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Post by LondonTiger on Thu 31 Jan 2019, 1:22 pm

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Part 1 - http://www.606v2.com/t68214-6-nations-ireland-v-england-2nd-feb-2019

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Date: Saturday 2nd February 2019
Time: 16:45 GMT
Location: Dublin, Aviva Stadium
Media Coverage: ITV, TV3, BBC (highlights only), Radio 5Live


Officials


Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant 1: Romain Poite (France)
Assistant 2: Alexandre Ruiz (France)
TMO: Glenn Newman (New Zealand)



Teams

Ireland

15 Robbie Henshaw, 14 Keith Earls, 13 Garry Ringrose, 12 Bundee Aki, 11 Jacob Stockdale, 10 Johnny Sexton, 9 Conor Murray; 1 Cian Healy, 2 Rory Best, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 4 Devin Toner, 5 James Ryan, 6 Peter O'Mahony, 7 Josh van der Flier, 8 CJ Stander.

16 Sean Cronin, 17 Dave Kilcoyne, 18 Andrew Porter, 19 Quinn Roux, 20 Sean O'Brien, 21 John Cooney, 22 Joey Carbery, 23 Jordan Larmour


England

15 Elliot Daly (Wasps, 25 caps), 14 Jonny May (Leicester Tigers, 40 caps), 13 Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs, 17 caps), 12 Manu Tuiagi (Leicester Tigers, 27 caps), 11 Jack Nowell (Exeter Chiefs, 29 caps), 10 Owen Farrell (Saracens, 65 caps), 9 Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers, 80 caps); 1 Mako Vunipola (Saracens, 51 caps), 2 Jamie George (Saracens, 32 caps), 3 Kyle Sinckler (Harlequins, 17 caps), 4 Maro Itoje (Saracens, 26 caps), 5 George Kruis (Saracens, 27 caps), 6 Mark Wilson (Newcastle Falcons, 8 caps), 7 Tom Curry (Sale Sharks, 5 caps), 8 Billy Vunipola (Saracens, 36 caps).

16 Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs, 7 caps), 17 Ellis Genge (Leicester Tigers, 5 caps), 18 Harry Williams (Exeter Chiefs, 15 caps), 19 Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints, 68 caps), 20 Nathan Hughes (Wasps, 18 caps), 21 Dan Robson (Wasps, uncapped), 22 George Ford (Leicester Tigers, 51 caps), 23 Chris Ashton (Sale Sharks, 42 caps).


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Post by Exiledinborders on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:45 pm

Great game whoever wins. Both teams look to be in a different class to the two inept teams playing yesterday.

Can't wait for the second half (partly to avoid have to listen to BOD and SCW).

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Post by Goosestepper on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:45 pm

think its fairly balanced.... it's not like theres been heaps of penalties so not sure what the complaining is about...

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Post by Brendan on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:45 pm

No 7&1/2 wrote:Hey and it will swing at some point Brendan. Ireland will ge5 hold of it and it'll be immense pressure I'm sure. It's what you base your game on.

Not seeing it as an Irish Fan. Second best in the brains and struggling to make territory while England with a kick are making 30-40m.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:46 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Healy didn’t even ground it ffs

I was wondering about that too - looked like he was swinging the ball from side to side in the air about an inch off the ground so something must have been under it ...

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Post by TightHEAD on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:46 pm

England should be clear, Irish try was from a knock on and it was held up, Makos was a clear try.
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Post by El Radar on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:46 pm

When did Healy ground that?

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:47 pm

Good tension filled match but not a lot of quality. Nothing happening between the 22’s other than hit ups and chips through or kicks up, both sides waiting till they get near the line to have a go. England by far the more aggressive, Ireland perhaps being patient, might see them well given they kept that last five minutes to three points, where England should have scored. That might be telling.

Mako, Billy and Manu need to keep up with what theyre doing up the middle and Farrell needs to get more involved, a great pass for the try.

Ireland? Dont know what theyre trying to do. Sexton is just pushing it on as usual, Defence and limited possession seems all theyve got at the monent. Boring start for them. Not unexpected. They need to make things happen more and arent a team that will come back quickly.

Think we’re in for a grind.

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Post by TJ on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:48 pm

Heaf wrote:Rubbish decision for double movement - his knees were still off the ground when he shoved with his feet. Garces was determined to find a way to disallow it ...
Identical to Gilcrests disallowed on in the earlier game.  YOu are allowed to reach out and place the ball.  You are not allowed to propel you whole body forward once you are tackled.

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Post by LondonTiger on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:49 pm

BigGee wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Goosestepper wrote:Any concerns about 50/50 calls should be balanced with Itoje escaping a yellow card... He knew exactly what he was doing...

Maybe - but then if it had been may or a smaller guy it would have been 'fair contest'. And lets not mention Murray blocking May before that.

I thought Maro was a bit fortunate there as well, he completely took him out before the ball came!

The calls are going both ways!

They usually do go both ways. I am not impartial so feel the majority of marginal calls have gone in favour of the home team, which is common. England get them at Twickenham.

I thought there were 4 marginal decisions in the run up to Ireland's try:

Earls in touch
Shove on Mako before he touched the ball
No knock on thus no offside
Try scorer maybe held up

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Post by Goosestepper on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:49 pm

Earls doesn't look like he has a lot of confidence in Henshaw at 15... If we had Kearney on would England have scored those 2... maybe the first

Very clear that England is targeting that area .. possibly not the game to experiment!

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:49 pm

TightHEAD wrote:England should be clear, Irish try was from a knock on and it was held up, Makos was a clear try.

Nah, ‘clear’ is exactly what it wasnt. A poor view combined with a suspected double movement created the doubt. Had the view been clear we might have seen a continuous movement, so the doubt wins.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:49 pm

Garces will see them through ...

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:55 pm

May clearly held in - Garces get a grip ...

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:56 pm

Ah yes, of course May has every chance of rolling away at that ruck. Rolling Eyes

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:58 pm

Hilarious, another Irish pen. Glad May got his own back there

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 5:58 pm

30 diminant tackles to 7, story of the tape so far.

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:00 pm

LondonTiger wrote:
BigGee wrote:
lostinwales wrote:
Goosestepper wrote:Any concerns about 50/50 calls should be balanced with Itoje escaping a yellow card... He knew exactly what he was doing...

Maybe - but then if it had been may or a smaller guy it would have been 'fair contest'. And lets not mention Murray blocking May before that.

I thought Maro was a bit fortunate there as well, he completely took him out before the ball came!

The calls are going both ways!

They usually do go both ways. I am not impartial so feel the majority of marginal calls have gone in favour of the home team, which is common. England get them at Twickenham.

I thought there were 4 marginal decisions in the run up to Ireland's try:

Earls in touch
Shove on Mako before he touched the ball
No knock on thus no offside
Try scorer maybe held up

Exactly - one 50/50 maybe for a try - but 4?

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Post by majesticimperialman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:01 pm

Nice start to the game England 17 Ireland 10.

Both teams giving everything England scoring 2 tries to Ireland 1. Both side will be grateful for the break.

Looking forward to the second half.

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:02 pm

Everyone is fumbling the ball this weekend!

Great defensive read by Ireland though, a game turner? England could have got away there!

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:04 pm

Courtney Laws has put on a stone!

He was not exactly small before!

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:05 pm

Garces just does what the crowd want

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Post by formerly known as Sam on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:08 pm

EnglishReign wrote:Garces just does what the crowd want

That Garces lad has been fantastic for Ireland.

The Irish also doing a Welsh impersonation with the constant whining and arm waving. Needs to get clamped down on, too much creeping into rugby.

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:11 pm

Jones will be fuming at garces after this. Betcha. Yahoo

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:15 pm

That was a very un Farrellesque kick!

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:16 pm

Which England player knocked that on?!

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:18 pm

According to Garces, Manu - I'm not convinced ...

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:21 pm

That should be the game!

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:22 pm

Well if that is not a try there should be some sanction for the guy taking May out

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:23 pm

Wow, four three tries in Dublin for the English!

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:23 pm

Fair try. At the point of the kick, chaser was behind, marginally. With the mako disallow, you win some you lose some.

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Post by lostinwales on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:24 pm

What is great is that England have stopped the green machine eat up time possession and space like it normally does so well, and when it comes down to it the England backs look much more dangerous.


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Post by Goosestepper on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:24 pm

there you go try for you - chaser was fine but surely forward pass?

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Post by Heaf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:27 pm

Hands backwards - momentum carried it forwards

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Post by sensisball on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:30 pm

Ireland 12 points down - must be time to hook off Murray and his withered left arm? Clearly still suffering from the after effects of the neck injury,whatever it was. His passing is getting slower and slower as the second half unfolds.

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Post by The Oracle on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:33 pm

Who is that number 18 for England? He looks like a wrestler!!!
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Post by Duty281 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:34 pm

Get in. What a result. What a score. Yahoo

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Post by EnglishReign on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:34 pm

Try not to cry Sexton ya clown

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:34 pm

BP win in Dublin, Ouch, who saw that coming!

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Post by profitius on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:34 pm

That puts a more accurate score on the scoreboard.
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Post by Scottrf on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:35 pm

Destroyed the best team in the world away from home and we have no gameplan.

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Post by Goosestepper on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:35 pm

Good game plan, really well executed. Great performance from England, Ireland well and truly beaten

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Post by Taylorman on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:35 pm

lostinwales wrote:What is great is that England have stopped the green machine eat up time possession and space like it normally does so well, and when it comes down to it the England backs look much more dangerous.


Yep, Ireland now facing the scenario they dread, needing to score twice late, but with a gameplan that doesnt cater for it one bit. Ireland have had all the calls, England fumbled a lot and had one try disallowed.

Nothing creative from either side, just big hit pressure stuff, England making the most of it. Maybe a rusty start but Ireland look toast at the monent. England just had to wait for the V’s, and add a great hit up game from Manu et voila. England go to the top of the class. Easily the better side.

In matches like this, individuals need to stand up, and no one has, a possession based, defensive gameplan aint gonna do it. Thats will be Irelands problem world cup time, no plan b when behind in the knockouts will see them out.


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Post by Brendan on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:35 pm

Well done England, great game plan and get defence

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Post by alfie on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:36 pm

Glad I switched over from the cricket ...

Slade has had useful last twenty minutes Smile

Nice start to the Six Nations for England thumbsup

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Post by Duty281 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:37 pm

Tactical masterclass, best result of Jones' tenure. Confirms England as one of the top three in the world (not that there was much doubt about that), and makes them favourites for the Six Nations. Immense defensive display.

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Post by Eejit on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:38 pm

What a performance this is.

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Post by Brendan on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:38 pm

BigGee wrote:BP win in Dublin, Ouch, who saw that coming!

That's a big one for the championship

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Post by Collapse2005 on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:39 pm

Great stuff from England. Enjoyed the game. Tactics spot on.

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Post by mikey_dragon on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:39 pm

Interceptions are okay today then?

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Post by BigGee on Sat 02 Feb 2019, 6:39 pm

To little to late for Ireland I am afraid. Nothing in this game for you.

Well done England, I did not expect that.

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