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Post by Stone Motif on Sun 30 Dec 2018, 11:19 pm

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RiscaGame wrote:A good win for Dragons. Wonder if George North might get banned this week for more shethousery. Guy is turning into a dirty get down there.

Wasn’t too convinced by the subs we made, but they turned out to be wise choices. That includes Tovey steadying the ship and kicking the winner and surprisingly Suter being solid in the scrum.
It's an amazing win given the Ospreys dominance. If they'd have made the right calls our luck would have run out I think.
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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Fri 10 Jan 2020, 12:46 pm

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Stone Motif wrote:https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18150286.fairbrother-starts-emergency-loosehead-dragons-castres/
In other bizarre decision making news, we are trialling the Cornish Barrel at Loosehead away to Castres. Anyone else hear the "Oh Sh7tballs" song from Deadpool II while they digest this news?

Is Harris banned? Shocking if true. Jarvis should be LH cover.

Two-match ban. Jarvis has 'suffered a knock to the leg'.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 10 Jan 2020, 1:14 pm

I thought it was a good clearout… Couldn't have happened to a better 9... Anyway our selection seems a bit understrength if we're looking to make ground in this competition. I wouldn't have said we should be looking to cover back 3 next season, however Williams and Talbot-Davies out, and Howells always injured has made me think otherwise.

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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 10 Jan 2020, 3:29 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:Castres: J Dumora, F Nakosi, T Combezou, Y David, T Paris, T Fortunel, R Kockott; M Tierney, J Jenneker, W Hounkpatin, L Jacquet, V Moreaux, B Delaporte (captain), A Tulou, A Jelonch. Replacements: K Firmin, W de Benedittis, K Wihongi, C Samson, C Gerondeau, L Radosavljevic, F Vialelle, M Laveau.

Dragons: J Botica, J Rosser, A Warren, T Griffiths, R Dyer, S Davies, T Knoyle, L Fairbrother, E Dee, L Brown, J Davies, M Screech, C Hill (captain), T Basham, R Moriarty. Replacements: E Shipp, J Reynolds, C Coleman, M Williams, H Keddie, R Williams, A Robson, C Penny.


Referee: JP Doyle (England)

I know so little about Castres that I don't know what to expect from this even with Fairbrother at loosehead. You'd assume any Top 14 side can scrummage, but how close is this to their first XV?

Sounds like there are three pretty tall props playing (with Barrel the exemption). So I guess it’s hard to guess what that will mean, as ideally we would want to try and get them lower than they’re comfortable with.

I don’t get how Jarvis has been injured, on a light training week.

I don’t get some of the selections, when next game is the one to do that in. Pretty inexperienced set of front five replacements to bring on too. Best hope for a Worcester win next week now.

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Post by RiscaGame on Sat 11 Jan 2020, 9:00 pm

Expected result for us. Disappointed we left a try scoring bonus out there though. That could be costly. Tavis Knoyle killed us first half. Awful box kicking and very laboured getting the ball away (when it wasn’t slowed by Castres players flopping everywhere).

Hopefully, a Worcester win on Friday, no BP.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 11 Jan 2020, 9:09 pm

The backs looked like they were struggling again, from what I saw in the first half. I only caught glimpses of the second half. That’s also expected from Knoyle tbh, he’s Aled Davies 2.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 13 Jan 2020, 9:32 pm

So Ross is set to take a pay cut. Ospreys is off the table for now, because Pivac helps decide his worth - I think we'll start to see less of the regions outbidding each other from now on. His agent has held talks with Blues. He was also linked to Exeter, but playing outside of Wales means he will no longer play for Wales.

I don't see why he would go to Blues and they have a lot of good flankers anyway, with Seb Davies able to play 8.

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Post by RiscaGame on Mon 13 Jan 2020, 9:54 pm

Going to the Blues would be a sidewards step for next season. If a team qualifies for the Champions Cup, then I’d say fair enough. Otherwise, you’re just playing in the same competitions. There’s no benefit to him going there really.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Mon 13 Jan 2020, 9:58 pm

Yeah those were my thoughts. I think it would also hinder the development of Lewis-Hughes, Botham and the new lad they just signed from their academy. Seb Davies at 8 could become permanent too, as I don't think he's really been cutting it at lock.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 11:05 am

If he wants to start, then he might have to move to the Blues. If Griffiths, Wainwright and Basham are all fit, which of them would you drop to accommodate Moriarty?

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Post by RiscaGame on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 11:49 am

Fair point. I just get the feeling that Moriarty would be Ryan’s first choice. Not sure why really.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 11:58 am

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:If he wants to start, then he might have to move to the Blues. If Griffiths, Wainwright and Basham are all fit, which of them would you drop to accommodate Moriarty?

Either or. I get the feeling it would be Griffiths given his injury record over the last few seasons. Ross is a different style of flanker so it would be good to have that option, an actual 8 rather than a makeshift one. Not knocking our 7's who can play 8, they step in and do a great job.

If he's a starter at Blues then who do you see them dropping, bearing in mind they have some quality options of their own?

As I said before if we do lose Ross then I would bring in a NWQ at 8.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 12:00 pm

You wouldn't think the 'environment' is that much better at the Blues, if he's going to be on roughly the same money.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 12:11 pm

No I wouldn't think that. It reminds me of the time people were saying Faletau should go to Bath to improve, even though he was a Lions starter at the time. Some people just don't think.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 12:27 pm

Going to Bath is different, plus we were awful then.

As Risca says, going to the Blues seems like a sidewards step. Would the coaching be significantly better, for example?

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 1:16 pm

You missed the point. Bath was supposedly a better environment, even though they're not that good, and Faletau was meant to improve as a player there despite being at the top of his game. The same people will claim Ross can go to Blues and improve, I just don't see it.

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Post by Blueschief on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 1:50 pm

Would prefer to see Moriarty stay at Dragons, we need 4 good regions and Ryan is heaps better than Mulvers as a head coach. Mulvers is a useless head coach, he would be ok as a backs/attack coach tho if he stopped the bizarre selections.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 2:01 pm

Blueschief wrote:Would prefer to see Moriarty stay at Dragons, we need 4 good regions and Ryan is heaps better than Mulvers as a head coach. Mulvers is a useless head coach, he would be ok as a backs/attack coach tho if he stopped the bizarre selections.

Pretty much what I've been saying about Mulvers and his selection policy!

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 2:14 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:You missed the point. Bath was supposedly a better environment, even though they're not that good, and Faletau was meant to improve as a player there despite being at the top of his game. The same people will claim Ross can go to Blues and improve, I just don't see it.

Bath was a better environment. We're arguing whether or not the Blues would be a better environment.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Tue 14 Jan 2020, 2:22 pm

Luckless Pedestrian wrote:
mikey_dragon wrote:You missed the point. Bath was supposedly a better environment, even though they're not that good, and Faletau was meant to improve as a player there despite being at the top of his game. The same people will claim Ross can go to Blues and improve, I just don't see it.

Bath was a better environment. We're arguing whether or not the Blues would be a better environment.

I don't disagree. I'm arguing that the background context is likely the same, that some people believe these players can improve by moving elsewhere. Faletau didn't as he was at the height of his game, and I doubt Ross would improve by going to the Blues; arguably he is another player near the top of his game (also a Lions call-up).

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 12:15 pm

Dragons: C Penny, J Rosser, A Warren, T Griffiths, R Dyer, S Davies, T Knoyle, L Fairbrother, E Dee, L Brown, M Screech, C Hill (captain), A Wainwright, T Basham, R Moriarty. Replacements: E Shipp, J Reynolds, C Coleman, J Davies, H Keddie, L Baldwin, J Botica, T Morgan.

Enisei-STM: To come.

Referee: Joy Neville (Ireland)


'To make the quarter-finals the Dragons need to win with a bonus point and then hope a freak result doesn’t happen in Worcester.

If the Warriors win with a bonus point and Castres gain two bonuses then all three teams will finish Pool One on 20 points and it will be Ryan’s men that miss out.'


https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/sport/18165237.hill-returns-lock-dragons-euro-clash-enisei-stm/

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 12:20 pm

Poor bench again. Hope Knoyle is better this week.

Strong Pack. Will be interesting to see how Penny goes.

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 12:22 pm

I don't know why Rhodri Williams is missing altogether.

I remember seeing Carwyn Penny for Gloucester in some tournament (the Premiership Cup or something?) and he was alright.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 12:30 pm

Bit frustrating that nothing is mentioned about it. I normally expect to read about why certain players miss out in the Argus, but even they haven't said anything yet.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 1:25 pm

Chris Kirwan just said that Hibbard and Rhodri Williams are niggles. Nansen isn’t getting selected.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 1:30 pm

Is Nansen being phased out? I don’t recall but his contract was probably 2 years.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 1:41 pm

It does seem that way.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 1:45 pm

Well I hope we’re looking to recruit a replacement. Will Rowlands will be good with me...

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Post by Luckless Pedestrian on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 3:41 pm

Pot Hale wrote:Another notch on the season belt - congrats Dragons and their fans.  4 wins on the board already and we're not at the halfway point yet.  And the next rounds during the 6N where Bennetton (h), Glasgow (a) will be without key players. Cheetahs (h), Ulster, Scarlets, Ulster might be a tougher chunk before you meet Ospreys again, then a tour in SA for two matches in May.  

I was just looking at the games we'll have during the Six Nations: Treviso at home, Glasgow away, Cheetahs at home, Ulster away. It's always better to go to Scotstoun when Glasgow are missing their Test players, and while Treviso are a good side these days, home and away, I'd guess they've had more players called up than we've had, so that's an advantage for us. The Cheetahs I have to admit I don't know how well they travel, and then a trip to Ravenhill, where worse Dragons sides than this have given them a game in the past (albeit we've had some hidings too).

I wouldn't bet on us winning either away game, but with our first-choice half backs and Basham available, who knows. If we lose the two home games, I'll be disappointed.

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Post by RiscaGame on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 8:28 pm

If we can get Jarvis fit for it all and have a front row of Harris, Hibbard and Jarvis, I would be happy.

It’s hard to tell what the Cheetahs are like really. I don’t really pay attention to them, but they’re not weakened at all unlike us. We should’ve beaten them last season though (I think). We should beat Treviso.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Thu 16 Jan 2020, 8:32 pm

Cheetahs were unstoppable on their own patch earlier in the season. Since then they've had time off and only played away games, they weren't as good away from home but still competitive. I think them and Bennetton are definitely winnable games, Glasgow I hope we're more competitive this time and probably won't get anything at Ulster.

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 7:30 pm

Basham out and Keddie in - late change due to illness. Big loss.
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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 7:45 pm

The Oracle wrote:Basham out and Keddie in - late change due to illness. Big loss.

Good luck dragons, play your hearts out make us proud..!

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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 8:32 pm

I bet that’s mumps again. Mad how much of it is about (Swansea and Newport).

Interesting to see Joy Neville referee Dee stepping off the mark before throwing. She should manage the gap better though, as well.

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 8:41 pm

We're making hard work of this. Hoping Enesei tyre in the 2nd half. We need a big score.
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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 8:59 pm

Tire, even!
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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:19 pm

Meanwhile over at Worcester v Castre the nightmare scenario is unfolding. Both only 3 tries each. One more each and castre getting within 7 and we do not go through even with a BP win.
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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:23 pm

Tyler Morgan - on as a sub, scored a try, injured in the process. Not nice to see but the guy must be made of glass. Might have injured himself with the flamboyant dive, which would be ridiculous if so.
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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:30 pm

Worcester are beating Castre at the moment so all looking good right?

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:31 pm

No, I think if Worcester win with BP and castre get a losing BP and a try BP then Dragons are out regardless of how we do v Enesei
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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:32 pm

Castre just scored and have a try BP
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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:40 pm

Not much urgency from us and a poor spectacle overall. Keddie is unlucky not to be in the first team. I almost forgot how bad Knoyle was tbh.

I don’t think we deserve to go through. We’ve improved but our form isn’t good enough.

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Post by The Oracle on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:42 pm

Castre now in the lead. If it stays like that Dragons finish 2nd in the group. Not sure what that means for us.
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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:43 pm

Castres winning now

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:47 pm

Have to give credit to Castres winning the group whilst throwing a game.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:48 pm

Some individual has popped up again, but I’m sure it’s just them that actually believes Scott williams tore us apart a couple weeks ago? Because I certainly don’t think SW did.

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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:52 pm

mikey_dragon wrote:Some individual has popped up again, but I’m sure it’s just them that actually believes Scott williams tore us apart a couple weeks ago? Because I certainly don’t think SW did.

Neither do most Ospreys fans..

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Post by maestegmafia on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 9:53 pm

Result your through

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 10:00 pm

Ah, for some reason I thought it was Castres and Wuss.

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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 10:00 pm

Actually thought that was a very professional job by us. We deserved to win the group really, as even without the dodgy red, I think we should’ve won that Worcester away game. Anyway, Enisei-STM have ran all the teams close for long periods in most if not all games, so what we’ve done is brilliant. Joy Neville gave us nothing too, especially set piece (until the end).

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Post by mikey_dragon on Fri 17 Jan 2020, 10:04 pm

Dregs definitely grinded it but it seemed like there was less urgency and effort compared to previous rounds. I fell asleep briefly in the first half which is also telling...

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