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Post by super_realist on Mon 10 Dec 2018, 8:40 am

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Diggers wrote:On another note I’ve been teaching Spanish as part of my job this year, tricky when I don’t speak a word...or didn’t. Been using Duolingo for 3 weeks, still very early but amazing how quickly it helps you pick things up. Also asked the wife for some CD’s for Xmas to listen to on my commute. There is a Spanish guy who works for the premises team so when I feel a bit more confident Ill try some conversational Spanish with him.
Anyway, early but that’s my new year resolution, to follow it through and at least be competent, partly to help with my job and partly because Uve always wanted to learn a language, partly because I really think learning new stuff keeps your brain fresher.
Anyone else have something they really want to learn to do?


I'm not trying to be confrontational here Diggers, but how on earth can a school let someone without the skills in a subject to teach it? I can see how someone could blag teaching something like art, PE, English etc, but not a language. I suppose if it's at Primary Level you could teach counting to ten, asking where the railway station is etc.
I presume it's not secondary school?

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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 12:31 pm

super_realist wrote:
Davie wrote:
McLaren wrote:Kwini

As super points out it was a decent enough save but the English banging on about it as the best ever is worthy of ridicule.  

Not half the ridicule that could be aimed at Jock goalkeepers over the years. Bitter Jock WUMMING again

Not bitter at all, as you should know I have no pride in being Scottish or being from Scotland, the point is that the English seem to have this opinion that if they  see someone as being great, then it must mean that everyone else thinks they are great. It's not the case.

Banks was indeed a fantastic keeper with a distinguished career, but I doubt you would find such sycophantic talk of him if you actually went around the world. I'm sure they'd respect him, but they won't be tossing off about him like you lot are, just as the English aren't fellating the great foreign keepers over the years.  You need to get a sense of perspective and not add the Jeremy Clarkson "...…..in the world" statement on the end of every bit of praise. I don't see you waxing so lyrical about Lev Yashin, Zoff, Neuer, Casillas, Jennings, Zubizerreta etc.

Rest in peace and all that, but people really do tend to go over the top when someone dies. I sincerely doubt that any of you can remember Banks playing and up until his death I would wager none of you spent any time getting all dewey eyed over his career.

You were very keen to go massively OTT about Zlola and Bergkamp's goal scoring achievements...#clueless

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Post by McLaren on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 12:57 pm

Kwini (or anyone else who remembers Banks)

From my football watching era here are the keepers I consider to be the best.  Where would Banks slot into this list?

Schmiechel
Van Der Sar
Buffon
De Gea
casillas
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Friedel
Chilavert
valdes
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Post by kwinigolfer on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 1:34 pm

McLaren wrote:Kwini (or anyone else who remembers Banks)

From my football watching era here are the keepers I consider to be the best.  Where would Banks slot into this list?

Schmiechel
Van Der Sar
Buffon
De Gea
casillas
Kahn
Cech
Friedel
Chilavert
valdes


Mac,
No idea as there's a 20-year span between living in England and the USA discovering footie, so most of the 80's and all of the 90's are mostly a mystery to me, and football of the past generation or two is a different game; all you can be judged on is performances in your own era.
But I'd say he was the best in the immediate post-Yashin era. (I know they overlapped but Yashin was fading by the time the '66 World Cup came around.)



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Post by JAS on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 2:02 pm

kwinigolfer wrote:
McLaren wrote:Kwini (or anyone else who remembers Banks)

From my football watching era here are the keepers I consider to be the best.  Where would Banks slot into this list?

Schmiechel
Van Der Sar
Buffon
De Gea
casillas
Kahn
Cech
Friedel
Chilavert
valdes


Mac,
No idea as there's a 20-year span between living in England and the USA discovering footie, so most of the 80's and all of the 90's are mostly a mystery to me, and football of the past generation or two is a different game; all you can be judged on is performances in your own era.
But I'd say he was the best in the immediate post-Yashin era. (I know they overlapped but Yashin was fading by the time the '66 World Cup came around.)



I wouldn’t bother Kwini, Mac from what I remember from previous wummery doesn’t even rate Pele as one of the best ever strikers so goalkeepers before his time have no chance.

Mac, you missed out Andy Goram :-p

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Post by McLaren on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 2:36 pm

Jas

Pele was great for his era but since then there has been a lot of great players.  For example Maradona, Muller, Henry, Messi, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldo (CR7), Levandoski, shevshenko as a quick list.  There is no reason to say Pele is better than any of them.
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Post by superflyweight on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 2:53 pm

McLaren wrote:Kwini (or anyone else who remembers Banks)

From my football watching era here are the keepers I consider to be the best.  Where would Banks slot into this list?

Schmiechel
Van Der Sar
Buffon
De Gea
casillas
Kahn
Cech
Friedel
Chilavert
valdes

You can't have seen much of Chilavert?

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Post by McLaren on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 3:43 pm

He scored a few.
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Post by JAS on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 3:59 pm

McLaren wrote:Jas

Pele was great for his era but since then there has been a lot of great players.  For example Maradona, Muller, Henry, Messi, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldo (CR7), Levandoski, shevshenko as a quick list.  There is no reason to say Pele is better than any of them.

Of that list the only one there’s a case for putting in the same bracket is Diego Cokehead.

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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 5:02 pm

JAS wrote:
McLaren wrote:Jas

Pele was great for his era but since then there has been a lot of great players.  For example Maradona, Muller, Henry, Messi, Fat Ronaldo, Ronaldo (CR7), Levandoski, shevshenko as a quick list.  There is no reason to say Pele is better than any of them.

Of that list the only one there’s a case for putting in the same bracket is Diego Cokehead.

Cruyff should make the conversation for any list of great players. It's easy to forget that Pele was very, very good for a long time. If Messi had bagged a World Cup you'd have to think he'd be at the very top of any list...but he didn't. And if Aguero's record can be questioned because he plays for a good team, then surely you'd have to say Messi has been blessed by only ever being part of fantastic Barca teams that have included other genuine all time greats who did win global trophies.

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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 5:06 pm

Interesting that Declan Rice has said he’ll play for England. Not too many 20 year olds play where he does, he’s already is very good and should get a lot better.

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Post by pedro on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 6:14 pm

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Post by pedro on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 6:15 pm

The only one who comes close to Maradona in the past 30 years is Platini (and maybe Zidane).

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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 6:43 pm

You really need to extend it to 40 years to include Platini. Frightening that it was so long ago, I remember watching Bryan Robson make him look bang average in 1982. Quality player though (him and Robson both).
For my money Zidane was better than Platini, Messi and Ronaldo better than both of them.

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Post by beninho on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 6:51 pm

Im 39. Best player I've seen is Messi just absurd how good he is. But big shout to Iniesta, who was a wonderful player. There was a period a while back when Kaka was the best around, and on the ball he looked so comfortable. Zidane another all tine great. Original Ronaldo was brilliant before all the knee problems, and often forgotten.

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Post by McLaren on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 8:35 pm

Original Ronaldo was pretty good after the knee injury as well. Won the wc then had a great career at Madrid.

If we are extending this to positions other than striker there are many players as good as Pele. Eg Zidane, Scholes, xavi, iniesta, Carrick, pirlo, Romario, Raul. And those are just the ones I can remember.
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Post by McLaren on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 9:05 pm

Might have to add Son to the list if he keeps it going.
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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 10:04 pm

It’s worth having a look at what Pelé achieved, 3 world cups (you had to be brilliant to make those Brazil sides, 7 Ballon d’ors, stupidly good from 16 onwards, he was clearly a phenomenon. Possibly the biggest compliment I can pay him is, he’s no Michael Carrick.

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Post by westisbest on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 10:25 pm

Diggers wrote:Interesting that Declan Rice has said he’ll play for England. Not too many 20 year olds play where he does, he’s already is very good and should get a lot better.

Disappointing from an Irish point of view, but not surprising. England are much better.
He had 3 caps for us, but none in a competitive game.

Always think once you make your debut for a country you shouldn’t be able to change.

I suppose we’ve had our fair share of English players playing for Ireland over the years Wink

Time to get some of the other younger lads a go at senior level.

O’Neil missed a trick there.

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Post by Diggers on Wed 13 Feb 2019, 11:16 pm

westisbest wrote:
Diggers wrote:Interesting that Declan Rice has said he’ll play for England. Not too many 20 year olds play where he does, he’s already is very good and should get a lot better.

Disappointing from an Irish point of view, but not surprising. England are much better.
He had 3 caps for us, but none in a competitive game.

Always think once you make your debut for a country you shouldn’t be able to change.

I suppose we’ve had our fair share of English players playing for Ireland over the years Wink

Time to get some of the other younger lads a go at senior level.

O’Neil missed a trick there.

Agree really, the friendly caps should seal it. Still, happy to have the lad. Lawrenson was always the one I regretted losing to you guys, he would have made a massive difference to the England sides of his era.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 7:48 am

Are John McDonald and Corbyn fighting one another to destroy the Labour Party, more gaffes from McDonald today.

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Post by navyblueshorts on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:36 am

Diggers wrote:It’s worth having a look at what Pelé achieved, 3 world cups (you had to be brilliant to make those Brazil sides, 7 Ballon d’ors, stupidly good from 16 onwards, he was clearly a phenomenon. Possibly the biggest compliment I can pay him is, he’s no Michael Carrick.
Laugh OK Very good points.
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Post by JAS on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:47 am

super_realist wrote:Are John McDonald and Corbyn fighting one another to destroy the Labour Party, more gaffes from McDonald today.

Who’s John McDonald?

Look I’ve said this for a while, I think the biggest thing about the both of them (and Abbot as well) is their lack of ability to see a trap. They really need a Campbell type character to stop them falling for set ups like this.

Taken in the context of the situation of the Tonypandy riots, the circumstances around it and how it was dealt with, yes there is a strong case for saying that Churchill was a villain against ordinary hard working people, in much the same way as Thatcher was over the poll tax and Blair was over the Iraq war. Broadly speaking history judges them as successful PMs but they had their moments of villainy, much the same for Churchill.
So for the listener it’s about the ability to see the context in proper perspective, for the interviewer it should be about painting that proper context (or in this case deliberately set a trap - achieved with aplomb) for the interviewee it’s about having the nous not to take the bait. It’s questioning like that, and the exaggerated reaction that cause other politicians to waffle instead of giving a direct answer. McDonnell answered directly and tried to throw in the context but the media Poopie was already half way down the runway taking off.


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Post by Diggers on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 11:28 am

There is no doubt Churchill was both villain and hero. He is vilified in some countries in the same manner as Hitler. Genocide in Bengal, up to four million people who starved to death, he was at the very least partly responsible for this as a result of his actions. Not too sure the Aussies and Kiwis see him as a great leader.
On the plus side, he beat the dirty hun in WW2 (with a lot of help from others).
I guess it's tricky being a world leader!

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Post by JAS on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 11:46 am

super_realist wrote:Are John McDonald and Corbyn fighting one another to destroy the Labour Party, more gaffes from McDonald today.

What were his other gaffes or did you just pluralise for effect??

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Post by McLaren on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 12:20 pm

I hate the idea of moral relativism (as I assume super does) and therefore I am very happy to label churchill as a perpetrator of genocide, a racist, a war criminal, anti Gandhi, antisemitic, anti collective action, anti Irish etc. There is no way to classify these things than immoral.

And you certainly can't say winning the war negates his more heinous actions. What you can say is that despite having been a douche bag in so many areas he managed to out perform Hitler both militarily and politically during WW2, fair play but it wouldn't be hard to improve on his overall legacy.
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Post by McLaren on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 12:39 pm

Here is the Mcdonnell interview https://www.itv.com/news/2019-02-14/john-mcdonnell-calls-winston-churchill-a-villain/
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Post by dynamark on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 6:16 pm

I'm not a religious type but praying McDonnel never gets into a position of real power in our govt.
He could very easily have said both villain and hero but knew exactly his words.

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Post by super_realist on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 6:36 pm

JAS wrote:
super_realist wrote:Are John McDonald and Corbyn fighting one another to destroy the Labour Party, more gaffes from McDonald today.

What were his other gaffes or did you just pluralise for effect??

An extra gaffe in a long list of gaffes from Labour. I know people say that you don't vote for the people in charge, but both Corbyn and McDonald seem seriously easy to dislike.



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Post by super_realist on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 6:38 pm

McLaren wrote:I hate the idea of moral relativism (as I assume super does) and therefore I am very happy to label churchill as a perpetrator of genocide, a racist, a war criminal, anti Gandhi, antisemitic, anti collective action, anti Irish etc.  There is no way to classify these things than immoral.

And you certainly can't say winning the war negates his more heinous actions.  What you can say is that despite having been a douche bag in so many areas he managed to out perform Hitler both militarily and politically during WW2, fair play but it wouldn't be hard to improve on his overall legacy.

Do you think Ghandi was a good man Mac? You don't even need to dig very hard to see he wasn't.


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Post by McLaren on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 7:33 pm

I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?
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Post by super_realist on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 7:45 pm

McLaren wrote:I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?

Sexist, Racist, admirer of Mussolini, very questionable relationships with minors etc

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Post by McLaren on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 8:01 pm

But does gandhi being a bad guy excuse Churchill being a douche about gandhi 's cause?
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Post by Diggers on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 8:39 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?

Sexist, Racist, admirer of Mussolini, very questionable relationships with minors etc

Sounds like he’d be right up your strasse.

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Post by beninho on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 8:48 pm

Much rather JM as labour leader ovet JC. He is the local mp in my authority, and does tireless good work. He is up against boris also in the authority, hebarely gives a sht.

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Post by pedro on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 8:58 pm

super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?

Sexist, Racist, admirer of Mussolini, very questionable relationships with minors etc
So Gandhi = Hitler....

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Post by Diggers on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:19 pm

I’m a big fan of JD, agree with Ben, I’d rather he was Labour leader. He interviews better than any other politician around, genuinely funny, warm bloke, you can tell the people talking too him actually like him. Clearly his big failing is that he actually gives a fx@k about people.

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Post by Diggers on Thu 14 Feb 2019, 10:49 pm

Here’s a question, is the ERG the most dangerous, extreme political group in British politics? How this bunch of fascists (and I don’t believe that is an exaggeration) can have so much leverage is frightening.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 7:49 am

Diggers wrote:I’m a big fan of JD, agree with Ben, I’d rather he was Labour leader. He interviews better than any other politician around, genuinely funny, warm bloke, you can tell the people talking too him actually like him. Clearly his big failing is that he actually gives a fx@k about people.

JD? Who is that?

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Post by super_realist on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 7:50 am

Diggers wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?

Sexist, Racist, admirer of Mussolini, very questionable relationships with minors etc

Sounds like he’d be right up your strasse.

Pipe down Diggers, I've said as many racist or sexist things as you have. As for the rest, it's not even worth commenting about.

John McDonnell or JD as you call him is  "funny" is he? Laugh  Perhaps if you think talk of assassinating a colleague, praising the IRA is funny. There couldn't be two politicians with less of a sense of humour than "JD" or "JC". The two of them are like Statler and Waldorf, two cantankerous, curmudgeonly old gits.


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Post by JAS on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 8:09 am

Diggers wrote:Here’s a question, is the ERG the most dangerous, extreme political group in British politics? How this bunch of fascists (and I don’t believe that is an exaggeration) can have so much leverage is frightening.

Dangerous yes, extreme yes...but also gutless. I’m still waiting on an answer on what Teresa May did in between JRM raising a no confidence motion against her then a few short weeks later that confidence had been restored...what did she do?? She did nothing but aimlessly stagger on. So to dangerous and extreme you can also add gutless and unprincipled. Incidentally I’m sure it’s also just a coincidence that he’s moved his investment company base to Dublin....showing great confidence in what he’s trying to convince us is such a good idea!!

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Post by Diggers on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 8:15 am

super_realist wrote:
Diggers wrote:
super_realist wrote:
McLaren wrote:I don't know all that much about him, what were his issues?

Sexist, Racist, admirer of Mussolini, very questionable relationships with minors etc

Sounds like he’d be right up your strasse.

Pipe down Diggers, I've said as many racist or sexist things as you have. As for the rest, it's not even worth commenting about.

John McDonnell or JD as you call him is  "funny" is he? Laugh  Perhaps if you think talk of assassinating a colleague, praising the IRA is funny. There couldn't be two politicians with less of a sense of humour than "JD" or "JC". The two of them are like Statler and Waldorf, two cantankerous, curmudgeonly old gits.

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy.

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Post by super_realist on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 8:41 am

Well I keep asking for examples, and you've never provided any. So perhaps you should stop trying to make a connection that you can't back up.

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Post by Diggers on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 10:42 am

“The party needs a good Labour man.”

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Post by JAS on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 11:18 am

super_realist wrote:
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super_realist wrote:Are John McDonald and Corbyn fighting one another to destroy the Labour Party, more gaffes from McDonald today.

What were his other gaffes or did you just pluralise for effect??

An extra gaffe in a long list of gaffes from Labour. I know people say that you don't vote for the people in charge, but both Corbyn and McDonald seem seriously easy to dislike.



Super you said more Gaffes “today” implying that he’d had more than one a) he hadn’t and b) it’s debateable whether the villain comment taken in the right context should be construed as a gaffe.

For someone who’s been in parliament for over 20 years, he’s increased the size of his majority from 13000 to 18000 that suggests that his constituents think he’s doing a good job.
His previous “IRA” comments were ill advised but again blown out of all proportion, passing comment on the struggles of the disadvantaged isn’t quite the same as rolling tanks into town to crush worker uprisings is it?? Maduro does that and he’s a villain, Churchill does it and he’s a hero...sometimes it helps to see things from a different perspective rather than rabid blue tinted spectacles.

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Post by Shotrock on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:01 pm

I can't recall on which thread the "accent" comments were, but I thought some might find this interesting. NYT does some pretty entertaining interactive infographics:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/02/15/upshot/british-irish-dialect-quiz.html?imp_id=704782142&action=click&module=trending&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

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Post by Davie on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:14 pm

By sheer coincidence I just saw that accent thing on Facebook and though I don't usually do that sort of thing I gave it a go.

Very accurate for me - despite living "darn sarf" for almost 40 years it pegged my place of birth pretty accurately!

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Post by McLaren on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:24 pm

That was good fun shotrock, thanks for posting.

I got West lothian to west coast, so sort of the central belt and just west of Glasgow. Which isn't bad given I come from Edinburgh (Well just outside of)
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Post by Roller_Coaster on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 12:45 pm

Cheers Shot.

Chalk another pretty accurate one up.

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Post by Diggers on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 3:24 pm

Had me as north east, pretty clever.

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Post by kwinigolfer on Fri 15 Feb 2019, 5:20 pm

Where did I see that before?

Yup, I suppose it ascribed my mumbling drone fairly appropriately.

Many years ago, I was hitching in England and a bloke who claimed to be an accent specialist (no idea the correct name) pin-pointed my roots exactly, even though I had only lived there for a very few childhood years. Still trying to hold on to my dull monotone after 42 years!

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My wife's accent gets picked up fairly easily but only by those who are from CNY - how about you?

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