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Post by miaow on Mon 26 Nov 2018, 1:41 am

First topic message reminder :

WALES’ 2019 RWC TRAINING SQUAD:

FORWARDS (23):
Leon Brown (Dragons) (5 Caps)
Rhys Carre (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped)
Rob Evans (Scarlets) (35 Caps)
Tomas Francis (Exeter Chiefs) (40 Caps)
Wyn Jones (Scarlets) (12 Caps)
Samson Lee (Scarlets) (40 Caps)
Dillon Lewis (Cardiff Blues) (12 Caps)
Nicky Smith (Ospreys) (28 Caps)
Elliot Dee (Dragons) (18 Caps)
Ryan Elias (Scarlets) (7 Caps)
Ken Owens (Scarlets) (64 Caps)
Jake Ball (Scarlets) (32 Caps)
Adam Beard (Ospreys) (13 Caps)
Bradley Davies (Ospreys) (64 Caps)
Cory Hill (Dragons) (24 Caps)
Alun Wyn Jones (Ospreys) (125 Caps)
James Davies (Scarlets) (3 Caps)
Taulupe Faletau (Bath) (72 Caps)
Ross Moriarty (Dragons) (31 Caps)
Josh Navidi (Cardiff Blues) (16 Caps)
Aaron Shingler (Scarlets) (17 Caps)
Justin Tipuric (Ospreys) (64 Caps)
Aaron Wainwright (Dragons) (8 Caps)

BACKS (19):

Aled Davies (Ospreys) (16 Caps)
Gareth Davies (Scarlets) (41 Caps)
Tomos Williams (Cardiff Blues) (7 Caps)
Gareth Anscombe (Cardiff Blues) (26 Caps)
Dan Biggar (Northampton Saints) (70 Caps)
Jarrod Evans (Cardiff Blues) (1 Cap)
Rhys Patchell (Scarlets) (11 Caps)
Jonathan Davies (Scarlets) (73 Caps)
Hadleigh Parkes (Scarlets) (15 Caps)
Owen Watkin (Ospreys) (13 Caps)
Scott Williams (Ospreys) (57 Caps)
Josh Adams (Worcester Warriors) (10 Caps)
Hallam Amos (Dragons) (18 Caps)
Steff Evans (Scarlets) (12 Caps)
Leigh Halfpenny (Scarlets) (81 Caps)
Owen Lane (Cardiff Blues) (*Uncapped)
George North (Ospreys) (83 Caps)
Jonah Holmes (Leicester Tigers) (2 Caps)
Liam Williams (Saracens) (55 Caps)​


AUGUST 2019

SUN 11 Wales Vs England  
KO 14:00 BST
Twickenham Stadium

SAT 17 Wales Vs England  
KO 14:15 BST
Principality Stadium

SAT 31 Wales Vs Ireland  
KO 14:30 BST
Principality Stadium


SEPTEMBER 2019

SAT 7 Wales Vs Ireland  
KO 14:00 BST
Aviva Stadium, Test Matches


Start of The RWC

MON 23  Wales Vs Georgia  
KO 11:15 BST
Toyota Stadium, Rugby World Cup

SUN 29 Wales Vs Australia  
KO 08:45 BST
Tokyo (Ajinomoto) Stadium, Rugby World Cup

OCTOBER 2019

WED 9 Wales Vs Fiji  
KO 10:45 BST
Bank Dome (Big Eye), Rugby World Cup

SUN 13 Wales Vs Uruguay  
KO 09:15 BST
Egao Health (Umakana Yokana) Stadium, Rugby World Cup


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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 12:18 pm

I think Owen Lane might be picked for cover on one of the wings or center for this world cup.

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Post by miaow on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 12:25 pm

I'd be slightly surprised but thought he might have had a shot in the autumn or Italy game. Gatland went for Luke Morgan instead as he has real pace. Think Lane will be capped by Pivac, might sneak in to the wider training squad though, for me he's ahead of Luke Morgan and maybe even Steff Evans in terms of what he can bring on the wing (not centre, no way), he's just lacking game time.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 1:46 pm

Owen Lane is highly likely to see action in the summer, for me. I suspect Amos might be played as a 15 from here on in, as once he has left RP, I don’t see Cardiff playing him wing. Gatland clearly rates him highly though (even if he doesn’t have the top end pace) and I don’t expect to see Steff Evans near a Welsh squad for a while.

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Post by miaow on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 1:57 pm

Forgot about Amos, he's ahead of Jonah Holmes in the pecking order, and he stands a really good chance of making the squad.

It would be a Gatland thing to do to put somene like Lane in at the last moment, almost to catch other teams out: there's very little prep done on him, presumably, and he's got the pace that Cuthbert had them can make him a useful finisher. It's quite likely Halfpenny or Liam Williams breaks down at some point in the tournament, and maybe North as well, which really opens the possibility for a place in the back 3 for someone like Lane in the latter stages, if Wales make it. Just think he should have been capped by now - not ideal prep.

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Post by LordDowlais on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 3:18 pm

miaow wrote:I'd be slightly surprised but thought he might have had a shot in the autumn or Italy game. Gatland went for Luke Morgan instead as he has real pace. Think Lane will be capped by Pivac, might sneak in to the wider training squad though, for me he's ahead of Luke Morgan and maybe even Steff Evans in terms of what he can bring on the wing (not centre, no way), he's just lacking game time.

Perhaps Gatland might carry on his experiment with North as cover for the centers ?

By doing that, he can use the space in the squad for other positions. If Amos, Halfpenny and Liam Williams are in the squad, then that's the full backs and wings covered for injuries.

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Post by Pie on Thu 18 Apr 2019, 10:37 pm

Can anyone see Doc getting called up? I just feel he has something left to give

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Post by miaow on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 1:14 am

Yes, but only if there's a genuine centre crisis in the knockout stages, maybe just before the last group game. As in, they've lost Parkes and maybe Scott Williams as well. Any earlier than that/if the injuries happen pre-tournament then I think they're more likely to go down a different route, like bringing in a utility back if it's just one injury. But as it stands he's definitely 5th choice centre, at best. I'd make him 4th choice for the 12 shirt as well, so he's struggling.

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Post by Pie on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 1:16 am

He's above Williams right now surely. I'd say its JD2,Parkes,Watkin, Doc, SW....lose Parkes and he is surely a better option than Watkin and Scott with no rugby?

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Post by LordDowlais on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 7:45 am

Pie wrote:He's above Williams right now surely. I'd say its JD2,Parkes,Watkin, Doc, SW....lose Parkes and he is surely a better option than Watkin and Scott with no rugby?

What about Cory Allen ? Have we all forgotten about him ?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 6:19 pm

LordDowlais wrote:
Pie wrote:He's above Williams right now surely. I'd say its JD2,Parkes,Watkin, Doc, SW....lose Parkes and he is surely a better option than Watkin and Scott with no rugby?

What about Cory Allen ? Have we all forgotten about him ?

Not good enough.

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Post by miaow on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 6:56 pm

No way is Roberts ahead of Scott Williams. Think people forget how good he actually is as a rugby player - just don't think Gatland trusts him. Not only is he not a good crashball player, but he's had too many 'brain fade' moments. For some reason he never got comfortable at test level, looked like he was forcing things and made errors as a result. Like the opposite of Tipuric - not the right mindset to sit on the bench for 5-6 years and then slot seamlessly in to the starting shirt. Instead, he panicked, left the Scarlets, and it's all gone downhill in the last 18 months to 2 years really. That said, still Wales' 3rd best centre at the moment, and at his best he's a fair bit better than Parkes. Just not as consistent.

Cory Allen's not a bad shout. He's not a great player but he did tour in 2017 so can't be out of the reckoning. I'm sure AWJ would have him in there, if only so he's joined by someone with an even worse case of premature balding that him...

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Post by Pie on Fri 19 Apr 2019, 8:46 pm

Yeah but when did Scott last play?

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Post by miaow on Tue 23 Apr 2019, 6:33 pm

Minor worry for Wales: assume he'll be fine in time for the autumn but hamstrings can be horrible things to injure, particularly for some in such a sprint-heavy position.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/48025899

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Post by Pie on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 5:57 am

Holmes would only ever be 3/4th ranked replacement - back 3 options North, Liam, Half, Adams, Amos, Evans etc. Pity as at 26 he may have missed his RWC chance

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Post by miaow on Wed 24 Apr 2019, 10:58 am

He's ahead of Steff purely on the basis that he's versatile. If Amos or LW/LH get injured, Holmes gets a place in the squad.

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Post by maestegmafia on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 8:59 am

The squad is announced next week I hear?

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Post by miaow on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 11:51 am

Which squad's that, the summer camp?

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 4:52 pm

Yeah the 45 man training squad.

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Post by miaow on Thu 25 Apr 2019, 5:25 pm

Bets on the 14 players who make it on top of the 31 man squad from the 6Ns?

Forwards: Rhodri Jones, A. HOOKER (no idea between Dacy, Baldwin, Otten etc.), Leon Brown, Bradley Davies, Ellis Jenkins, Aaron Shingler, Faletau.

Backs: Lloyd Williams OR Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans OR Rhys Priestland, Owen Williams, Scott Williams, Tyler Morgan, Steff Evans, Luke Morgan OR Owen Lane.

Big Gav as the wildcard...

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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 10:05 am

I can’t see many surprises coming. Owen Lane a possible addition in the wing birth behind Adams, North and current Squad. Fourth scrum half either Keiron Hardy or Rhodri Williams

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Post by Pie on Fri 26 Apr 2019, 7:23 pm

Webb please

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Post by maestegmafia on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 1:04 am

Pie wrote:Webb please

Unfortunately it’ll take more than saying please mate

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Post by miaow on Sat 27 Apr 2019, 8:40 pm

Pretty please with £400k on top?

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Post by Pie on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 12:41 am

Hell awaits those that dont get Rhys Webb back to Wales

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 8:31 pm

He's welcome at the Dragons.

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Post by maestegmafia on Sun 28 Apr 2019, 10:23 pm

Thoughts on Tuesdays squad after this weekend?


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Post by LordDowlais on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 11:28 am

Robyn McBryde is going to be Leinsters new forwards coach.

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Post by maestegmafia on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 12:06 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Robyn McBryde is going to be Leinsters new forwards coach.

That was touted in the press last week. Be interesting to see how he gets on, plenty of talented players there

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Post by miaow on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 1:02 pm

maestegmafia wrote:Thoughts on Tuesdays squad after this weekend?


Apparently someone's bitter enough to downvote my suggestions so best not repeat them...

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Post by maestegmafia on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 1:41 pm

I thought all in all a number of players showed up very well. In Particular the Dragons Halfbacks and backrow. Also thought Matthew Screech played well. Could he be the next Coombes/Hill surprise selection? There is a lot of depth at lock at the moment but he stood out well and has had solid form this season despite the Dragons position in the Table.

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Post by LondonTiger on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 2:19 pm

miaow wrote:
maestegmafia wrote:Thoughts on Tuesdays squad after this weekend?


Apparently someone's bitter enough to downvote my suggestions so best not repeat them...


That might have been me. I have managed to both upvote and downvote posts by accident recently due to slow page loading.

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Post by miaow on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 6:28 pm

Alright, no worries.

Dragons have some good individual players. Rhodri Williams, for instance, is definitely capable of getting back to Welsh squad ability/form when you consider the competition. He's a more talented 9 than Aled Davies, for sure, but obviously took the wrong career path.

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Post by maestegmafia on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 7:23 pm

miaow wrote:Alright, no worries.

Dragons have some good individual players. Rhodri Williams, for instance, is definitely capable of getting back to Welsh squad ability/form when you consider the competition. He's a more talented 9 than Aled Davies, for sure, but obviously took the wrong career path.

We agree he looks better and still a young guy too

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 8:32 pm

Like Johnny Evans he shouldn't have gone to England. Welsh teams were stupid by not offloading Knoyle and Aled Davies. No.9 is never a position where we need to recruit from overseas. At this stage I think one of Johnny Evans or Kieran Hardy should go to Ospreys and be first choice, that's assuming they aren't promoting the very promising 9 in their academy.

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Post by miaow on Mon 29 Apr 2019, 9:55 pm

maestegmafia wrote:
miaow wrote:Alright, no worries.

Dragons have some good individual players. Rhodri Williams, for instance, is definitely capable of getting back to Welsh squad ability/form when you consider the competition. He's a more talented 9 than Aled Davies, for sure, but obviously took the wrong career path.

We agree he looks better and still a young guy too

Yeah, and seeing Martin Roberts playing for Cardiff RFC is a sign of both the depth we've had a 9 in the last decade, but also the way the changes in the game have totally changed the course of certain players' careers. Roberts had the best pass I think I've seen in Wales, at least since Peel, maybe better. But he's not the kind of player to boss the game at the top level. Tavis very different but struggled with the same role but he's definitely capable enough to be a key player at regional level. Got all the raw abilities - and that's something Rhodri had/has in spades. There was so little weakness to his game when he first broke through, still time to turn it around, but it's a sign there's a lack of good coaching in Wales that so much talent has just come and gone. Mikey's right, going to the Premiership is just entering the meat grinder, it's obviously good experience (unless you fail to get promoted/get relegated) but it doesn't really develop players with any sort of consistency. It's all about the week to week result.

I think a few Dragons players have probably put their hands up for Wales selection after that game - probably not for Gatland, but for Pivac. Rhodri, Screech, maybe even Jordan Williams... Run

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Post by Pie on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 3:18 am

Dan Evans....and if not why not? Howley's fragile little ego cant handle arguably the best FB in Wales?

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:11 pm

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:12 pm

Forwards

Leon Brown, Rhys Carre*, Rob Evans, Tomas Francis, Wyn Jones, Samson Lee, Dillon Lewis, Nicky Smith, Elliot Dee, Ryan Elias, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, Adam Beard, Bradley Davies, Cory Hill, Alun Wyn Jones, James Davies, Taulupe Faletau, Ross Moriarty, Josh Navidi, Aaron Shingler, Justin Tipuric, Aaron Wainwright.

Backs

Aled Davies, Gareth Davies, Tomos Williams, Gareth Anscombe, Dan Biggar, Jarrod Evans, Rhys Patchell, Jonathan Davies, Hadleigh Parkes, Owen Watkin, Scott Williams, Josh Adams, Hallam Amos, Steff Evans, Leigh Halfpenny, Owen Lane, George North, Jonah Holmes, Liam WIlliams.

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Post by LordDowlais on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:12 pm

No Rhys Webb !!!!

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Post by miaow on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:21 pm

LordDowlais wrote:Forwards

Leon Brown, Rhys Carre*, Rob Evans, Tomas Francis, Wyn Jones, Samson Lee, Dillon Lewis, Nicky Smith, Elliot Dee, Ryan Elias, Ken Owens, Jake Ball, Adam Beard, Bradley Davies, Cory Hill, Alun Wyn Jones, James Davies, Taulupe Faletau, Ross Moriarty, Josh Navidi, Aaron Shingler, Justin Tipuric, Aaron Wainwright.

Backs

Aled Davies, Gareth Davies, Tomos Williams, Gareth Anscombe, Dan Biggar, Jarrod Evans, Rhys Patchell, Jonathan Davies, Hadleigh Parkes, Owen Watkin, Scott Williams, Josh Adams, Hallam Amos, Steff Evans, Leigh Halfpenny, Owen Lane, George North, Jonah Holmes, Liam WIlliams.

Not a million miles away in end but a few surprises, but I suppose it makes sense that certain positions (9, 2) don't have an extra call up when they may take only 2 hookers etc. - surprising to see Rhys Carre in there but is that asterix a 'training with the squad' symbol or does it just mean uncapped? But surprised by the split of players. James Davies has done well to sneak in there considering he's still injured. Rated above Thomas Young?

miaow wrote:Forwards: Rhodri Jones, A. HOOKER (no idea between Dacy, Baldwin, Otten etc.), ]Leon Brown, Bradley Davies, Ellis Jenkins, Aaron Shingler, Faletau.

Backs: Lloyd Williams OR Kieran Hardy, Jarrod Evans OR Rhys Priestland, Owen Williams, Scott Williams, Tyler Morgan, Steff Evans, Luke Morgan OR Owen Lane.

As many were expeting, Owen Lane gets his opportunity.


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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:24 pm

Leon Brown's in the squad, Miaow.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 12:56 pm

I assume they're just planning on capping Carre in a warm-up game to tie him to Wales (I'm sure I read he's eligible for England*), and they don't see him as an actual contender for the World Cup?



* - I know he's played for Wales under-20s, but that doesn't matter.

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Post by LondonTiger on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 1:34 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:I assume they're just planning on capping Carre in a warm-up game to tie him to Wales (I'm sure I read he's eligible for England*), and they don't see him as an actual contender for the World Cup?



* - I know he's played for Wales under-20s, but that doesn't matter.
By the time he is capped he would officially be a Saracens player. Seems silly they can name a guy who is currently in Wales but leaving, yet are unable to name Webb who signed his contract before the rule cam in.

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Post by miaow on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 4:09 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Leon Brown's in the squad, Miaow.

Yep, first one, skimmed over it. Thought it was odd if he'd been dropped out.

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Post by miaow on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 4:12 pm

Definitely a case of tying him to Wales by the looks of it. As well as a case of 'don't you dare sign another contract in England'.

Disappointing for Ellis Jenkins. Have to assume his lack of involvement means he's not going to make it - bad, bad injury so not surpring really. Best to focus on fitness and recovery and IF someone goes down in September/October, the door's still open for him. That said, he'd walk in to every other 6Ns squad, probably their 23s as well, so a big loss of talent.

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Post by Pie on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 6:36 pm

I disagree on Carre. Yes he is Eng eligible but unlike Eng we dont have two superb ball playing props...closest we have is Evans to a Sinckler for example. Carre is 6.3 and 21st and can carry all day. Exactly what we need. I expect he will be given a chance to start one of the warm ups and if he does well no reason to think he couldn't oust Wyn and go to RWC

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 6:41 pm

It does seem a bit soon for Carre, he's just someone with great potential right now, he actually hasn't been able to nail down a permanent spot in the team. His move to Saracens seems a bit premature as it's not often young, unestablished welsh guys are given a chance there.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 6:42 pm

I'm not sorry but if Aled Davies gets onto the pitch then that's a huge risk.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 6:43 pm

Pie wrote:Dan Evans....and if not why not? Howley's fragile little ego cant handle arguably the best FB in Wales?

Probably because he only looks good against the bottom teams in the league. The guy blows too hot and cold each game for me.

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Post by Pie on Tue 30 Apr 2019, 6:57 pm

Its interesting about Doc and Lydiate. If I know Gats train of thought these guys are still in the mix but are known quantities; he knows he can parachute either in - Charteris as well - to do job if required. Its tough on Doc because Scott has had no rugby and Parkes - though vey good v Ireland - is mercurial. I think Doc's biggest problem is nothing is created off him usually. When he gets the ball he goes into contact which doesn't fit with the get it wide game Wales want to play now.

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