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Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by BigGee on Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 am

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Scotland v Argentina
Saturday 24th November

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KO 14.30

Well Scotland head to another almost full house at Murrayfield with a slightly mixed bag of results from the AIs so far.

A sluggish performance against Wales

A very good win against a strong Fiji

A what might have been loss against a strong SA side.

We have probably improved game on game if we are honest but so have the opposition. We will very much be looking to end our campaign on a high note.


Argentina are not SA, thery have lost their first two games of their tour, but they are no pushovers either and will no doubt still be smarting a little at the shellacking they took from Scotland down south over the summer, when they were given a bit of a lesson. However since then they have had a new coach come in, the legendary Super Mario Ledsema, who over the course of the rugby championship, had them playing back in their old style. It has been a long season for them though and it remains to be seen if they can raise themselves one last time before going on their summer holidays.

The Scotland selection will be interesting. Toonie stated that it was unlikely that anyone would play more than three games, though it was not clear if that counted bench appearences. It is also his last chance to do any tinkering and have a look at anyone. Surely in the 6N, he will be playing what he considers his strongest team.

For the squad, WC places are up for grabs and some players may not get another chance and so Scotland need to put on a good performance.

I think he will role the dice a little bit for this one, in many ways he has to. My stab at the team:

1. Allen
2. Brown
3. Berghan
4. Gilchrist
5. Gray
6. Skinner
7. Watson
8. Strauss
9. Horne G
10. Hastings
11. Graham
12. Dunbar
13. Jones
14. Maitland
15. Kinghorn

Reid
Turner
McCallam
Cummings
Graham G
Laidlaw
Russell
Harris

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:20 pm

IanBru wrote:Some interesting rotation from Los Pumas. What noticeable is the number of players from those wretched performances in June who have retained their spots in the XV, or at worst been dropped to the bench. A major lack of experience at tighthead could be helpful for us.

Excellent use of Excel there Bru. I'm very impressed.

Next do a pie chart of the starting XV showing those called Jeronimo De La Fuente and those who are not please.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:51 am

Currently urinating down here. Could be a wet game. We'll need the forwards to be on top of the close quarters stuff
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:10 pm

Looks damp and gloomy - could be a slippery ball.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:18 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Looks damp and gloomy - could be a slippery ball.

That’s what I said admin boy.

We’re going to need to play with a bit more structure this week. We need decent kicks for territory. If Hastings/Russell/Huw (HRH for short) have a headless chicken day, we could be under unnecessary pressure

PS, Gabby Logan has stonking legs. Just saying
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:23 pm

Key stat to see we're 9th out of the top 10 in terms of turnovers differential - need Barclay back!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:38 pm

Much better line speed and aggression. Kicking is a bit loose though

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:41 pm

The Argie 9's box kicks are awful

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:48 pm

Hastings' grubber kicks have never really impressed

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:53 pm

Gaaaaaah why take quick 22s they never work!!!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:56 pm

Russell needs a slap.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:57 pm

Probably a yellow

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:00 pm

On a different day we could be playing with 12 or 13 men on the park at the moment.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:00 pm

Argentina just flopped all over that ruck before the turnover

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:03 pm

FFS they need a rocket. Playing at a snails pace, and continuous muppetry.
We've regressed 8 years.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:03 pm

Need some possession and territory

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:05 pm

Think I might go paint the fence, this is awful stuff.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:09 pm

First time I've noticed Russell's playing!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:11 pm

We need G Horne and Dunbar on.
Laidlaw and Russell need to go back to France.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by TheMildlyFranticLlama on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:11 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:First time I've noticed Russell's playing!

You must have missed his awful up and under earlier, lucky you!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:12 pm

Conditions are poor but so us our kicking.

We’re putting up high balls and no one contesting. When they put a high ball up we’re struggling to catch it. If we’re going to kick, send it long and make it go into touch.

We’re still trying to do the flash stuff all the time. On a wet day like this we need to do the basics first. Only do the flash stuff when it’s on
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:12 pm

Dunbar would add a lot of go forward - the conditions have nullified the Hastings Russell experiment

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:15 pm

That was feckin awful

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:16 pm

This is where we see if toonie is paying attention.

Wee Horne needs to be on by the 50th min. Russell needs binned right now with Dunbar coming on.
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:17 pm

Thank Christ that’s over. One of the worst half’s of rugby I’ve ever seen.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by BigGee on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:18 pm

One for the purists as they say.

As RDW says, this is not the day for the Russell/Hastings axis. Dunbar needs to come on at 12 and run hard and straight at them.

On the plus side our defence has been excellent and they have not really looked like scoring either

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:24 pm

I think Brian Moore was spot on - if we carry on like this there's a good chance Argentina will win as this suits them better. We need to go back to what we know - we need to up the tempo noting that the weather makes it even higher risk.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by BigGee on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:26 pm

Argentina have noticeably run out of steam after 60 mins in the last couple of games.

Will they be able to keep this up for the full 80, it is a tough old arm wrestle at the moment, surely it will take its toll

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:27 pm

Weather looks better - time to go full mental jacket!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:27 pm

BigGee wrote:Argentina have noticeably run out of steam after 60 mins in the last couple of games.

Will they be able to keep this up for the full 80, it is a tough old arm wrestle at the moment, surely it will take its toll
It's been very slow though - we haven't been running them around

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:35 pm

Unfortunately nothing's changed - I'm worried...

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:37 pm

Kinghorn should have given that

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:38 pm

Ritchie has played well all round.

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Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:41 pm

Yay. Wilson is on. Now we’ll get go forward ball.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:41 pm

It's alright lads - Wilson is on!

This game should have been perfect for strauss but he's not done much.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:42 pm

Need Dunbar on for Hastings - he's got no control

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:45 pm

RDW_Scotland wrote:Need Dunbar on for Hastings - he's got no control

In fairness to the lad he's getting nothing to work with.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:46 pm

Dreadful pass from Wilson to JG. When have we EVER seen JG knock on twice in a game?
Don't think I remember more than 1 ever.

Can we have the real JG back please?

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Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:46 pm

Hastings has looked good out wider. Should we have played him at 12 with Russell at 10???
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:50 pm

We’ve really regressed this AI series.

Players just look knackered. No energy
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Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:52 pm

They're killing us at the breakdown. We need Dunbar and McInally on.
Fraser Brown must be knackered, he's been everywhere.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Anglobraveheart on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:54 pm

It's good that Toonie has experimented, but he needs to make sure that he doesn't repeat the bad ones.

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:55 pm

Anglobraveheart wrote:They're killing us at the breakdown. We need Dunbar and McInally on.
Fraser Brown must be knackered, he's been everywhere.

And just like that it is so. What are the lottery numbers?

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by Heuer27 on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:56 pm

This is awful. It’s like watching Scotland of the early naughties

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:57 pm

The ref has been really inconsistent at the breakdown today
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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by BigGee on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:58 pm

About time!

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Post by BigGee on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:58 pm

Great vision from Laidlaw and Hoggy

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:59 pm

Finally!

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Re: Scotland v Argentina Saturday 24th November 2018

Post by tigertattie on Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:00 pm

Finally. Took Hogg to look up and play what’s in front him rather than letting Frodo continue down the same line again
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Post by Eejit on Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:00 pm

Hogg showing his class again, the guy would walk into any international team in the world.

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Post by RDW_Scotland on Sat Nov 24, 2018 4:01 pm

FFS a professional rugby team should never not be back 10 at a lineout!

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