mentioned above."


You can't have two Robshaws and Lawes will be at lock not 6 unless we get a lot of injuries.

You are looking with your black and gold glasses on, you should try adding a bit of green, then you would have some great colours.

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Post by Exiledinborders Yesterday at 4:50 pm

GeordieFalcon wrote:Miaow

You've just said there what I alluded to above. So many fans seem to be looking for the NEXT star incumbent of a position before the previous one just ahead of him has even played 10 games or so...let alone become a big experienced international player.

Wilson and Shields have covered the 6 position this summer with Wilson ALSO covering 8 due to a lack of other options.
They have played very well and its only right if they are continuing to perform for club (as Mark Wilson will be) that they are given another shot for England.

However already, we're talking about Willis (who is a cracking prospect), Ted Hill who's played 2/3 games for Worcester and is 19yo or something, and Dombrandt who ive never heard of.

Mercer was Captain of the England under 20's, is a cracking prospect and even he hasn't even made the England starters yet.

We always seem to be looking over the horizon for the next.

We know Underhill is the "potentially" long term future at 7 (though he will have one or two challenging him), whilst I don't forsee Wilson OR Shields being long term options. However they are type that will give Underhill good balance to continue to establish his game on the international stage.

Once he is established, after the world cup, we can look to bring in one of the young powerhouse 6's in a settled back row.
Hopefully Mercer will have made that 8 spot his own, or Billy V will not be on the physio table anymore.
Or Callum Chick has finally shown how good he is...  Wink  Very Happy

Talk about players like Dombrandt is nonsense. Last year they were talking up Marcus Smith who is now playing second string to a ten who would themselves be third in line at a top club.


By the way I thing young Smith might be international class but we will only know in two or three years time.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 5:18 pm

Im not sure whose colours balck and gold are supposed to be? Wasps who i don't support? Me bigging up lawes who I don't rate at 6 though he did play well there this autumn? But like i said I'll happily be proved correct come Ireland.

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Post by LondonTiger Yesterday at 5:43 pm

Love the humility 7.5.

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 6:52 pm

No point in me lying lt. Think it's pretty clear that's Jones' preferred options. I'd be mightily surprised should he suddenly start to pick Wilson over those guys. Wilson may have pushed himself up a bit at 8 but the way Jones brought Hughes straight into the squad I doubt that too. Hey you lot may have the chance to rub this in.

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by WELL-PAST-IT Yesterday at 7:11 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Im not sure whose colours balck and gold are supposed to be? Wasps who i don't support? Me bigging up lawes who I don't rate at 6 though he did play well there this autumn? But like i said I'll happily be proved correct come Ireland.

I seem to remember (can't be bothered to trawl back) that you once pinned your colours to the mast saying you were pushing Shields due to club loyalty. I suspect that you are not a Hurricanes fan, so who does that leave?

With regard to club colours, you do not KNOW who plays in black and gold? How much Prem rugby do you actually watch?


Just to enlighten you, it is Wasps that play in Black with some gold depending on the kit of the season.


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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 7:20 pm

Nope wasn't me. Nearest club I support is Donny knights but that's only cos it's at the end of the village I live in. From Middlesbrough hence it feels too weird to support anyone from a different town. I always considered wasps to be yellow!
I do think shields is the best choice at 6 though. And I think he will continue to be picked there.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Yesterday at 7:35 pm

So you know who plays in black, green and gold then?

A Smoggie then?

My family all come from between you and the Mackems in Co. Durham

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Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 7:42 pm

I do not know. Smoggy indeed. If you ever see me bigging up Geoff parling it's partially because he went to school in the village across the river. And cos he was a lion.

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Post by WELL-PAST-IT Yesterday at 7:43 pm

The one and only Northampton Saints

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by No 7&1/2 Yesterday at 7:51 pm

Ah. Of course.

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by king_carlos Yesterday at 8:35 pm

As if Wilson and Robshaw don't create enough 'marmite' opinions, now Geoff Parling has been shoehorned into the mix like a debate hand grenade!

Some say he was the last bastion of a dying breed of technically astute second rows who make up for lack of brute force with set-piece nous. Some believe he was a Prem standard second row who gained an international career by virtue of Tom Youngs being able to throw a line-out to him. Either way that tap tackle was wondrous.

Just to keep the handbags going:

Is Brian Ashton right about Iain Balshaw being a stronger full back than winger?

Should Jon Golding be starting ahead of Tim Payne?

Could Ayoola Erinle's inability to catch complement Mike Tindall's fear of passing?

Could rumours of Phil Vickery retiring damage England's RWC preparation?

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Post by Mr Bounce Yesterday at 9:21 pm

Vickery's thinking of retiring??!!! Erm

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by LondonTiger Today at 8:30 am

No 7&1/2 wrote:No point in me lying lt. Think it's pretty clear that's Jones' preferred options. I'd be mightily surprised should he suddenly start to pick Wilson over those guys. Wilson may have pushed himself up a bit at 8 but the way Jones brought Hughes straight into the squad I doubt that too. Hey you lot may have the chance to rub this in.

I agree that Eddie has a fixation about Shields, despite him not yet having a good game for England or Wasps. Now we all know just how much store Eddie puts in club performances, so the likes of Shields and Youngs could well be excused lousy club form. Wilson could not have done much more to push his case, and on performance alone should be in the 6Ns squad.

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Post by LondonTiger Today at 8:33 am

Thanks KC. Just triggered my Tim Payne PTSD

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Re: England vs Australia - 4th Quilter International

Post by No 7&1/2 Today at 10:10 am

Just can't see him ousting Hughes.

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