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Post by RDW on Mon 28 Jan 2019, 9:41 am

First topic message reminder :

Folks,

For those who do not already know, Hero (the original founder of the forum) is stepping down from running the site and I am taking over from him. The first big announcement is that I’ve up-rated the rugby moderating team, with George Carlin stepping up to rugby Administrator and new mods Biggee, London Tiger and maestagmafia created. There will be an Irish/Northern Irish mod to come but they haven’t opened their PM yet asking if they want to do it!

I’m keen to get people’s opinions on the site, good or bad, and to hear ideas on how we can make the site better. I would appreciate if this doesn’t just become a moan about mods – once again worth reminding that we are all volunteers who try to do our best in our spare time. Hopefully adding more moderators will help complaints be resolved more quickly. Ultimately though if all posters treat each other with respect and act with maturity we wouldn’t have any modding to do!

So I’ll leave this as an open forum to raise any points you want to raise and hopefully we can get some ideas.

Finally, I would appreciate if you could follow our new Twitter account – we used to have one but the password for it is long gone! https://twitter.com/606v2R if you could give a retweet as well that would be super.

Cheers,

RDW (Ross)

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Post by RDW on Fri 03 May 2019, 9:24 am

So we seem to have stirred a hornets nest recently so I just want to clarify a few things:

First of all 7.5 - I'm afraid you're not going to get a polite message explaining why every post has been deleted. We've had to spend so much time recently dealing with large groups of people wumming against each other and we're not going to spend more time writing out messages explaining why we've done what we've done. This didn't happen on the old 606 and doesn't happen on any other forum that I know of - posts get deleted and that's that. This is not a democracy - the forum is run by a group of people (headed by me) who make the decisions together in the best interest of the forum. If you're not happy about something we've done then PM a mod/admin/me - don't start poo flinging on threads as it just ruins them.

To reiterate for the thousandth time, a lot of moderating is done behind the scenes with PMs and preemptively deleting things that we know are going to cause people to kick off - just because you can't see it happening doesn't mean it isn't. We discuss most issues as a group and I can assure you that no mod is doing things for personal gain or to push their own agenda - I have full transparency on what every mod does and often they are just the messenger (i.e. the person that pushes the button).

Basically we have a large group of people - pretty much a Welsh/English divide with a few others drawn into it - who just fundamentally don't get on yet also seem to enjoy baiting and taunting each other. We try and deal with this as best as we can but it is an impossible situation - if we remove a post or give someone a telling off from one side we get accused of bias for not doing the same to the other. If we do it to both at the same time we're told we're being heavy handed and not allowing the debate to happen. If we do nothing we get told that #insert name here# is constantly saying bad things about the Welsh/English and we do nothing about it. Does all this sound familiar?

You know what the common theme is here though? If people just posted in a positive manner and talked about rugby - with a bit of banter - none of the above would have to happen. Similarly if people didn't assume every post was a personal insult - someone expressing a different opinion doesn't mean they're wumming - the forum would be a much happier place.

So where do we go from here? Fundamentally we have a group who just don't get on and can't seem to be civil to each other. We have tried all kinds of tactics - warning messages, PMs, deleting posts, deleting threads, also trying to let things flow and sort itself out - and yet we're still in the same situation with threads being ruined due to this bickering. I have deliberately left handing out bans as a last resort but we're not far from that being what we have to do.

Ultimately it's up to the posters - if the usual suspects carry on as they do they will be forcing our hand. If they make a conscious effort to stop the baiting it will be recognised, and will make it even more obvious if the other side carries on in that regard.

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Post by TJ on Fri 03 May 2019, 9:39 am

My view? Its a very small amount of posters who are wrecking this forum and I am sure the mods know who they are. Just ban them.

Unless this is done the forum will simply wither and die as decent posters are driven away by their antics.

I have been on the wrong end of libellous acusations of racism from a couple of these guys and as a result I will hardly every post on here now.

The forum is at a tipping point and without action to ban the trolls it will die.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Fri 03 May 2019, 10:19 am

Thanks for the response RDW. Not able to access the DMs unless I log off and onto the web version. After checking I don't have anything but very fair point and appreciated.

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Post by Pie on Sat 04 May 2019, 3:37 am

someone expressing different opinion doesnt mean they're wumming

Unless its Tighthead Laugh

A-fooking-men to that Yahoo Yahoo

P.s. for people of the the Israel Folau persuasion when I refer to 'fooking men' I am not being literal and no intent to cause offense please dont send me to hell etc etc.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 04 May 2019, 5:56 pm

TJ all you do on this forum is moan. The last time you were here you threw a hissy fit and said you were leaving because you couldn’t get your own way; now here you are again having a whinge. It’s very strange behaviour.

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Post by RDW on Thu 09 May 2019, 11:17 am

Folks,

We've been having a lot of debate in the rugby modding section recently as things have certainly taken a downturn over the last few months, which has led to a few people leaving. Going forwards therefore I want to clarify the position we're going to take on any posts that don't follow the philosophy of "debate the post, don't attack the poster".

First strike - if we have to red pen or edit one of your posts
Second strike - final warning (public or PM)
Third strike - 3 day immediate ban. which if repeated will become 5 days, 7 days then permanent.

A few points of note on this:

- We're not going to apply these retrospectively as so many people are guilty. Take this as a clean slate and an opportunity to think about changes you can make to your own posting style.
- We are all volunteers and are not going to review every single post, an as such there is a chance we might miss things. As such we would appreciate your patience and help with this - if you spot someone posting aggressively or not adhering to site rules please report it. Conversely, remember that just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they should be reported - we don't want spammed with reports.

I hope this post has been taken in the spirit that it is intended - we don't actually want to ban people, and we don't want to be headmasters constantly telling people off. We're all here because we enjoy talking about rugby - if you are here to get into aggressive arguments and wind people up then you're not going to last much longer.

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Post by No 7&1/2 on Thu 09 May 2019, 1:19 pm

Like Folou you can't say we haven't been warned.

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Post by Cyril on Thu 09 May 2019, 8:55 pm

Is there any chance the PM and quote features can be added to the mobile version? I, am am sure many others, don’t use the web version as it’s pretty clunky. Do you have any sway with the forum providers?

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Post by RDW on Fri 10 May 2019, 8:33 am

I have looked in the past when people previously brought this up but didn't get anywhere - I'll have another dig and see if there is anyone I can contact about it.

Personally I don't like the mobile version - I like having the same format as the web page. It isn't too clunky for me but it might be different on other people's phones.

Given 90% of the posts on here are probably done while on the toilet at work I can see why people have issues with it!

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 10 May 2019, 10:04 am

Web version is a saviour - can't do nothing easy with the mobile version... like trying to make a handmade watch with polar explorer mittens on!

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Post by RiscaGame on Fri 10 May 2019, 10:11 am

I find the web version 100% easier on my iPhone (via google app).

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Post by tigertattie on Fri 10 May 2019, 10:11 am

RDW wrote:I have looked in the past when people previously brought this up but didn't get anywhere - I'll have another dig and see if there is anyone I can contact about it.

Personally I don't like the mobile version - I like having the same format as the web page. It isn't too clunky for me but it might be different on other people's phones.

Given 90% of the posts on here are probably done while on the toilet at work I can see why people have issues with it!

Thats why 90% of posts (mostly my own) are utter Sh............

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Post by BamBam on Fri 10 May 2019, 10:23 am

Yeah I always use the web version too, don't like the mobile view

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Post by LondonTiger on Fri 10 May 2019, 11:01 am

BamBam wrote:Yeah I always use the web version too, don't like the mobile view

Same. Use web version via Chrome mobile. Have to turn phone to landscape to be able to read things and keep it full width to the page, but the mobile version sucks.

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Post by SecretFly on Fri 10 May 2019, 11:32 am

.... em, pass the roll there....

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Post by TJ on Tue 21 May 2019, 2:21 pm

I made a probably unwise post on here that was moderated - probably correctly. I would however like to discuss this with the mods but my PM function appears to be turned off. Any of the mods / big gee want to discuss this with me?

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Post by RDW on Tue 21 May 2019, 2:22 pm

You should be able to reply to Biggee now TJ OK

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Post by RDW on Thu 23 May 2019, 8:48 am

There's been a few comments lately about too many threads being locked, however the reality is of the 30 threads that have been commented on in the last week only 2 are locked - the Folau thread (which well and truly had been done to death) and the Leo Cullen one which had similarly been done to death and closed at user request. This thread was locked while we tidied up a few things (and I forgot to unlock it!) - again just because you can't see things doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Compared to a few months ago the forum is in a much better place so thanks to everyone for (generally) taking on board our comments about positive posting, and thanks also to the mods who are doing a good job in what is a very difficult job to do!

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Post by Cyril on Thu 23 May 2019, 9:03 am

The forum seems worse if anything. Just NH vs SH excrement chucking. There’s no point commenting on most threads as it’s just ‘your country/hemisphere’ is shoite’ nonsense.

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